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  Cook stoves
  Posted by: old_user on Jul-07-08 2:15 PM (EST)

What stove do you use when weight and size matters related to stove and fuel? I am not talking about the super expensive, super light backpacking high end. Right now all I own is propane and curious about what others are using for canoe camping.

Oh, and price also matters! ; )

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  Coleman single burner
  Posted by: jhb8426 on Jul-07-08 5:11 PM (EST)
I use the coleman single burner liquid fuel stove.
I burn coleman fuel.

now only available in the dual fuel model:
1 Burner Dual Fuel™ Stove
Model No. 533B705
  coleman double
  Posted by: old_user on May-05-10 5:27 PM (EST)
sure is nice to saute in my heavy pan while boiling potatoes. it never tips over either.
  Pop Can
  Posted by: bryanhansel on Jul-07-08 5:14 PM (EST)
Pop can stoves are light, cheap, and they work great. Plus you can make your own in about 30 minutes.
  Single burner canister
  Posted by: camprcrafter on Jul-07-08 5:25 PM (EST)
I use single burner canister. Can be cheap as the primus on this page up to over $100. Is that the type of propane you are using now?

  Been using a MSR WindPro for years..
  Posted by: gnomon on Jul-07-08 6:04 PM (EST)
and I am very pleased.
  The windscreen does matter
  Posted by: kayamedic on Jul-07-08 8:31 PM (EST)
-- Last Updated: Jul-07-08 8:36 PM EST --

The Windpro windscreen is lacking in good design however. Its too easy to crinkle it out of round and then it catches pots which can lead to nasty accidents with pots of boiing water tipping.

Those that do a couple of day outings may not quibble but for multiweek outings I made a much sturdier windscreen out of heavy aluminum flashing thats adjustable to pot diameter.

Last trip we were out for six days on one eight ounce canister of Brunton isobutane.

The WindPro is not bottom oversize pot especially one that is not serrated on the bottom can tip it over. Its definitely for smaller parties or the more minimal kitchen (not as minimalist as the pop can stove though!)

If you are talking these;

Ontario Parks banned them last year at campsites.

Too bad. I found that kind of stove useful. I could fly with the burner and pick up fuel easily at the destination.

  Posted by: jhb8426 on Jul-08-08 12:33 AM (EST)
"If you are talking these;"

Always found those to be rather tippy. The scout troop had them for a couple of years then abandoned them.
  Iso-butane stove (Canister Style)
  Posted by: Umnak on Jul-08-08 1:00 AM (EST)
We have been thinking ultralight for paddling for a while and have looked at a number of light -weight stoves. We use fire to cook on our 2 week plus trips here in Southeast Alaska, though we do bring a stove along for the quick cup of soup at lunch. Two stoves meet our needs and I think they will meet yours as well. Our winter stove is the MSR Superfly (4.7 oz) -- it can also be used on Camping Gaz canister and we have one of their small lanterns. The rest of the year its the Coleman Exponent F1 Ultralight Butane Stove. It weighs 3.7 oz and puts out an amazing 16000 BTUs at full throttle. The Coleman fits in my 700 Ml Mug on top of a 100g snowpeak canister and along side of a spork. That set-up is our cooking kit for hikes; total weight is under 10 oz. I bought the Coleman for $40 in Juneau, you could do better anywhere else.

  Snow Peak GS-100A
  Posted by: georgia_kayaker on Jul-08-08 1:58 AM (EST)
was my choice because it is small, compact, comes in a plastic case and has a built in ignitor.

It will fit in a shirt pocket.

Sorry I don't remember the cost.

Paddlin' on
  An addendum
  Posted by: kayamedic on Jul-08-08 8:15 AM (EST)
If you canoe trip in below freezing temps white gas will work better. The canisters freeze up.

I use a Coleman Peak One Exponent white gas stove (of course no longer made aargh) for cold weather. You can clean the tanks and fly with it.

You cannot fly with canisters and they are hard to find if your canoe travels take you to the backcountry.
  Posted by: old_user on Jul-08-08 8:16 AM (EST)
I have a msr pocket rocket. It was cheap under $50.00. Its super light, comes in its own plastic case, and boils water in a few minutes. I love this stove. I have 2, one for backup since my first one is about 6 years old.
  Coleman 442 dualfuel.
  Posted by: duggae on Jul-08-08 8:22 PM (EST)
But I only use Coleman fuel in it now. Unleaded gasoline was totally unreliable.

I also have a Jetboil and love it. Day trip soup for lunch and morning coffee before getting out of the sleeping bag is where it shines. Nothing like a hot lunch on a cold day, instead of sardines and cheese. The Jetboil is small, efficient and reliable. It's always in my daypack along with a bag of Ramens and some coffee.
  Great discussions; thanks!!
  Posted by: old_user on Jul-08-08 10:46 PM (EST)
I have borrowed or used many of the stoves listed here and liked them. Some are new to me. I am borrowing one of the pocket rocket stoves for my next trip to see if I like it. I used one for a day but only to boil water.

I also have checked out the pop can stoves, which really interest me because you can make them. Last Spring, I talked about having a 'pop can stove making' party but never did it! I should put that on my agenda for Fall.

I also am fascinated by this Jet Boil-first time I have seen it. It claims to heat water faster than my electric one at my desk at work. Does it really boil two cups of water in two minutes? I could definitely see using that a lot. It says it is a fuel miser as well. How many cups per fuel canister? How does wind affect it?

I appreciate all the comments and reviews. I really need to buy a stove & stop being the stove sponge. ; )

  ditto Jetboil
  Posted by: chodups on Aug-30-08 11:51 AM (EST)
Easy on fuel, works fast, stores easy. If boiling water is your means of cooking it's excellent.
  jetboil lover
  Posted by: old_user on Sep-05-08 8:55 AM (EST)
I have had my jetboil for three years now. I don't go anywhere without it (camping/hiking/kayaking). It will boil a liter in minutes. Super efficient equals less fuel. I have the coffee press addition, great. Coffee in minutes. Draw backs are, as repeated, doesn't simmer foods well (too hot). I will try the new jetboil cook pot this week.
  Jetboil is great stove!
  Posted by: old_user on Aug-11-08 10:54 PM (EST)
Especially if you're looking for boiling water. Not as useful for cooking up full meals, although some of their models are more suitable than the basic boiler. About $80.
  I like this little jetboil stove. Good
  Posted by: old_user on Aug-14-08 12:03 AM (EST)
birthday present request. I really liked the pocket rocket stove too. That is what I used & I am definitely buying it. So compact & very stable.
  Pocket Rocket
  Posted by: old_user on Oct-28-09 10:58 AM (EST)
Another vote for the pocket rocket. You can get one for $30 and the fuel is cheap, light and readily available.
Pair the pocket rocket with the GSI dualist ($55) and you have an extremely lightweight and small cooking solution - great for 2 people.
  Posted by: bikinjester on Jul-09-08 10:02 PM (EST)
-- Last Updated: Jul-09-08 10:03 PM EST --

I use a propane-isobutane Snowpeak Gigapower Micromax. It folds super compact, has only three prongs instead of four (makes the pots more stable), and heats up nicely. Plus, it fits inside any pot (or cup) you use! Since I don't camp in freezing temperatures, I don't have to worry about slow heat from cold fuel.

Edited to add: Cost was only $59.95 regular, but I got it for a bit over $40. It also comes with an ignitor standard.

  Posted by: old_user on Jul-09-08 10:42 PM (EST)
I got a whisperlite internationale and it is an absolute flaming pile. It's never worked well since the first lightly used year.
  on the other hand...
  Posted by: fishdoctor on Sep-27-09 7:49 PM (EST)
I have a Whisperlite Internationale and it has worked great with minimal maintenance and frequent use for at least 6 years. With a minimal tool kit you can field service it quite well.

Maybe yours is defective or there is a maintenance issue that will put it back in good working order.
  SVEA Trianga + denatures alcohol = $10
  Posted by: coffeeII on Jul-10-08 11:39 AM (EST)

I have one of the whole set up... Stove, wind deflector, pot & pan, and fuel bottle. Cost me $5 for the whole deal about 8 years ago & it has been excellent with only one function problem- I forgot the rubber seal on the stove rim when I lit it... 15 cents later it has run fine, since.

Paddle easy,

  SVEA Trianga... more info
  Posted by: coffeeII on Jul-10-08 12:20 PM (EST)

On the bottom of the "stove part" it is stamped SVEA. The ones I have run off of denatured alcohol ($1.35 per gallon, and lasts forever). Go back to & look up part # ZRW-170 Military 5 piece cook stove.

Paddle easy,

  Finally found the link...
  Posted by: coffeeII on Jul-10-08 12:37 PM (EST)
-- Last Updated: Jul-10-08 1:46 PM EST --

Although, when I bought mine it was 3 for $15...



Paddle easy,


  Svea stove & Mess Kit - SS vs Alum
  Posted by: jtmusiel on May-24-09 9:37 PM (EST)
This thread peaked my interest in the Svea/Trangia stove/kit a few months ago. I bought a kit with stainless steel pans. It was slow (2 cups boiled in 11 minutes). I then bought a kit with aluminum pans. It was much faster (2 cups boiled in 6 minutes). It also weighs about 1 pound less. My test boils were under roughly the same conditions. I recommend aluminum.
  Be aware
  Posted by: jefallon on Aug-12-08 5:11 PM (EST)
that the above from Sportsman's Guide looks like only the stoves and windscreens/pot supports but not the pots themselves. It may be difficult to fine pots that fit inside the supports. The stoves could be used with makeshift pot supports and whatever pots you have.
  cook stoves
  Posted by: old_user on Oct-06-08 3:12 PM (EST)
I've had a svea123 for almost forty years and it's going to outlast me. I added a pump to make it easier in to prime in cold weather but I could live without it. Simple, classic, & practical if you can live w/ a one-burner. I've seen them on ebay and you should check garage sales. My wife has an msr dragonfly which we take for backpacking: lighter, more hi-tec, more fuel options but I kinda miss the svea when I light it up.
  Love that SVEA roar too !
  Posted by: ezwater on May-23-09 11:00 PM (EST)
We have two 123s we bought around 1970. If they could have suppressed the V-1 rocket roar somehow, they would still be selling them.
  Posted by: old_user on Jul-10-08 1:10 PM (EST)
I use a Coleman Apex II as a primary stove because I love the fuel delivery system.
For day paddles I use a pop can alcohol stove exclusively. WARNING . . . making pop can stoves can become addictive!!!
  I use an ancient Coleman Peak I
  Posted by: guideboatguy on Jul-11-08 12:33 AM (EST)
The old Peak I is good enough for me. It really packs a punch at "full throttle" (better not even use the full-pwer setting unless the pot you are using is more than 14 inches in diameter or you'll get flames all up the sides), but it simmers better than most of the really expensive stoves I see other people using. The only reliablity issue I have had is age-related valve-seal leakage, which so far has been repairable simply by tightening the packings.

In general, I'm a fan of liquid-fuel stoves because you get more heat production, relative to the amount of weight and space of your fuel containers, than with propane or butane. Also, you always know exactly how much fuel you have, and there's never any need to bring along extra containers carrying questionable quantities of fuel. Just fill the stove's tank (and maybe a reserve tank) at the beginning of the trip and off you go. Finally, as already pointed out, liquid fuel is reliable in cold temperature, while propane/butane is not.
  the annoyance
  Posted by: kayamedic on Jul-11-08 1:08 AM (EST)
of having several mostly empty but not quite canisters in your garage...unless you want to take them all for your next week long trip.

Liquid fuel doesnt pose that dilemma.

Plus you can start a good fire with it if you need one for warmth. Carefully. Wont go into the details but when it has been raining for seven weeks straight, kindling needs a boost. (Northen Ontario is awash... thats north of Thunder Bay)
  Posted by: old_user on Jul-11-08 10:08 PM (EST)
If you want a light weight, small, relatively inexpensive ($39) cannister stove it is hard to beat the MSR pocket rocket. Weighs 4 ozs and can be stored is a small quart pot. Cannisters are a little problem becasue you always seem to have a half full one but if you punch a hole in them after they are empty they can be recycled.
  Solid Fuel:
  Posted by: old_user on Aug-12-08 3:20 PM (EST)

Liquid fuel:

MSR Pocket Rocket (Snowpeak is good but pricey).

Consider: Pepsi Can Stoves....(Free), uses denatured alcohol as fuel (HEET automotive fuel additive in the YELLOW bottle), or from a Hardware store/Walmart.

  yes I want to make my stove!!
  Posted by: old_user on Aug-14-08 12:04 AM (EST)
Stove party must be planned.
  Link to plans, templates and instruction
  Posted by: old_user on Aug-15-08 8:54 AM (EST)

Click on the Alcohol stove tab and check out the drop down menu.......
  made my own..
  Posted by: devilssoninlaw on Oct-31-09 6:24 AM (EST)
of many different designs on zen stoves. All burn alcohol and all work well. I like the cat food can the best! And it was the simplest!
  The cat stove is one of my
  Posted by: old_user on Aug-14-08 9:49 AM (EST)
  MSR Reactor?
  Posted by: redmond on Aug-14-08 1:49 PM (EST)
Anyone used one of these? Backpacker mag gave it a good review if I remember correctly.
  Posted by: chodups on Aug-29-09 12:29 PM (EST)
My buddy has a Reactor. I have a Jetboil.
I would give the nod to the Reactor when cooking for more than one as it is faster than my Jetboil with amounts over 2 cups. When cooking for one I prefer the Jetboils because, IMO, it packs smaller. If there is a "speed" difference up to 2 cups it doesn't matter to me. I go with the smaller size. More than one? Go with the Reactor.
We had both on a recent 3 week trip from Prince Rupert to Port Hardy. Dave and Greg used the MSR and I used the JB. Eventually we just used the MSR because we could boil one big load of water. If I was making a cup of coffee for myself I used the JB.
  Posted by: paddletothesea on Aug-15-08 5:41 PM (EST)
Well the two burner coleman stoves are always good and durable..they have been the standard for camping stove for a long time. its big and may not be good for kayaking but for canoing...
small version stove
coleman apex---good and lightweight and have a simmer mode which is nice. ive used both above stoves for a long time.
msr's whisperlight is good too.
  Thanks for the links
  Posted by: old_user on Aug-15-08 8:53 PM (EST)
-- Last Updated: Aug-15-08 8:54 PM EST --

I used the Pocket Rocket on my latest trip. One can of fuel lasted the whole trip practically (5.5 days). Gave out the last night. That was 3 people with light cooking, but boiling water every am & most pms. I thought that was pretty good!!

now I just have to find people who will come to a stove making party. Maybe beer will help boost the guest list.

  Long Drive....
  Posted by: old_user on Aug-16-08 7:54 PM (EST)
can we do the party by VTC?
  Posted by: old_user on Aug-17-08 11:51 AM (EST)
I will just have to mail everyone their beer in advance. : )
  Posted by: old_user on Aug-17-08 1:12 PM (EST)
I use a MSR XKG-EX. It's loud, doesn't simmer, not the lightest, doesn't pack as well as others, and cost around $130. However, it will burn anything you put in the tank, is the number one proven expedition stove worldwide, super fast boil times, and has never failed me. It's over kill for most trips but it's cool.Also, I'm not a canister guy, I prefer liquid fuel. I used a Peak 1 prior to this for 10 years.

  just got an MSR whisper light in Decembe
  Posted by: jonsprag1 on Sep-22-08 9:37 PM (EST)
-- Last Updated: Sep-22-08 9:44 PM EST --

and really like it.---the big advantage over propane and butane is you can light it at any temperature.

  Optimus Hiker
  Posted by: old_user on Aug-17-08 3:05 PM (EST)
has been my latest stove. I to am moving away from the canister fuels. Lately I have also been taking a Thremette to boil water using sticks and twigs, why burn expensive fuel to boil water? Another just tried option for the water is a Littlebug folding stove. It has the advantage over the Thremette by being easier to transport in the kayak. I use a pot I was already taking but now it has a black coat :)
  Lightweight Camp Stoves
  Posted by: Murph1 on Aug-18-08 1:49 PM (EST)
I have used just about every type of camp stove on the market over the 50+ years I have backpacked, climbed, river run, and XC Skiied. As an Outdoor Living Instructor I purchased many different types of stoves so students would get experience using different models and types of fuels. I have used propane, butane, white gas, alcohol, and regular gas models.
The best stove I have ever used for all around use at sea level to high altitude is the Optimus 8 R white gas stove. It has only one moving part. It is easy to prime and light. It boils a pint of water in under 3 minutes. It sits low in its windscreen and is indistructable. In forty years of using them I have never had a malfunction. Cost is $59.
  Posted by: coffeeII on Aug-18-08 9:22 PM (EST)
Paddle easy,

  Posted by: old_user on Aug-19-08 12:27 PM (EST)
Where might one find an 8R for $59? I've never been able to find one except on auction, sold as "vintage" for ridiculous prices.

BTW, I swear by the Coleman designs. I have a Feather 400 (among others) that works like a charm. There's no complicated priming procedure to follow and I get a blue flame in under 30 seconds, max. For those really cold days, a bit of bark set alight under the generator, a blob of fire paste or a squirt of antibacterial hand gel (you should have it with you anyway, it's mostly alcohol) pre-heats it enough to light in the coldest weather. As for the MSR folks who exclaim, "but you can't field strip it", that's a load of crap. I can disassemble every piece of Coleman equipment I own with the Multi-tool I never leave home without. No tiny parts to lose. Just pack a spare generator and put a few drops of oil in the pump once a year. The real testament is though, that I've *never had to* field strip an "all in one" Coleman stove, so long as it was operated per the directions. Will my Feather 400 pack down to the size of a thimble and burn everything from ether to road tar and in between? No, but for canoe camping, it's not an issue. A few pints of Coleman fuel will last quite a while.

  Optimus 8 R white gas stove
  Posted by: old_user on Aug-20-08 12:41 PM (EST)
How funny, I'd like to find one to display...
  Here yer go...
  Posted by: FatElmo on Sep-17-08 8:14 AM (EST)
My coolektion...

  new optimus 8r
  Posted by: old_user on Oct-14-09 9:45 PM (EST)
hey, i had an optimus 8r just like your old one... a "friend" took it when the moved out... now i want a new one... i get outbid on the old ones all the time on ebay i give up! i have heard bad things about the new models... i am now leaning towards the 123 instead what do u think about the new 8r u have?
  8r is new(ish)
  Posted by: siriushf on Oct-20-09 5:16 AM (EST)
I have a "no 8" (without built in cleaning needle). I tend to think of the 8r as being new. ;-)
  There are
  Posted by: old_user on Aug-24-08 4:57 PM (EST)
Russian copies out there for under $50, hard to tell from the real thing.
  Jetboil PCS. All I need
  Posted by: duggae on Aug-30-08 12:51 AM (EST)
Small , efficient, cooks the type of food I eat and makes great coffee.
  but what if
  Posted by: old_user on Sep-30-08 5:48 PM (EST)
you don't want to eat something froma foil pack that you just add hot water to?
I like my enchiladas, steaks, eggs, bacon etc.
  Found a vid....
  Posted by: coffeeII on Sep-05-08 10:09 AM (EST)

Paddle easy,

  Primus Multifuel
  Posted by: old_user on Sep-06-08 12:29 AM (EST)
I just picked up a used Primus Multifuel (Himalaya) stove. It has a metal pump unlike MSR's, will burn White gas, Coleman fuel, kerosene *and* butane cannisters. I've tried it with the butane and white gas and it works great. It's a real rocket, but can simmer with a little fiddling on white gas and perfectly with butane.

Sierra Trading Post has these new from time to time for $70 bucks and has 'em "like new" for around $30 now and then.

  I like my zip ztove
  Posted by: old_user on Sep-08-08 9:21 PM (EST)
I dont have to worry about packing fuel and it spilling all over my gear. Cleanup may take a little more elbow grease
  Jet-Boil fuel use
  Posted by: Mattt on Sep-09-08 8:59 AM (EST)
Mystical asked ...

"I also am fascinated by this Jet Boil-first time I have seen it. It claims to heat water faster than my electric one at my desk at work. Does it really boil two cups of water in two minutes? I could definitely see using that a lot. It says it is a fuel miser as well. How many cups per fuel canister? How does wind affect it?"

On solo canoe trips, I have been getting 6 days of use from one 100 gram cannister. That is boiling 3 cups of so of water in the morning, and 4 to 5 cups for dinner.

For two people, I have used the 220 ? gram large size cannister, and get about the same usage, but just a bit less - I don't use the Jet-boil pot with the large cannister, just use a regular one qt pot on top of the por support they sell. Not as efficient as the heat-exchanger cup that comes with the stove, and more wind sensitive, so not as fuel efficient that way.

I actually jsut got back from a hunting trip, packing in to 11,000 feet. Elevation does not seem to affect the performance much, if at all. Camped a few days at 11k, and a few at 8k. For cold weather, its a good idea to keep the canister in your sleeping bag with you, so it starts out warm - I haven't had to do that yet.

I don't let the stove run on idle, rather I shut it off after the water comes to a boil.

So far, it has worked fine at temps about freezing (some frost) - haven't tried it yet in colder weather.

I also have two Peak 1 white gas stoves, and like them as well as hte Jetboil, but they are heavier and bulkier to pack for backpacking.
  Kelly Kettle?
  Posted by: old_user on Sep-09-08 5:17 PM (EST)
Sorry I'm late to the party. I find it curious that no one has mentioned a kelly kettle. Apparently, this European marvel has not made much of an impact in the states. I read about them in an article and think that I need to give one a try. Looks fantastic. No waiting for coffee!!! Any thoughts... yes they really do burn real wood

  Yes, I agree!!
  Posted by: coffeeII on Sep-09-08 6:43 PM (EST)
I have been looking into these aswell. You can get a perforated ring for the burner, so that you can cook over it too.

I for one, though, have a SVEA Trianga that works well with fuel, but I can also use wood if I turn the windscreen over. I also have a canteen cup cooker that can be used with twigs & sticks aswell. So both of my cooking elements are "multi-fuel". With what I have, I can cook oatmeal, sausage & brew coffee at he same time with a unit that fits in a 6x8x4 container.

Paddle easy,

  Posted by: PJC on May-05-10 5:39 PM (EST)
You two are kindred spirits here...
I have a Kelly and love it. They're pretty expensive but well made and worth it. They boil water very fast. The pan mount over the chimney cooks almost too fast. Be careful.

I'd recommend getting some fire starter sticks and cutting them into thirds then cutting the thirds into quarters lengthwise. Really speeds up the lighting process. (The burn pan doesn't get a lot of draft going until the fire gets hot.) Stick matches work better than lighters with Kellys.
The Kelly Kettles are a bit large, but ziplocs of coffee, oatmeal, etc. can be stored inside so there can be some space savings there. And you save the space you would have used to carry fuel.

Otherwise I like Triangas. That's what I usually use, but I don't really cook a lot. Boil water, sometimes fry an egg, heat a can of beans or Dinty. No steaks, seafood, stir-fry, etc. Folks who want to do full meals might not be that happy with either a Kelly or a Trianga.
  Jet Boil - Dualist for Couples
  Posted by: old_user on Sep-10-08 4:15 PM (EST)
My husband and I use either the Jetboil or Dualist. We carried the Dualist on our AT backpacking trip in July and enjoyed this self contained cooking system for two.

The Jet Boil is the way to go.

We make the following meals:

Flavored Couscous
Tyson's Premium Chunk White Chicken (found in the section where they sell the foil packs of Tuna)

Cheesy Pasta Chicken
We use the Pasta packs from Walmart where you just add water. Takes 8 minutes to cook. We take powdered milk and add this to our water. We like the Cheese & Pasta and then add teh Tyson's Premium Chunk White Chicken.

Great stuff for kayak camping or backpacking!
  Back up !!!!!
  Posted by: bill68 on Sep-11-08 1:08 AM (EST)
My first trip to the BWCAW and .... Suprise my trusty 10 yr. old perfect condition stove takes a big steamy &$#* !!!!!. Always carry a back up . I like the MSR Pocket Rocket for this. I have a Super Fly as a main stove because I like the more spread out flame .
  Back Up - Neufeld MK I..
  Posted by: chodups on Sep-11-08 8:46 PM (EST)
This is what I back up my Jetboil with.
Look at the pack size.
Weighs nothing and takes up no space. Fuel is twigs.

  propane stoves in Ont Parks
  Posted by: old_user on Sep-20-08 11:21 AM (EST)
Kayakmedic stated propane stoves are banned in Ont parks. I'm looking for clarification on this.
I was camping this summer and saw dozens of these being used. The only thing I can find is that they are discouraging use of disposable cylinders as disposal costs $2.50 (can)per cylinder
  ontario ban
  Posted by: paddlesheep on Sep-20-08 2:46 PM (EST)
I think you're not allowed to dispose of them in the park. But you can still use them.
  Posted by: paddletothesea on Sep-20-08 11:59 PM (EST)
There really isnt any "high end pricy backpack stoves" they are all fairly cheap.

I use a Coleman Apex and burn white gas. I have about 350 hours of use. Its lightweight and has a simmer mode which it great.

i have a MSR whisper lite as a backup which i have not had to use.

i always bring two stoves when i travel. Why not, they only weigh as much as a greatfruit and about the same size too.
  Speaking of back-up
  Posted by: Jsaults on Sep-24-08 3:29 PM (EST)

Anyone tried this? I have always been fascinated by them.

  zip stove
  Posted by: old_user on Aug-25-09 10:00 PM (EST)
I have used one for several years, for paddling and backpacking, it does need a AA battery. This thing will fire up like a blow torch, the fan is 2 speed. They say you can even burn cow manure (I don't think I would ) it never fails and there is no fuel to carry as sticks etc are always available. I use a trioxaine tab. to start the fire.
  It is great
  Posted by: old_user on May-13-10 11:52 AM (EST)
To k ow so
wine else uses a Zip Ztove.
  small camping stoves
  Posted by: old_user on Oct-03-08 10:50 PM (EST)
I've also had to downsize my stove when I had to switch from canoe camping to solo kayak camping. I didn't want to spend a $100 on a mountaineering stove and I definitely didn't want anything to do with white gasoline in the confined spaces of a kayak. I went with a little Clickstand alcohol stove and now I prefer it over my old 2 burner Coleman propane stove even when camping out of my van. The key with alcohol stoves is that you must use a good windscreen to concentrate the heat whether or not it is windy. Some posts report that alcohol stoves are slower to boil, but I have not found that to be the case when I use a windscreen. My favorite is a Clikstand S2 with the windscreen combined with a Trangia burner. I can bring a quart of water to a boil in about 5 minutes if I use the windscreen. I use the yellow HEET plastic bottles like a previous post recommended. You can get HEET now with replaceable screw on caps. The yellow bottles are very cheap and their long snouts make it easy to pour the alcohol. I also recommend a folding candle lighter since you can light the stove without getting your hands near it. Here are some links:
  Alcohol stoves . . .
  Posted by: old_user on Oct-04-08 7:18 PM (EST)
I have been using alcohol stoves a little since they started giving me a hard time carrying my little Coleman Peak 1 on Space A and commercial airline fligts. So silly shit about gasoline or some such.

I put my Heet in an Everclear bottle. Drinkin' alcohol is legal.

I have made some that work O.K. Pennystove, etc. I bought one that really works well, White Box stove. Doesn't need a pot stand as the pot sits on the stove. Fastest alcohol stove I have used. Cost about twenty bucks.
  I don't need no stinkin' stoves...
  Posted by: old_user on Oct-08-08 2:41 PM (EST)
Even under the wettest conditions I can have a cooking fire ready in 10 - 15 minutes. If you know where to look for dry tender and carry some lighter knot pieces with you you don't have to spend any money on a high-tech, tin-thin, breakable gadget masquerading as stoves these days.
Whatever happened to the cooking fire? I can understand if you're in a no-fire area, however in a canoe (such as the tandem barge I paddle) can shovel a mound of wet sand amidship (about 6" - 8" deep x 18" on centerline x 24" at the beam) when leveled out), place an 18"x24" steel grate on the sand and make a small cooking fire on the grate in the canoe (of course you're tucked away in a small harbor, inlet, or creek when you do this)add a small, self-standing grill with the legs in the sand and you're good to go!
Why is it people feel they must buy every new trinket on the market just to have break-down or quit on you when you need it most? In the meanwhile they've lost the skills they had (if they had them at all, letting technology replace those badly-needed skills) by relying on a 'toy' and if it happens in a wilderness area or an emergency situation, you're screwed!
Okay all you gizmo-lovers, take your pot-shots at me but deep down inside you know I'm right.
  I agree! But...
  Posted by: coffeeII on Oct-09-08 1:59 PM (EST)
I use my SVEA Trianga... No pumping or noise or other BS. It is all contained in it's own cookset & windscreen. It cost me $5 & has been COMPLETELY faithful since day one! No "rebuild" shit kits, no priming, etc...

What I don't get is the big deal over faster & hotter stoves. If you have any skills & gratitude for the outdoors, you know that anything cooked slow & outdoors tastes better than at home! Or just the same fact that anyhting cooked over an open fire tastes better.

Just something for people to blow their paychecks on I guess...

Paddle easy,

  Dutch Oven
  Posted by: old_user on May-05-09 4:46 PM (EST)
Does nobody on here use Dutch Ovens?? You can cook anything in them...boil water for drinking...throw a trout in there..or anything. Flip the lid over and us it to fry your eggs on. They really arent that heavy, and you can pack a few cloths and small bottle of oil plus a scrubber inside it. I have a few Lodge ovens I'll never be without! Just be sure to wrap it in a sack, and tie it off to your thwart. If you tip over it's headed straight to the bottom in a hurry if ya dont!
  If you don't use it . . .
  Posted by: old_user on May-05-09 8:12 PM (EST)
. . . for cookin' you can always use it to anchor.
  SVEA Triangas are good
  Posted by: bowrudder on Dec-27-10 11:30 PM (EST)
If you like carting around a metal box, and need bells and whistles. I prefer a basic pop can stove. Add alcohol, get heat. Zero moving parts.
  The SVEA Trianga is a "pop can" stove...
  Posted by: CoffeeII on Dec-31-10 10:51 AM (EST)
Basically. Add Denatured Alcohol, light, cook. The only bells & whistles are if you get the Swedish cookset with it. Then you get a pot, pan/cup & windscreen.

Paddle easy,

  Don't think so ..quite
  Posted by: kayamedic on Jan-01-11 4:41 PM (EST)
I got a Trianga a couple of weeks ago. It actually has a lid that you can use to adjust the flame. I suspect it works by limiting the oxygen available.

The pop can stoves I have seen dont have that little adjustment. I admit that the adjuster is far from sophisticated and to get it to work just so kind of fiddly.

I used my Trianga in a Littlbug stove which I suspect will be my main canoe camping stove from now on. It burns wood and as its designed to fit over a Trianga, alcohol too in wet weather.
  Ahhhhhh... I see now, you actually have
  Posted by: CoffeeII on Jan-02-11 10:43 AM (EST)
The SVEA Trianga Spirit stove... There is the difference. Mine is the Military model, it does not have the "simmer ring" that you describe.

I am even having a hard time getting the replacement "O-rings" due to the size difference between the Mil & the Spirit. The simmer ring you have is too big for the model I have- It would work, but would not snap on the stove.

now the fog is

Paddle easy,

  Posted by: old_user on May-15-09 9:09 AM (EST)
I have almost used every type of stove, and there is no perfect stove for every situation. I am an advocate of white gas stoves for the most part, however I do have a couple Iso Butane stoves that I can throw in a day pack for a quick cup of tea. (I don't use them much since it is hard to find recyclers for the the cannisters and you can't bake on them.) I think the Whisperlite (MSR) is a great little stove for the money.

If you are going really lightwieght then the "soda can" alcohol stoves are good and cheap, but they are not good for larger groups or fancy meals...mainly just boiling water. I used one on for three months on the Appalachian Trail and it served me well, but for gourmet meals in the backcountry, I prefer two stoves. The Simmerlite and Dragonfly, both by MSR. I can bake on either of them but the Simmerlite works a bit better with the Outback Oven, and both have great flame control. They are light and powerful.

Hope it helps...a bit.
  Posted by: old_user on Jul-12-10 5:33 PM (EST)
heares my cotribution towards 100...

Soak a Depends in Denatured alcohol...shove it into a coffee can...instant cook stove!
  GSI Pots and Markill
  Posted by: old_user on Aug-25-09 5:59 PM (EST)
The jet boil is nice, but a good alternative is a GSI 1.25 liter boiler pot with a "hotshot markill" stove. The standard cannisters of fuel fit inside them. If I have the small cannister, I can put the Markill stove under the cannister, If I use a large cannister, I put the stove in the top of the mesh bag that the GIS pot goes into along with a fork and spoon along the side.
  Posted by: old_user on Aug-29-09 1:04 PM (EST)
I have used every stove.The best way to go is coleman expontent.It is easy to get parts.Go on eBay and pick up an old coleman aluminum case to go with this stove.It will fit inside the older case and can be used as a pot and fry pan.
  some kind of MSR
  Posted by: old_user on Aug-29-09 8:22 PM (EST)
I use a MSR but can't remember the name of it. It is a multi-fuel stove. I can get gasoline or kerosene anywhere, but can't necessarily find a propane cylinder anywhere. If you plan on being in remote areas make it a multifuel stove. And then there is always the old standby - fire. More fun than a stove where it is allowed.
  Posted by: redrocket on Sep-26-09 2:20 PM (EST)
MSR pocket rocket is all you ever need ive had a crapload of stoves and that one is by FAR the best!
  MSR Dragonfly
  Posted by: waterbird on Sep-27-09 3:13 PM (EST)
for backpacking, because it's relatively light (not the lightest) and one of the few light stoves that will simmer. Got it on Craigslist for just $50.

For kayak camping I have a Coleman 533 but it seems too big and heavy. I'd like to trade it in for the Coleman Feather 422. I had a Coleman one-burner stove for many years and found it to be reliable. These are very simple 2-step stoves: pump and light. No preheating necessary. Don't even have to carry a fuel bottle for a weekend trip. Important: don't use old fuel in these stoves; you won't get a blue flame.

For car camping I have a 2-burner Coleman propane stove, quite light, works beautifully. I love it.
  just bought
  Posted by: point65kayakguy on Sep-27-09 5:13 PM (EST)
a MSR whisperlight and I love it.Prior to my MSR I was using a one burner propane stove.Took up a lot of room...not to mention having to pack empty canisters out of the bush as well.

  generally carry two
  Posted by: jonathan on Sep-29-09 9:38 PM (EST)
MSR Pocket Rocket: Pros- small, light, fast, efficient, inexpensive. Cons- tippy with larger pots, fuel canisters don't work well in cooler weather (Sleep with it), difficult to simmer.

Pop can alcohol: Pros- small, light, inexpensive (free), simmers, cheap fuel. Cons- not real fast, tippy, can't turn it off (ya gotta let it burn out).
  Trail Designs
  Posted by: old_user on Oct-01-09 4:43 PM (EST)
I have used lots of stoves in 45 years of backpacking and mountaineering, and they all work. Jet Boils are great if you just want to boil water. Gas stoves are best for melting snow and cooking for large groups. The MSR Dragonfly is a gas stove that simmers, but its as loud as a jet engine. Its my go-to stove for winter camping.

An MSR pocket rocket is fine, but not for sauteeing veggies or frying fish, which sucks down the fuel. A Snow Peak stove is a bit nicer than the MSR pocket rocket. Any canister stove leaves you with half empty canisters, so you end up carrying 2 half empties so you can finish them off, and a full one as a spare. Plus they don't work well in cold weather.

Lately I have had great results with a Trail Designs stove and windscreen, coupled with an Evernew cookset. Its called the Caldera ( I used one on an 8 day backpack this summer which was the TiTri (titanium, three fuel options). It can use the alcohol stove, esbit tablets, or wood. My Evernew 1.9 L cookset has a fry pan lid that is non-stick, so its great for frying a bagel in oil, a fish or two, and veggies. This has proved to very light and reliable, and not too expensive.
  Just got back
  Posted by: DanielJ on Oct-15-09 4:07 PM (EST)
-- Last Updated: Oct-15-09 4:08 PM EST --

from 5 days in Michigan's UP in the Sylvania Wilderness Area. My Pocket Rocket worked well without any hitches. Other than the cannisters I love this thing. I picked it up a year ago for around $40.00, but I'm not real sure about that price. Anyways, glad I had it in the cold damp windy weather.

  I think we might have run into you
  Posted by: Beaverjack on Oct-19-09 9:37 PM (EST)
-- Last Updated: Oct-22-09 1:21 PM EST --

at Sylvania. Were you the solo guy in the Encounter?

I bring an 8" dutch oven with me. The lid is a great frying pan, and I can cook biscuits if I have a fire. Biscuits are a staple for me. I don't like aluminum, particularly the coated kind. My favorite LW cookware is titanium. I particularly like the Vargo 750 Titanium Sierra Cup with lid. The lid has strainer holes, and the thing is a super-sized sierra style cup that makes a good cook pot.

  Posted by: old_user on Jan-06-10 9:23 PM (EST)
I use a Crux Optimus, which is pretty much awesome. it's a propane/butane stove, but then it's the lightweight, high-end one you sound like you're looking to avoid. about $60.

I'm a fan of homemade gear. check out tin can or pepsi-can stoves. they're very easy to make, amazingly lightweight, and work on denatured alcohol or basically any liquid that burns (like Heet). it's low heat, though, so they take a bit to boil much water.

for propane/butane, the MSR PocketRocket is probably the best-selling stove on the market and works great. about $35.

the larger-size propane/butane canisters will get you about 10 days (per person) if you cook once/day.
  Whisper Lite
  Posted by: Dale85 on Jan-11-10 5:41 PM (EST)
I use a MSR whisper lite when i'm trying to carry small amounts of gear. I've cooked just about everything on it, including frying bacon. Although I havn't figured out why they call it a whisper lite because it sounds like a 747 taking off...haha. Its a good peice of gear though. The fuel last a considerable amount of time. I used it twice a day for a week in Lake Fontana NC and only used half of the large bottle. It was light weight and easy to maintain. A soda can and alcohol is a great back up!

I hope this was helpfull.
  SVEA 123. I own two of them. Noisy,
  Posted by: ezwater on Mar-14-10 5:10 PM (EST)
but simple and effective.
  Posted by: HYBES on Mar-17-10 7:42 AM (EST)
I use a MSR Dragonfly and a Coleman single and 2 burner propane.The MSR is good for lightweight outings and space issues.The propanes work great and dont get the credit they deserve,there cheap and reliable.
  Posted by: jtmusiel on May-05-10 4:44 PM (EST)
I came across this little gem on another site:

Concept is a woodgas stove with a fan like the zip stove, except it uses a "Thermo-Electric Generator" to power the fan from the lost heat, so no batteries.
  Primus Yellowstone
  Posted by: old_user on May-05-10 9:58 PM (EST)
Hands down for price, size, weight + durability. I have a review here:
  I've got a collection of stoves
  Posted by: sweeper on May-18-10 2:54 AM (EST)
First of all a GREAT site for those of you who love camp stoves here a link for you.

I used my MSRs, an old Colman Military stove, Triple burner on propane, esbit..., but I've always loved the Coleman 502s. I bought a bunch of them off the 'bay' and now have 9 of them, just bought 6 in the last month. I plan on a mass firing on wed to see which of them work. All will, but I'm sure I've got a couple gen tubes to buy.
  Posted by: oldtownpaddler on Jun-23-10 9:35 AM (EST)
i would by a single burner coleman stove maybe evan a double burner any coleman product works
  I can't believe......
  Posted by: chodups on Jun-28-10 10:06 PM (EST)
....that this post has been out there as long as it has yet hasn't hit 100 replies.
All we need are two more bumps.
  Posted by: Skerray on Jul-09-10 6:25 PM (EST)
Whisper Lite International or for longer trips the Dragonfly. Easy, reliable and flex on the fuels.
  alcohol stoves
  Posted by: Lyngo on Jul-17-10 7:41 AM (EST)
I just took my first trip with an alcohol stove and loved it. I've used a MSR Whisperlight, Simmerlight, and a Brunton Optimus (and still own various parts of each, thanks to breakage and TSA). These will all be sold or given away, along with several red fuel containers. If it takes 2-3 minutes longer to get water to boil, so be it, I'm out camping and have the time.

I loved the silence of the stove, the ease of finding fuel, the fact that if the fuel, if spilled, simply evaporates and leaves no odor/fumes.

There are downsides: simmering is hard to achieve (but I never had much luck simmering even with the Simmerlite) and we were in a place that cut the alcohol with a detergent, I think to keep people from drinking it, leaving only 93% alcohol, so it left soot on the pots. But with the Whisperlite, I'd have been forced to use petrol or kerosene, and these fuels burn very sooty, too. I'm sold and can't imagine going back to a petrol stove.

  Another advantage for alcohol . . .
  Posted by: old_user on Jul-18-10 9:38 PM (EST)
. . . stoves is you can put your fuel in a Everclear bottle and carry it in you checked baggage.
  Posted by: CoffeeII on Jan-24-11 12:28 PM (EST)
denatured alcohol. Afew bucks for a gallon & it will last you afew years. Not sooty either.

Paddle easy,

  denatured alcohol unavailable
  Posted by: kayamedic on Jan-24-11 1:00 PM (EST)
in don't plan on finding any.

They use something else...what I forget.
  Posted by: gnatcatcher on Jan-24-11 2:07 PM (EST)
Gas line antifreeze. Can you get that in Canada?

  Methyl Hydrate
  Posted by: paddlesheep on Feb-01-11 11:45 PM (EST)
$8 for four litres at Cdn Tire.
  MSR Pocket Rocket
  Posted by: Reefmonkey on Jan-24-11 12:05 PM (EST)
Cheap, reliable, compact, simple to use. Can't beat it. Only drawbacks - not good for altitude (not a problem for canoe camping) or winter camping.
  Pocket rocket at altitude
  Posted by: old_user on Jan-25-11 1:36 PM (EST)
..use a small cup, light the stove after warming the canister inside your shirt (I keep mine in the foot of my sleeping bag overnight...)warm a few ounces of water and pour that water over the canister, and the stove will take off....using a windscreen at altitude or on subfreezing days will greatly improve the stoves performance.
  Volcano stove
  Posted by: rblturtle on Feb-25-11 6:04 AM (EST)
When going lite I use a mil surplus volcano stove. it was meant to burn fuel tabs,but I burn twigs and pinecones. I don't use the canteen part,just the cup. The cost only 10-15$ and is real lite. It's only good to boil water,but thats all I do. You nees to move the cup higher to burn wood in it.


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