need a wilderness tripper
Posted by: old_user on Jun-08-11 4:45 PM (EST)
ok.. so i posted something similar on the paddlers place forum, but have had little feed back.. I am looking for a wilderness tripping canoe. I own a penobscott 16 royalex, and a ranger otter, i love them both for diff uses. I like the ranger but my party for my trip has expanded from me and my dog to me my dog and my brother, so i was looking for a longer canoe with more capacity. I really like the shallow v of my ranger in rough water, some say the shallow arch when loaded is just as good.. what are your thoughts from the experienced trippers here? I reviewed and searched the reviews and products here, and the one i find fits my needs best is the new mad river expedition series 186, with all three of us and gear, i think we will need the room... I have been to the Quetico 3 times when i was 13, 15, and 17 for week long trips, but used a 17' allumacraft for all three. I am open to suggestions for boats etc, and this will be almost the only thing i use this canoe for, annual trips with my dog and bro to the Q...weight wise I am 215+/- my dog 90 and my brother 190 plus roughly 200 lbs of gear food and fishing gear i am guessing, we plan on going for about 8 or 9 days in the park. If anyone from the other forum reads this, i do appreciate your advise, just looking for more feedback..
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Posted by: captainsmollett on Jun-08-11 7:46 PM (EST)
Posted by: plaidpaddler on Jun-09-11 4:32 PM (EST)
The Minnnesota II is a great tripping canoe that will go fast with a load and will carry what you are suggesting. But your past experience in AlumiCraft and the other mentioned canoes suggest you might be more comfortable in a more stable canoe.
also add in a Northwoods (Bell)|
Posted by: bigspencer on Jun-09-11 6:36 PM (EST)
Another good tripper, particularly in BlackGold layup...but not inexpensive, but what isn't these days.
I would not buy a thing|
Posted by: kayamedic on Jun-09-11 9:01 PM (EST)
for the next trip rent from an outfitter in the area.
Posted by: old_user on Jun-10-11 12:38 PM (EST)
i think you may be right.. it will only cost about $300 roughly for the 8 days we will be out, it would take 10 years of trips almost to recoup for the canoe i would buy for almost only those trips...
When we went in for 12 days in '73, we|
Posted by: ezwater on Jun-11-11 12:47 PM (EST)
took our own 18.5' supercanoe because it was fast and could handle heavy water. But, being inexperienced campers, we rented or bought nearly all the rest from an Ely outfitter.
I have seen outfitters give|
Posted by: kayamedic on Jun-12-11 4:42 PM (EST)
clients a huge jar of peanut butter that would last a whole family of five two weeks eating it every meal for a party of two on a four day trip. And jelly to match!
Posted by: old_user on Jun-10-11 9:43 AM (EST)
for the info guys.. no i never rented, week long scout trips, my tropp had a total of 15 aluma canoes... I thought about renting, but haven't looked into it yet. I also did look at some bell canoes, the north woods and shore.. my main prob is there is no high end retailer around here to try a demo.. i will prob have to find a expo or something and try a couple there maybe
Posted by: RobW on Jun-10-11 1:50 PM (EST)
I have a Swift Temagami in the Expedition Kevlar layup. It's 17'6", loads of capacity and very stable for fishing even when daytripping without much gear. If you aren't planning any whitewater use, then you could avoid the royalex and save 30lbs of canoe weight. I'm not sure what availability would be like in your area.
What is most always a good pick....|
Posted by: bigspencer on Jun-11-11 8:49 PM (EST)
>rent from an outfitter in the area..
rent to own|
Posted by: Mattt on Jun-14-11 10:58 AM (EST)
check with several outfitters
Posted by: old_user on Jun-14-11 11:32 AM (EST)
thats cool, i didn't know some would do that and apply the fee, that is a pretty good deal, esp since they seem to sell the used at a good price from what i have seen to boot...
Souris and Wenonah|
Posted by: mr_canoehead on Jun-15-11 8:29 AM (EST)
The Souris River canoes and Wenonah canoes seem to be two of the most popular. Here is my summary:
I'm with them but......|
Posted by: old_user on Jul-12-11 1:20 PM (EST)
I'll go along with renting. It saves you gas getting there (car that gets 35 instead of my truck or mini van with a canoe strapped to the top) which offsets some of the rental costs. Never thought about rent to own but if your only gonna use it once a year I wouldn't even do that. If you do you are back to having to haul it which negates any gas savings and once you own it you have to maintain it.
Posted by: bryanhansel on Jul-13-11 1:58 PM (EST)
Bluewater Freedom in either the 17' or the 17'9" version. I like the 17' version. It's my favorite canoe for the BWCA and slow moving rivers. Both are efficient and stable. They turn better than a MN II.
Posted by: mr_canoehead on Jul-13-11 11:42 PM (EST)
Just one quick caveat about rentals - they do tend to be pretty specific to the area and the needs of the outfitters. For example, it seems the Minnesota 2 in ultralight core is the most popular boat in the Boundary Waters. I agree it is a fantastic canoe, but not really versatile, and unless weight was paramount or I was racing, I would go with flex-core on any Wenonah. Another example would be the poly boats that river outfitters use - good boats when new, but very hard to repair and really heavy, so not the most versatile. For a personal boat, I would usually choose royalex over poly.
You Know, I Would Look At Renting Too|
Posted by: wildernesswebb on Jul-15-11 8:50 AM (EST)
A Wenonah Champlaign or Bell Northwoods are two hulls I would feel comfortable in if I were paddling with a dog in the BWCAW/Quetico. You HAVE two good boats, if you would only use the tripper infrequently..... I actually traded in my Ranger for a Bell Northwind to have more capacity for tripping. The Bell got used 1-2 times a year while I used the Ranger 1-2 times a week. After about 4 years I sold the little-used Bell.
Well, the best input that I could give..|
Posted by: CoffeeII on Jul-15-11 9:13 AM (EST)
Is cut down on the gear weight/Quantity. Do everything you can to dissipate that.