I recall one trip many years ago when we did not carry a stove or fuel. Lightened the load a lot. Thinking about doing it again. Something about centering your life around the fire is very appealing.
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Posted by: sweeper on Dec-12-13 7:50 PM (EST)
And rarely just one.
Posted by: jhb8426 on Dec-13-13 1:38 AM (EST)
Relying on firewood availability or the ability to have a fire is not a good thing, particularly in in the dry season when burning restrictions are common. Usually carry at least a 1 burner, sometimes 2 or also a 2 burner.
Posted by: kayamedic on Dec-13-13 10:34 AM (EST)
Just dreaming a bit. |
Posted by: rpg51 on Dec-13-13 9:56 PM (EST)
Fire alone is fine|
Posted by: kayamedic on Dec-14-13 9:53 AM (EST)
but in most (not all ) areas in Maine remember that you need a fire permit available from the local game warden.
yep need your fire permits in me|
Posted by: tdaniel on Dec-14-13 7:36 PM (EST)
Not by choice|
Posted by: randy_morgart on Dec-15-13 10:08 AM (EST)
But I had my stove break on the first night of a five day solo in Flaming Gorge. There's not a lot of wood up there but I found enough scraps in the fire pits to cook dinner every night. My backup was an MRE with a heater and I never had to use it.
Twelve nights in Quetico in '73. We took|
Posted by: ezwater on Dec-17-13 12:18 AM (EST)
a SVEA stove and maybe a pint of fuel in case we might get to a campsite in heavy rain and be unable to get a fire going.
Posted by: booztalkin on Dec-18-13 12:18 PM (EST)
One, we somehow ended up on the river with no stove, for ten days. All the food we had needed to be cooked. For example, we had Bisquick for breakfasts. You gotta cook. So that meant no fire, no food. One night a torrential downpour turned into snow and left about four inches of wet snow on the ground. Everything was wet and it took us until noon to get a decent fire going. I so wished we had a stove. And, it's a lot of work to make fires every day, twice a day. Often, You have better things to do with your time than hunt for and process wood for fires.
how much weight saved?|
Posted by: sapien on Dec-19-13 11:49 PM (EST)
my solo cook kit that I take on backpacking or kayaking trips weighs a little over 2 lbs including fuel that lasts a week and a backup stove.
Well, the idea |
Posted by: rpg51 on Dec-23-13 6:58 AM (EST)
is to learn the lessons needed to cope without it - even on a rainy trip. It can be very rewarding and what a sense of freedom it offers - not to mention warmth. Some think it adds to the adventure. Not many here obviously!
Posted by: Varmintmist on Apr-15-14 1:36 PM (EST)
.. learning to make decent meals over a pocket rocket with bags of dehydrated food is a challenge in itself. It also teaches preperation and planning by packing the meals and conserving fuel. Since most often I am camping with scouts it is a lot eaiser on everyone if they canoe like they backpack.
I'm a survival skills buff|
Posted by: Reefmonkey on Feb-16-15 11:14 AM (EST)
and I have learned and practiced many different survival skills, including bow drill, finding water sources in unlikely places, and even improvising wound dressings from natural materials, but I always go on the trip with adequate gear to fall back on. Going on a trip unprepared is not adventurous, it's just stupid.
Love campfire cooking|
Posted by: RobW on Dec-23-13 9:20 AM (EST)
We do most of our cooking over the campfire, but always take a stove along too. In the spring it's part of the safety plan as getting a hot drink into someone quickly is a good way to restore body warmth should someone dump. In the summer it is insurance against a fire ban.
Posted by: Umnak on Jan-02-14 8:37 PM (EST)
On long kayaking trips in Southeast Alaska we take a canister and an ultrlight stove in case we need to warm someone up while the fire is starting. We've never had to use the canister stove. We use fire for all of our meals and tea. The same for backpacking.
stove or fire|
Posted by: ppine on Jan-06-14 2:34 PM (EST)
The longer the trip the more you need multiple systems. Stoves are handy for quick stops, wet weather, places with little fuel, and fire danger.
How bout a wood stove|
Posted by: jonnyboy on Apr-02-14 9:34 PM (EST)
On pretty much every trip kayak or backpacking I take either my pocket rocket or Esbit and also my Emberlite wood stove. I tend to use my Emberlite more than the others and bring minimal fuel to save weight or space and use them as a backup. Part of the fun of the trip is the hunt for firewood.
Always carry one|
Posted by: QCHiker on Apr-20-14 7:06 PM (EST)
I always carry one. They don't weigh that much so why not. Plus you can't always find firewood and I hate to take it with.
Some have canoe in stove. Some |
Posted by: ezwater on Apr-27-14 12:11 PM (EST)
have stove-in canoe.
Posted by: Varmintmist on Apr-29-14 2:52 PM (EST)
have a stove in a stove in canoe.
One thing about W&C canoes is, they'll |
Posted by: ezwater on Apr-29-14 5:34 PM (EST)
burn in a stove, leaving very little residue. Not like those nasty composite boats that leave fiberglass shards to get in your lungs when you haul the ashes.
And Com kayaks do smell|
Posted by: sweeper on Apr-30-14 8:29 AM (EST)
when they burned, my neighbor lost 2 yesterday to his brush burning.
Posted by: Dmax on May-29-14 2:33 PM (EST)
When I'm with my wife I will sometimes take an alcohol stove. But when I'm by myself I'm stove less. When on the water or backpacking, I prefer this method. And while paddling or walking all day I'd just rather snack. With some snacks every two to three hours I never want a meal.
Posted by: datakoll on May-29-14 8:02 PM (EST)
Posted by: WaterBird on Jun-16-14 9:50 PM (EST)
I'm always looking for ways to simplify the entire trip experience. Leaving the stove behind is one of the ways. A stove is a hindrance at breakfast time, when you want to be paddling in the quiet morning hours. And cooking creates a lot of fuss and mess at suppertime, when you're tired and just want to sit and enjoy the sunset, and prepare for the next day's paddle.
A long long time ago....|
Posted by: mike on Aug-18-14 7:38 PM (EST)
A long time ago in my youth, before my friends and I could afford a backpack stove, we cooked exclusively by campfire. We camped rain or shine and ate many late meals by punky smoldering fires fueled by wet wood.
Posted by: datakoll on Oct-07-14 10:21 PM (EST)
off a candle is so romantic ! Nothing like a roaring candle top off an evening camping in the deep pine forest.
Pa, dogs are ready...|
Posted by: datakoll on Aug-18-14 7:47 PM (EST)
Nope, lots of places it is not possible |
Posted by: Reefmonkey on Oct-06-14 5:02 PM (EST)
or responsible to have a campfire, and even in parks where I do plan to have a fire in the provided fire ring, a stove is reassuring insurance against unexpected burn bans, lack of firewood, and wet firewood that just won't light. Lots of great little lightweight stove choices out there, I am fond of my MSR Pocket Rocket, but I also have a little esbit stove, hard to find anything lighter and more compact than that.
Almost always use a stove|
Posted by: jackL on Oct-06-14 6:35 PM (EST)
Our stove when it is stowed is only about four inches in diameter and an inch thick. The largest part is the cylinder of butane
Oh goodness I cannot let this go -|
Posted by: rpg51 on Oct-22-14 9:25 PM (EST)
"Fires are for the young people, newbies, and those that only paddle half a day."
Agree with Jack|
Posted by: Glenn_MacGrady on Oct-24-14 10:30 AM (EST)
Although I love to sit around a fire, and have many times on group trips or when car camping, I've never made a fire when canoe tripping alone, which is what I mainly do.
Even if a fire is not an everyday need|
Posted by: kayamedic on Oct-25-14 9:18 AM (EST)
and for me it isn't, it pays to keep up your firebuilding skills.
For me a fire is |
Posted by: rpg51 on Oct-28-14 9:22 PM (EST)
Posted by: kilifiman on Jan-30-15 10:11 PM (EST)
was your trip? Little week-long trips would be fine, if you are in an area where fire wood is plentiful and burning it does not impact the biology of the area. On longer trips, having a backup (something you know will heat your water/food even during the rain) is not only nice but possibly life saving.
Some of our differences |
Posted by: rpg51 on Jan-31-15 6:59 AM (EST)
Posted by: troutstalker on Feb-01-15 1:10 AM (EST)
No campfires.I save weight by using a Solo Stove.It burns twigs,pine needles or pine cones.When wood is dry,I use downed birch bark for kinlin.When wet conditions exist,I use a fire starter.Thus I don't need to carry fuel canisters!Cook,eat,go to bed early and get up early to catch Adirondack brook trout!
Forgot to say that on a 3 day run of |
Posted by: ezwater on Feb-02-15 10:11 PM (EST)
Slickrock Canyon of the Dolores in Colorado, I took no stove whatsoever. I wanted to maximize scenery time and avoid cooking and cleaning. I carried a quantity of granola and trail mix, plus a small amount of jerky.
no can opener ?|
Posted by: datakoll on Feb-03-15 9:52 AM (EST)
filled the new butane soldering iron yesterday for sealing the cart's plastic wheels.
I'm really enjoying this thread,|
Posted by: tdaniel on Feb-24-15 10:12 AM (EST)