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  paddlin' vacation swap part 1
  Posted by: tdaniel on Nov-26-13 9:57 PM (EST)

-- Last Updated: Nov-26-13 10:26 PM EST --

A while back I suggested a paddle vacation swap. Castoff kindly invited me to meet him at James Island SC so we met up this past Sun. and Mon. He was a gracious host, bringing a spare boat and paddle for me to use. We launched in one of channels between James and Folley island and I was promptly introduced to sea kayaking with a short swim back to the landing.

The boat felt "tippy" to me but I wanted to lean/edge it a bit before getting to far out, hoping to gain a bit of confidence- something I commonly due in ww boats. Things worked differently in castoff's sea kayak- over she went. Unfortunately, the boat sustained some damage on the wet exit with the cockpit combing coming loose despite me pulling the skirt. So castoff traded me boats and he went skirtless for the remainder of the trip.

I used a more conservative approach on the 2nd attempt in the boat-staying centered, looking straight ahead, and being focused on our two mile subsequent paddle. While the talk between us was informal I was learning about planning around the tides for up and back trips, tidal nodes, wind, fluff mud and water levels.

On day two we headed to Sol Legard Landing where we skirted the shoreline, using the cover of the marsh grass to avoid the wind before paddling up a twisting tidal creek and then using the wind and receding tides to paddle back.

Really common stuff for most of you but all new for me. Despite the wind and "flat water" we could make progress due to the design of the boat, something that would have worn me and had me giving up in my ww boats. I really enjoyed using a light paddle as well.

Mostly my wife and I enjoyed making new friends (castoff and his wife) and sharing a common passion for paddling. Thanks again castoff- and don't be shy, come and paddle a creek or river in wv with me.

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  What if a .....
  Posted by: roanguy on Nov-27-13 8:43 AM (EST)
350 pound red neck, lugging several cases of beer showed up at your house and asked you to lend him a boat and teach him how to paddle ????

  What kind of beer?
  Posted by: Kayak_Ken on Nov-27-13 8:47 AM (EST)
  Thanks for the report.
  Posted by: deuce on Nov-27-13 9:20 AM (EST)
Great to hear when something like this works out. Camaraderie and the opportunity to meet new peeps is one of this hobby's biggest draws, at least in my case.
  I'd thank him for the beer
  Posted by: tdaniel on Nov-27-13 10:12 PM (EST)
and teach him how to paddle. A double ducky would make a good big boy boat. Some PBR would be nice, when ya' showin' up Roanguy?
  A bit more trip info
  Posted by: castoff on Dec-02-13 11:42 AM (EST)
Tony and Val were a pleasure to meet. I started Tony with a 60 degree, 24oz paddle which was more feather and lighter than he was used to, and a 21.5” wide sea kayak. I think his brace hit somewhat edge wise because of the feather angle when he was testing the boat at the launch. He remarked about the difference in blade size, and his ww paddles have a larger blade. Glad the cockpit rim came off at the ramp rather than a capsize in conditions. He kept hold of the rim and I have some glassing to do when it warms up.

It was 20-25kt winds and gust to 35kt with small craft warnings issued both days we paddled. Highs were 48-50F and water dropped just below 60F during this cold snap. I think he was most impressed with how well the sea kayaks handled the windy conditions. We had white caps on the Stono River.

Neither of my boats fit him exactly right. He paddled my Shearwater Merganser 17w which I built a couple years ago. It is 23” wide. It also has a bit larger cockpit than the ocean style on my North Shore Buccaneer, but no foot pegs as I have foam against the bulkhead which fits me. It also does not have rudder or skeg.I should have brought my son’s CD storm as it would have been a better fit, adjustable foot pegs, and a bit more initial stability. He did fine though, and we saw some local wildlife (Bottlenose Dolphin, Willets, White Ibis, and other shore birds). Very little boat traffic on the water because of the wind and cold temps (for us southern folks), so we had the water mostly to ourselves.

Well I suppose I am obligated to give Tony a chance to get even. Went to a used book store and bought Bill Mason and Mark Scriver’s book “Thrill of the Paddle” and Paul Dutky’s “The Bombproof Roll and Beyond”. Looks like I may do a bit more swimming than Tony if I get up to WV for some white water this spring.
  wv version of tide charts!
  Posted by: tdaniel on Dec-04-13 6:52 PM (EST)
Castoff, here's some info about wv whitewater. We can do mild or wild. I'm posting it here because there might be other pnetters who are interested as well. Use the American Whitewater website to find descriptions for specific sections and water levels-

this is the closest thing that we have in wv that resembles tide charts!

River Section Class Miles Gauge Minimum Level
Cheat River St. George to Erwin I 19.6eat River at Parsons 600 cfs

Gauley River Swiss to Gauley Bridge I 9.6 Gauley River above Belva 600 cfs

Greenbrier River Denmar to Renick I 17.5 Greenbrier River at Buckeye 3.5’

Knapp Creek Huntersville to Marlinton I 7.1 Greenbrier River at Buckeye 6.0’

Little Kanawha River Wildcat to Falls Mill I 12.0 Little Kanawha River at Wildcat 5.5’

River Section Class Miles Gauge Minimum Level
Anthony Creek Blue Bend Recreational Area to Greenbrier River I-II+ 5.4

Big Coal:
Marsh Fork Arnett to Dry Creek I-II+ 6.3 Coal River at Tornado 11.5’

Birch River * Cora Brown bridge to bridge at Herold I-III- 6.1 Elk River below Webster Springs 5.0’

Buffalo Creek
(Elk Tributary) Confluence of Taylor Creek to Swandale I-II 4.7 Elk River below Webster Springs 6.5’

Buffalo Creek (Elk Tributary) Cressmont to Clay I-II 8.2 Elk River below Webster Springs 6.2’

Cheat River:
Dry Fork Snyder Road (CR 32/4) bridge over Dry Fork to Jenningston I-II 7.0 Dry Fork at Hendricks 3.3’

Elk River:
Back Fork Big Sycamore to Webster Springs I-II+ 5.8 Elk River below Webster Springs 5.0’

Elk River:
Old Field Fork Confluence of Crooked Fork to town of Slatyfork I-III 8.2 Elk River below Webster Springs 7.5’

Gauley River Donaldson to Camden-on-Gauley I-II(III) 10.5 Gauley River near Craigsville 11.9’

Gauley River Camden-on-Gauley to Curtin Bridge (Rt 20) I-II 9.8 Gauley River near Craigsville 11.7’

Greenbrier River Talcott to Willowood Bridge
(WV 12 & 3 I-II 5.5 Greenbrier River at Hilldale 1.5’

Greenbrier River Willowood Bridge
(WV 12 & 3) to Bellepoint I-II 5.5 Greenbrier River at Hilldale 1.5’

Greenbrier River Ronceverte to Fort Spring I-II 9.2 Greenbrier River at Hilldale 1.5’

Greenbrier River Fort Spring to Alderson I-II 6.1 Greenbrier River at Hilldale 1.5’

Middle Fork River Laurel Fork to Audra State Park I-III 5.0 Middle Fork River at Audra 3.0’

New River Glade Creek to Grandview Sandbar I-II(III) 4.7 New River at Thurmond 1.25’ **
(728 cfs)

New River Thurmond to Cunard I-II(III) 7.2 New River at Thurmond 1.25’ **
(728 cfs)

North Branch Bloomington to Keyser I-II 7.5 North Branch at Luke, MD 400 cfs

Potomac River: NFSB Seneca Rocks to head of Hopeville Canyon I-III 8.5 North Fork at Cabins 5.4’

Potomac: South Branch Big Bend CG to US 220 bridge south of Petersburg I-II (III-) South Branch at Franklin 2.5’

Second Creek U.S. 219 bridge to Greenbrier River I-II 8.8 Visual staff gauge 1.5’

Shavers Fork
Bridge at Clifton Run to Porterwood I-II 13.1 Shavers Fork at Bowden 4.9’

Shavers Fork Bowden to bridge at Clifton Run I-II+ 14.6 Shavers Fork at Bowden 5.0’

Williams River Bridge at Three Forks to the Gauley River I-III 10.2 Williams River at Dyer 2.8’


River Section Class Miles Gauge Minimum Level

Big Coal:
Clear Fork Clear Creek to Ameagle II-III- 9.4 Clear Fork at Whitesville 14.5’

Big Coal:
Marsh Fork * Saxton to Arnett II-III 6.5 Coal River at Tornado 12.0’

Bluestone River Eads Mill to tramway at Mountain Creek Lodge II-III- 10.9 Bluestone River near Pipestem 4.0’

Brush Creek * Beaver Branch to CR 3 bridge III-IV 5.6 Bluestone River near Pipestem 6.0’

Buckhannon River Alton to Tenmile I-III 6.1 Buckhannon River at Buckhannon 7.0’

Buckhannon River Tenmile to Sago III-IV 4.7 Buckhannon at Buckhannon 7.0’

Camp Creek Church near Camp Creek Exit to Bluestone II-III 2.0 Bluestone River near Pipestem 6.0’

Cheat River Limestone Mine to Lick Run II-III 5.0 Cheat River at Albright Power Station 0.6’ **

Cheat River:
Dry Fork Elklick Run to Hendricks II-III 8.4 Dry Fork at Hendricks 3.0’

Cheat River:
Dry Fork Gandy Creek to former wayside park I-III 12.0 Dry Fork at Hendricks 3.5’

Cherry River Richwood to Curtin bridge (WV 20) II-III 9.0 Gauley River near Craigsville; also visual gauge at Fenwick 11.6’


Cherry River:
North Fork Third bridge to Richwood II-IV 13.0 Gauley River near Craigsville 14.0’

Cherry River:
South Fork Beech Lick Run to Richwood II-III 6.0 Gauley River near Craigsville; also visual gauge at Fenwick 13.5’

Elk River Slatyfork to Elk Springs II-III 10.4 Elk River below Webster Springs 6.2’

Elk River Elk Springs to Bergoo II-III (IV-) 11.8 Elk River below Webster Springs 5.4’

Elk River Bergoo to Webster Springs II-III (IV-) 11.6 Elk River below Webster Springs 5.0’

Elk River Below Webster Springs II-III 10.0+ Elk River below Webster Springs 4.6’
(456 cfs)

Elk River:
Back Fork Confluence of Big Run to Sugar Run II-III (IV) 8.6 Elk River below

Webster Springs 6.5’
Gauley River * Curtin Bridge (WV 20) to Panther Creek II-III- 4.6 Gauley River near Craigsville 11.0’
(510 cfs)

Gauley River
(Middle) Mason Branch to Bucklick II-III+
(IV) 6.0 Gauley below Summersville Dam plus Meadow near Mt. Lookout 600 cfs

Holly River:
Left Fork Hacker Valley to Mill Dam II-III 10.3 Elk River below Webster Springs 6.0’

Hominy Creek Hominy Falls to Summersville Lake II-III (IV) 13.8 Gauley River near Craigsville 13.0’

Intermediate (continued)
River Section Class Miles Gauge Minimum Level
Laurel Creek (Cherry tributary) Jettsville to Fenwick III+ 5.3 Gauley River near Craigsville; also visual gauge at Fenwick 13.2’


Leatherwood Creek Forks of Creek to Bergoo III-IV 3.3 Elk River below Webster Springs 8.0’

Mill Creek (New River tributary) Hopewell Road bridge to Chestnut bridge at Ansted II-III 5.0 Visual gauge 9”

II-IV 4.6 New River at Thurmond
less 10,000 cfs 600 cfs

New River McCreery to Stonecliff II-III- 10.8 New River at Thurmond 1.25’ **
(728 cfs)

Paint Creek Laurel Grove Church to low water bridge below Mossy II-IV 4.6 Clear Fork at Whitesville. Also, culvert bridge below Mossy 13.5’
Water on surface of bridge

Paint Creek Mossy to culvert bridge below former coal yard II-III 4.1 Clear Fork at Whitesville; Culvert bridge below Mossy 12.8’, 3” below bridge surface on upstream side



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