I am planning for a four week kayak trip. I am running into a probably very common problem, space and weight. I do not want to resupply on food. Right now my problem is lunch. I was wondering if anyone had any experience with nutritional gels. I need to make sure I am consuming enough calories. I am 5'10" 200 pounds and hope to achive fifty miles or more a day. Based on past trips that is in my ball park.
For breakfast I am considering a cliff bar. I have had good luck with those in the past. For lunch I am looking at two power bars. For dinner powdered mashed potatoes, and when I have a fire I will eat rice/pasta.
I am comfortable with being a little hungry throughout the day, and being full at night. I am willing to sacrifice taste for lower weight and mass. At this point I am on the very low end of calories.
I would love advice on different tactics, and meal plans.
Thank you in advance for any help you can give me.
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lightweight but add boiled water|
Posted by: castoff on Jul-24-12 7:54 AM (EST)
I like jerky and dried fruit for lunch no cooking needed. Pancake mix that you just add water (honey or syrup is heavy, but powdered sugar is light), instant coco, instant oatmeal, or grits for breakfast are fine with me. I also like to vary freeze-dried Mt. House meals in the evenings, sometimes pouring the beef stew over instant potatoes. Energy and granola bars are also part of my meal plan, but they do weight more, and in cooler weather I carry chocolate bars. I plan to at least boil water for morning and evening meals.
Posted by: Mattt on Jul-24-12 8:31 AM (EST)
I use and recommend Cytomax drink mix for long days of paddling. You need the liquids anyway, and it provides enough sustained energy that I don't get hungry, and have in fact cut down on how much other stuff like granola bars/nutragrain/gorp/aprocots that I bring for lunch. The stuff works very well for me - the harder I work, the better it seems to be. I buy the large containers, and pre-package two or more pint servings in baggies sandwich bags - use a folded piece of paper for a "funnel" to pour it from the baggie into the water bottle - (I use small opening bottles).
Bulk snacks section of Whole Foods|
Posted by: pikabike on Jul-24-12 11:24 AM (EST)
They sell a lot of wholesome bite-sized snacks that combine protein, fat, and carbs. Besides the obvious choice of nuts, there are some tasty cubes of minced nuts-cocoa-wholegrains that pack a lot of nutrition into a small space.
another light just add water meal|
Posted by: castoff on Jul-24-12 7:00 PM (EST)
is stovetop stuffing.
Another light cooking option|
Posted by: castoff on Jul-25-12 9:31 AM (EST)
Is a boxed mix of macaroni and cheese that you add water too, and you can find it at the grocery store.
Posted by: paddletothesea on Jul-25-12 10:10 AM (EST)
nuts have huge amounts of calories. A handfull will have more than what you named for lunch.
I have a number of items for |
Posted by: kayamedic on Jul-26-12 12:27 AM (EST)
eating on the go..
Posted by: Peter-CA on Jul-26-12 1:28 PM (EST)
You are probably going to want ~4000 calories per day, as you will burn a lot while paddling. More if you are paddling flat water (so currents not helping you achieve that 50 miles a day - truthfully 50 would be a big stretch for flat water).
Posted by: redrocket on Jul-26-12 5:24 PM (EST)
I am paddling the lower mississippi. I made fifty miles on the lower wabash, and had no problem getting fifty on the ohio river. So as long as I don't get to exhausted that shouldn't be a huge problem. I am doing a week on the the St. Croix next week, and I am trying some new foods out. I like pasta but the cook time is what concerns me. Right now I switch between a pocket rocket and jetboil, I haven't decided which one I'm taking. Anyway as you all know those canisters take up a lot of space, and I want to take as little as possible. I am not a cook so this might be a stupid question, but what if I add the pasta and water to a naligene bottle in the morning and let it soak all day? In past trips I have taken a squeeze bottle of butter substitute, it adds some flavor. I do not want to take fishing equipment with me. I have taken poles with me on other long trips and just end up getting in my way.
If you haven't tried freeze-dry|
Posted by: castoff on Jul-26-12 9:10 PM (EST)
With the Mountain House and other brands all you do is just bring a cup or two to a boil and pour the water into the bag they come in. Then let them sit about 10 minutes and eat. The pancakes, stove top stuffing, and mac&cheese require more cooking time. The large canister of iso propane for my pocket rocket is good for 8 meals plus hot beverages for two people. That is four days cooking for two with each canister. Cooking for 1 you should get more meals than that.
Pasta on a Procket|
Posted by: Varmintmist on Aug-19-14 3:11 PM (EST)
Bring the water to a boil, just boil for a min or two, then wrap your pot (with lid) in a towel or extra clothes and let it steep. It will take longer, but it will keep cooking. Figure about 11-13 min on a 7 min pasta. Same with rice dishes. Dont waste fuel trying to simmer, just boil and wrap. (red beans and rice side = good. Add prepack beef, or spam, = better) Using a hobo stove as a primary that you can boil with a handful of sticks and keeping the PR with 2 large cans of isopro for when it rains or there is a problem would let you cook at each meal.
Posted by: kayakkarl on Aug-12-12 8:06 PM (EST)
might want to check out backpacking foods. do a google search or http://www.backcountry.net/arch/at/9909/msg00100.html. you will find food averages out to about 100 calories per oz. at 4000 a day (5000 towards the end) comes out to 2.5-3.1 lbs per day. on most of my trips am OK with 2500 cal for the first 7 days, but when the hunger kicks in there is no stopping it. for pasta i would use like Knorr instant noodles and rice. packs of instant oatmeal do not have to be cooked, just wait about 15 minutes. i add raisins and nuts to it. lunch was 2 packs of tuna, bagel w/peanut butter, snickers or granola bar. i drank about 4-5 liters of water a day. i've done 2, 60 day drips, but i re-supplied every 5 days. have you considered a mail drop mid-trip?
Posted by: c2g on Aug-12-12 9:10 PM (EST)
I've had pretty good luck with the mix-with-water powders from Hammer Nutrition that are formulated for endurance events. http://hammernutrition.com/
Think about real food|
Posted by: kayamedic on Aug-13-12 10:51 AM (EST)
you need a balance of protein, carbs and fats, especially for long distance.
"Think about real food..."|
Posted by: rpg51 on Sep-16-12 7:00 AM (EST)
This is good advice. Also important on a long trip that you get enough calories and for most people that means a LOT more than you get in your normal life.
I paddle the BC coast....|
Posted by: chodups on Aug-13-12 8:50 PM (EST)
Freezer bag meals|
Posted by: randy_morgart on Aug-19-12 10:23 AM (EST)
They may be too heavy for everyday but they would make a good treat. Their website http://www.trailcooking.com/
Posted by: old_user on Aug-20-12 9:05 PM (EST)
Real food and freeze dried.
Posted by: richardp on Aug-21-12 9:50 AM (EST)
Cooked bacon is available. No refridgeration needed and the several small packets are great for 1 or 2 people. Weight is almost zero too. The uncooked stuff is available sealed but is much greater in weight and volume.
Quinoa is a super grain|
Posted by: gunney on Aug-21-12 7:31 PM (EST)
One grain I would suggest is quinoa (keen-wha). It's originally from the Andes and was a prized grain of the Incas.
There are some great ideas here.....|
Posted by: chodups on Aug-21-12 9:30 PM (EST)
Light weight extended tripping food |
Posted by: MMF on Aug-28-12 10:53 PM (EST)
PB2 (powdered peanut butter), 1 6.5 oz plastic jar makes 15 servings of 2 tablespoons of peanut butter. Mix 2TBS of powder and 1 TBS of water. If you need fat, it won't get you there -- only 13 fat calories (85% less fat than traditional pnut butter) and 45 calories per 2 Tbs and only 5g of carbs. If you're paddling 50 miles, you probably want more carbs and fat. But if you like Peanut butter and chocolate, PB2 is available with chocolate -- a 2 TBS dessert! Try googling Bell Plantation, Inc. for dealers near you who sell the item -- it's new.
Food for a month|
Posted by: ppine on Sep-12-12 1:01 PM (EST)
The diet you propose would be a disaster. It is way to low in protein, fruits, vegetables and calories. I agree with the other posters, but they are being gentle in their responses. Add dried fruit everyday. Add raw vegetables for snacks and cooked ones for dinner. Double the quantity unless you want to weigh 165 pounds when you return.
Posted by: redrocket on Sep-14-12 11:03 PM (EST)
Posted by: ppine on Sep-17-12 4:52 PM (EST)
Eat like the old timers.|
Posted by: beaverjack on Sep-21-12 7:07 AM (EST)
If you really want to cut down on weight, you're going to have to eliminate moisture. That means dry foods. Corn meal, dry beans, flour, pasta, etc. Salted pork, jerky, or bacon will add flavor. Get good at making frybread and buy a GSI 2 qt. LW pressure cooker. If you can supplement with fish or small game, maybe some berries, you're doin' it like the pioneers, and about as self-contained as it gets.
Posted by: mike on Aug-18-14 8:25 PM (EST)
Posted by: tdaniel on Aug-18-14 11:01 PM (EST)
Posted by: datakoll on Aug-19-14 10:19 PM (EST)
grits grits grits
Posted by: Varmintmist on Aug-20-14 10:30 AM (EST)
from paradise to hell in four weeks|
Posted by: mike on Aug-20-14 11:38 PM (EST)
Four weeks chained to your kayak sounds like POW training. loading your canoe to absolute maximum and eating rehydrated camp food for a month as you meander through the arteries of old downtowns and the stretches of rooted clay and sand banks that stretch between them. Hmm... could be fascinating or it could be a three-hour-tour from hell.
Yukon River race food|
Posted by: yknpdlr on Aug-21-14 9:18 AM (EST)
Posted by: paddletothesea on Aug-25-14 2:11 PM (EST)
I've done 6 weeks unsupported. Dehydrate all your own fruits and veggies and make your own one pot meals. Easy to do and cuts down on weight. Plenty of dried soup stocks and such as stores now days or make your own.
food on the river|
Posted by: ppine on Aug-26-14 4:28 PM (EST)
Tdaniel sounds like he is a long distance tripper. After awhile, say 7-10 days town food sounds really good. It would probably not be that hard to find towns for resupply. Thirty days worth of freeze-dried food would be torture for me. I would plan to resupply if it was somewhat out of the way. Paddling 50 miles a day is going to generate a huge appetite by about day 7.
Posted by: tooma on Sep-16-14 3:56 PM (EST)
Posted by: datakoll on Sep-16-14 9:20 PM (EST)