Considering a long NFCT adventure with a pal next year and wondering if my Wen Vag Kevlar Ultralight would survive the trip. This old dog would love its light weight for the portages and don't mind banging it up a bit more and even patching it along the way, but worry about the potential of serious, irreparable, damage in the I-II rapids. Would line/portage around any III+. Have a great old 15' RX Dagger Legend river runner but bit big & broad for solo work and much heavier to portage. Appreciate thoughts of those who have done one or more sections of the NFCT. Tks, Rick
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Depends on water levels|
Posted by: kayamedic on Aug-08-11 12:04 PM (EST)
The Allagash can get bony..A wrap of a UL most definitely would call for a repair kit (which would be a good idea to bring anyway)
Posted by: mister123 on Aug-10-11 11:32 AM (EST)
Buddy and I looking at late May next|
Posted by: ricknriver on Aug-10-11 10:14 PM (EST)
year. Hoping to do about a months worth this trip. He'll probably have a Pungo14 yak and I could borrow his wife's. Could both use my RX 15' Dagger Legend if we think we could "communicate" nicely :-). Worry about the weight of the Legend if I solo it when I have to tumpline or wheel it. Will have the ladies escorting and connecting with us every 4-6 days where nice lodgings avail for them :-). With limited WW experience we'll probably be lining/portaging the II+ and bigger. Hoping to do the as much of the least populated & most attractive parts as practical. Wading through the book now and maps next. Really appreciate the guidance and ideas as this our first big adventure. Rick
a month on the NFCT|
Posted by: mister123 on Aug-11-11 12:22 PM (EST)
With a month you could do a huge section of the trail. Since you have support you might consider using your wives as a shuttle service and doing lots of the river sections going downstream. The Androscoggin, Missisquoi,Clyde,Connecticut,are all really nice and even more so if you can paddle with the current.
Kayak vs. Canoe|
Posted by: cooper316 on Oct-18-11 4:43 PM (EST)
I also have a 12' Pungo Kayak and there's no way I would have wanted to lug that thing over the portages. The canoe was superior in that regard.
I have a Mohawk Royalite boat .|
Posted by: peterj on Aug-14-11 11:08 PM (EST)
It has proven to be very tough and is about the weight of expedition kevlar.
Would a sailing rig be practical for|
Posted by: ricknriver on Aug-24-11 8:28 AM (EST)
our boats for this adventure? A simple downwind rig or something more? Tks for the continued advice. Rick
Depends on how much you want to carry|
Posted by: riverstrider on Aug-24-11 1:02 PM (EST)
If you happen to have the wind at your back, it is probably worth it. Otherwise, it is extra weight. Several of us have taken sail rigging on out NFCT adventures, but so far have only been able to use them once. Usually the wind is in our face.
Posted by: old_user on Aug-26-11 9:57 AM (EST)
I agree on the Mohawk UL royalex. 44 lbs and very tough. I have a 14' Challenger (now the Odyssee) and it is a very good boat for tripping, up to class IIs. The 15' Odyssee might be even better if you want more capacity and will be paddling lakes. It will not carry the speed of a WenUL, but I installed a foot brace, and on flat water sit-and-switch with bent shaft, and speed is not bad.
Downwind rig for tripping|
Posted by: TommyC1 on Sep-06-11 12:38 PM (EST)
An upwind rig has too much wieght and complexity.
David Yost is rigging his StarFire|
Posted by: kayamedic on Sep-07-11 8:55 PM (EST)
for sailing and travel on the NFCT( He is well aware of regs on the AWW).
Sounds like a simple DW sail would|
Posted by: ricknriver on Sep-11-11 8:06 PM (EST)
be helpful, or maybe just a big umbrella rigged to the fwd thwart :-). Pics on link helped with outfitting ideas too. Not aware of any AWW "regs" though. No ref n the NFCT book I could find? Thanks for the continued guidance. Love all you can share :-). R
Sailing and the AWW|
Posted by: riverstrider on Oct-25-11 9:58 AM (EST)
Yeah, the NFCT guidebook doesn't mention it, but no sailing is permitted on the Allagash Wilderness Waterway. Your options would be just bringing it along in the boat (and hopefully it is not too heavy or cumbersome) or make arrangements for someone to retrieve it at Chesuncook, which is probably the last place you could use it.
The ports arent too arduous|
Posted by: kayamedic on Oct-27-11 12:09 AM (EST)
to bar bringing a sail rig in AWW.
Thru-paddled in a kevlar wenonah Minn II|
Posted by: cooper316 on Oct-18-11 4:40 PM (EST)
The water levels on the rivers were bony and I punched a hole in it on the Class 2 ledges in Plattsburg. (I can send you a photo, if interested.) Got it fixed in Burlington, VT at Canoe Imports and it lasted the rest of the trip. I really scuffed up the bottom and need to get the whole thing back in shape this spring. I had installed skid plates which I'm sure, saved me a lot more damage. Fast flowing, rocky rivers constantly kept me on edge--but it's weight was totally worth it. I avoided anything over Class 2. Will depend on your water levels. The Allagash was running at spring levels (1700 cfs) when I passed through in August and it was a dream to run, although I did not run the Chase Rapids when the ranger said "I wouldn't do it in a kevlar." In hindsight, I don't think it would have been much different than some of the other rapids you run farther downstream. Be prepared for your canoe to have more "character" afterwards.
Thanks for sharing the Kev experience,|
Posted by: ricknriver on Oct-24-11 1:25 PM (EST)
repair source,and suggs. She already has "character" so more won't hurt :-), and her much lighter weight should be a big plus for this old dog on the portages (than my optional old Rx Dagger Legend - that I could sleep in though :-) R
Posted by: rblturtle on Oct-29-11 6:28 AM (EST)
I was present at the dedication of the Long Lake NFCT kiosk where a man that did the trail end to end solo spoke -I think he wrote a book-quite a story. He later,when he saw my roylex wildfire he said that was his first choice,but they wouldn't donate one to him. He also said he would take a cart next time. He was speaking on one boat for the entire trip,a compromise choice.