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  Fall 2012 Ozark Rendezvous
  Posted by: wildernesswebb on May-07-12 7:34 PM (EST)
 

We discussed making the 3rd weekend in October the yearly time for the Rendezvous. Typically the colors are nearing peak and temperatures moderate. Showers at Pulltite? Who knows, the NPS is controlled by idiots, 'er, "Bureaucrats" in Washington D.C. without a clue. Maybe, maybe not. If we get a little "Ripe," who cares (LOL)!

So, how about it? October 17-21?

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  Go with it
  Posted by: vic on May-09-12 8:53 PM (EST)
Although I have a conflict this year I think we should stick with the decision we made at the Spring Rendezvous.

This year I will be on the Current (or the Buffalo is there is water -- yeah, right!) with Iowa folks that week, getting off the the Current at Two Rivers some time Saturday afternoon.

While I may not get to paddle with you guys, I expect to camp with you at Pulltite on Saturday night, Oct. 20th.
 
 
  +1 more vote
  Posted by: mississippi_dan on May-09-12 9:03 PM (EST)
for October 17-21 at Pulltite. I missed last two due to various schedule conflicts.
 
 
  Dates
  Posted by: LoneStarKayaker on May-10-12 4:14 PM (EST)
If I had my choice I would choose the second weekend of October. This is when the craft show and Haunting In The Hills occur and I like the option of playing tourist while I am in the area.
 
 
  I'm Flexible
  Posted by: wildernesswebb on May-10-12 8:56 PM (EST)
2nd weekend would be fine with me and better for Vic. So, Anyone for the SECOND WEEK INSTEAD?
 
 
  Second week
  Posted by: vic on May-11-12 12:07 AM (EST)
I guess it's a good thing this thread started so early. It may take us a while to agree on the dates.

I think a standing week each year would work better for you working folks and setting vacation schedules. For freeloaders like me it makes no difference. This year the second week works better for me too, but don't plan around my schedule.

 
 
  2ndweekend or3rd
  Posted by: yakjak on May-11-12 2:23 PM (EST)
is ok with me whatever works best for all looking foward to coming
 
 
  Whatever
  Posted by: kayamedic on May-11-12 6:17 PM (EST)
My truck might make it. Toyota is rebuilding it. There was a safety recall and they have to replace the whole frame at their expense. Hence I ought to have almost a new truck with 300,000 miles.
 
 
  I would prefer the third week
  Posted by: pblanc on May-11-12 7:12 PM (EST)
over the second. There is an established canoe Rendezvous at Raystown Lake in Pennsylvania that I sometimes go to which is always the second full weekend in October.

Due to the amount of driving involved, it is rather unlikely that I would attend both events even if there was not a schedule conflict, so it is not a big deal.
 
 
  Stick with original decision.
  Posted by: PamThePaddler on May-13-12 9:44 AM (EST)
When this was discussed, we knew that dates weren't going to work for everyone but that we were going to set dates and stick with them. What was discussed was first of May for Spring and third week of October for Fall, I personally say that is what we stick with. It seemed like for folks who had to "plan" ahead preferred that we set something in place so they always knew what week it would be.
 
 
  I agree with Pam
  Posted by: vic on May-13-12 2:43 PM (EST)
Although the third weekend in October may not work for me this year, I feel it is importent for us to set a standing date and stick to it - especially for those who have to get vacation dates approved.
 
 
  No Preference
  Posted by: osprey on May-15-12 8:45 AM (EST)
Have no preference on dates, nor feel the right to a vote, BUT whatever is decided will go on my calendar and be defended. After all the years of wanting to, I'm coming. Will dig out the sunshower!
 
 
  ALL RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  Posted by: wildernesswebb on May-15-12 10:45 PM (EST)
Looking forward to another member of the Texas contingent!
 
 
  Bump and revive discussion
  Posted by: vic on Jun-05-12 9:53 PM (EST)
I posted this to provide a bump to revive the discussion so that we land on a final date.

I assume those still working and needing to arrange vacation time would like to get this decided.

 
 
  My vote is to keep it as discussed.
  Posted by: PamThePaddler on Jun-15-12 5:11 PM (EST)
Fall 3rd week of October
Spring 1st week of May
As we discussed the dates are not always going to work for everyone every year but setting something in stone is helpful for the folks who work so they know ahead of time and can get vacation in.
 
 
  OK
  Posted by: sloopsailor on Jun-19-12 3:51 PM (EST)
-- Last Updated: Jun-19-12 4:17 PM EST --

WORKS for me!! and I am sure Annie unless she gets a new job. Second week would also work, but third is better.

 
 
  cant make it
  Posted by: yakjak on Jul-03-12 7:54 PM (EST)
Didnt get vacation in soon enough and that third week is gone but if someone wants to come early and paddle id be available...
 
 
  Bump !
  Posted by: thebob.com on Jul-26-12 12:39 PM (EST)
Bumping it up past the 0, 1, 2 or 3 reply threads.

We need rain!

BOB
 
 
  Looks Like That Line....
  Posted by: wildernesswebb on Jul-26-12 1:25 PM (EST)
-- Last Updated: Jul-26-12 1:26 PM EST --

...of rain that was headed our way did what it's done for the last 3 months, it dissipated again. Strange, this drought!

 
 
  Well Terry ...
  Posted by: vic on Jul-26-12 2:52 PM (EST)
maybe you just have to dance harder. I've increased my rain dancing to twice a day and last night we had 0.5 inches. We also have a 30% chance of thunderstorms this weekend.

It's not much and while it doesn't help our garden or the farmer's crops it sure feels nice.

Guess I'll just have to dance even harder.
 
 
  I can bring rain
  Posted by: kayamedic on Jul-27-12 2:13 AM (EST)
We had rain lots at home when I was there. But I should not take credit. After two sunny weeks its raining again but I am in Whitehorse Yukon.

Which has had way too much rain too. Apparantly it was nice for the last week. Rain returning over the weekend through next week.

Maybe we should pass by MO on our way home to bring some clouds to you.
 
 
  Regarding those clouds ...
  Posted by: vic on Jul-28-12 9:10 AM (EST)
Don't forget to put belly straps and bow and stern tie downs on those clouds when you bring them. Wouldn't want to lose them on the highway.
 
 
  First-timer
  Posted by: pgeorg on Aug-05-12 12:39 PM (EST)
I've watched the postings of your Ozark outings for a couple of years thinking I ought to try to make one before Father Time lowers the boom on me. This fall may be the one. Are they open to all? Do I have it right that participants camp at Pulltite and then daytrip/shuttle from there? I checked online and it looks as though camp space cannot be reserved, right again?

Thanks,
Peter
 
 
  Been watchin too
  Posted by: bacshortly on Aug-05-12 9:06 PM (EST)
pgeorg, - I was shootin forearly September to do it again - thinking it could be nipply in October. I'm sure its beautiful whenever it happens. I'll keep contemplating... who knows

http://backshortly.wordpress.com/2010/09/15/the-current-river/

 
 
  You Betcha
  Posted by: wildernesswebb on Aug-05-12 11:41 PM (EST)
-- Last Updated: Aug-05-12 11:44 PM EST --

It's open to all and we do day trips out of Pulltite. Typically that time of October, highs are in the 65-75 degree range and 40's at night.

And some idiot bureaucrat in Washington D.C. decided a few years back that October is "Off season" in the Ozarks. So you cannot reserve a campsite, 1st come, 1st served.

And, if you're coming from South Carolina, you might get in touch with C.M. (SCkayaker). He may be interested in carpooling or at least form a little a S.C. caravan!

 
 
  Thanks
  Posted by: pgeorg on Aug-06-12 7:41 AM (EST)
Good morning,

Thanks Wildernessweb for the response. I'll be traveling until the last week of Sept. After that I'll start watching this thread for updates. If I can pull it off, I'll be driving in from Connecticut.

Peter
 
 
  We Have Some Easterners Too
  Posted by: wildernesswebb on Aug-06-12 10:43 AM (EST)
-- Last Updated: Aug-06-12 10:44 AM EST --

My friend Wbaker moved here from Binghampton, NY, and Yellowcanoe is from Maine. And SCkayaker is from South Carolina. We also have some nice folks from South Alabama and the occasional Floridian.

If you're coming from such a distance, I encourage you to make time for seeing a few other Ozark streams like the Eleven Point, the Black, the North Fork. I'm certain we could be persuaded to paddle a little extra (LOL)!

 
 
  Looks like I'll be on vacation with
  Posted by: Yanoer on Aug-27-12 11:52 PM (EST)
my wife that week. And no, she won't be wanting to spend one of the weekends hanging out while I paddle.

Oh, well. Maybe next year.
 
 
  Margaret Has a Spare Boat
  Posted by: wildernesswebb on Aug-28-12 7:42 PM (EST)
Bring her here and we'll take her paddling with us!
 
 
  Thanks for the offer,
  Posted by: Yanoer on Aug-28-12 10:41 PM (EST)
but her back can only handle about an hour or so in a boat at a time, so no river trips for her. She's also never paddled on a river.

We'll be in Branson that week (our first time). We'll wave as we drive by.
 
 
  A Little Rain
  Posted by: wildernesswebb on Sep-10-12 10:49 AM (EST)
Weatherman says we're still 150 some days into our drought, but we've had a little rain since Isaac. As of last week, the water was up a few inches, and while not optimum, it's not too low. Kim won't even scrape that pretty little Colden!
 
 
  Water level
  Posted by: pgeorg on Sep-21-12 6:05 AM (EST)
Hi,

Starting to think seriously about attending. Those in know, please keep the rest of posted regarding water levels.

Peter
 
 
  When is everyone arriving?
  Posted by: pblanc on Sep-10-12 4:05 PM (EST)
Specifically, is anyone planning to be in the area prior to October 17? I am trying to decide when to get there.
 
 
  If all goes as planned.............
  Posted by: thebob.com on Sep-12-12 12:07 AM (EST)
-- Last Updated: Sep-12-12 12:16 AM EST --

I'll be there on the 17th to set up camp & aggravate other Rendezvous participants.
I'll probably paddle on the 18th.

The Queen of Sheba "wanna be" will tentatively be there on the 18th; after the penthouse has been erected, her chair placed in a protected location, and the wine chilled.

I don't know when the JoAnne & Pam show will be?
It always one of those unpredictable occurences; kind of like spontaneous combustion.......
Contact me to get a reserved seat. Lollygag & you could end up in the peanut gallery.

BOB

 
 
  But Bob ...
  Posted by: vic on Sep-12-12 8:36 AM (EST)
Aren't you going to have the tea service ready for the Queen of Sheba's high tea when she arrives?

I will most likely arrive some time on Sat., the 20th.
 
 
  Arriving Oct 17
  Posted by: PamThePaddler on Sep-12-12 5:51 PM (EST)
I (Pam) will be arriving the afternoon of Oct 17th. I do expect that tea service will be set up for me to enjoy, if not there will be hell to pay! Not sure when Rob will be arriving (that is his problem, ok that is a joke, hopefully later that night) as he is unsure if he can get off work or not(thank God someone works and pays the bills). But come hell or high water (rain would be nice) I will paddle, I will drink and I will be merry (I am sure someone will get great pic's of me being merry). Looking foward to others joining me!
 
 
  best laid plans..
  Posted by: sloopsailor on Sep-13-12 8:35 PM (EST)
-- Last Updated: Sep-14-12 3:34 PM EST --

Not going to make it. Surgery for my wife, recovery and income loss. Triple threat knocking us out of the rendezvous. We will miss you all. Summer has sucked up here for paddling. At least I married my soulmate.

Havs a ball. I hope the weather is perfect for you all!

 
 
  Will Miss You Jeff
  Posted by: wildernesswebb on Sep-14-12 12:20 AM (EST)
Looking forward to meeting Annie when she's recuperated!
 
 
  Water Levels
  Posted by: wildernesswebb on Sep-21-12 10:52 AM (EST)
-- Last Updated: Sep-21-12 10:55 AM EST --

Although things have eased a little, we ARE still in a drought. Around here in the southern Ozarks, most places are 10-15" below normal. However, the Current is not dependent only upon runoff, it gets constant water from springs. The Current on the Akers gauge is the one I use for the upper river. It has stayed above 150cfs, and a bit below 1' most of the summer.

I haven't paddled there in 2 weeks as I've been fighting bronchitis. But we have paddled from Cedar Grove to Blue Spring all summer at these same levels. At Cedar Grove a couple weeks ago, the furthest upstream we typically put in, it was low, but not unmanageable. I wouldn't have put a heavily loaded tandem in, but it was perfectly fine otherwise. Funny thing is, when the water level drops, side channels will close off and shunt the extra water to the main channel.

So if anyone is afraid they'll make a long drive and not be able to paddle because of LOW WATER, it aint gonna happen. When it's low like this, you just have less current, it's still a wonderful place.
http://waterdata.usgs.gov/mo/nwis/uv/?site_no=07064533&PARAmeter_cd=00065,00060

 
 
  Current River Report
  Posted by: PamThePaddler on Sep-23-12 10:09 AM (EST)
Rob and I paddled this weekend on Friday and Saturday. Did a fishing trip, let me tell you fishing sucked but paddling was great and our weather was perfect, except for the darn wind. We did day trips, Friday from Akers to Pulltite and Saturday Pulltite to Round Spring. We never had to get out of the boats, you did have to pick your line carefully. Thursday night the Akers gauge was at .96, rain would be nice. But wildlife was out, tons of King Fishers (sp?), turtles, saw one mink and one eagle, lots of ducks, we couldn't have asked for a better trip, hope we get this weather for Rendezvous. I'm with Terry, there is enough water to paddle, so no worries.

Hope to see everyone in a few weeks.
Pam
 
 
  A Little Tidbit
  Posted by: wildernesswebb on Sep-24-12 12:30 PM (EST)
-- Last Updated: Sep-25-12 12:59 PM EST --

Mountain Lion sightings are getting more common, although; the MO DOC's "Canned response" remains "We have no proof that they breed here." I saw my first "Wild" mountain lion this spring myself, and o few weeks later one was trapped near here.
http://www.kfvs12.com/story/19623280/mountain-lion-confirmed-in-shannon-county
http://www.stltoday.com/news/multimedia/mountain-lion-caught-and-released-in-reynolds-county/image_29d05917-7bb1-59ac-87ec-3573f9b7147a.html

More elk have been stocked at Peck Ranch, where re-establishment of our elk herd is centered. Some of us took a fruitless rainy day trip to Peck Ranch last year, but chances of seeing/hearing elk are better this year.
http://mdc.mo.gov/newsroom/elk-restoration-enters-second-year

 
 
  Neither put them in cages nor poke 'em
  Posted by: PuffinGin on Sep-25-12 11:00 AM (EST)
with sticks as you sit around the campfire and you guys should be fine. If that doesn't work, you might try some pond-scum camouflage attire.
 
 
  Question about trippable length
  Posted by: Glenn_MacGrady on Sep-25-12 2:46 PM (EST)
For those of us who would have to travel a long distance and who have never been to the Current, how many miles of tripping do you think are available at the reasonably expected water levels.

The financial and time decision to go is quite different if there are 20 miles, 60 miles, 100 miles or 150 miles of river paddling available. Obviously I'm thinking of overnight tripping in addition to what seems to be one or two day trips under discussion.

Thanks.
 
 
  From Where We Usually Put In
  Posted by: wildernesswebb on Sep-25-12 4:01 PM (EST)
About 60 miles of the upper Current and about 130 miles down to the MO/Arkansas line. Plus, the Current isn't the only show in town. At the present low water levels the Eleven Point also will have plenty of water as will several others.
 
 
  Here You Go
  Posted by: wildernesswebb on Sep-25-12 4:03 PM (EST)
I knew I had this somewhere:
http://www.missouricanoe.org/river-maps/current.html
 
 
  Check with kayakmedic
  Posted by: pblanc on Sep-25-12 4:46 PM (EST)
-- Last Updated: Sep-25-12 4:47 PM EST --

I think Kim did a 90 mile stretch on the Current a couple of years ago. You might check with her where she put in and took out.

Terry (wildernesswebb) has been paddling from Cedar Grove down even in this low water year. I would think that above Cedar Grove the river would be too low, especially for a boat laden with camping gear.

The Eleven Point was low but doable a few weeks ago below Greer Spring, which is at river mile 16.6 on this map:

http://www.missouricanoe.org/river-maps/eleven-point.html

From Greer down to the highway 142 bridge is a little less than 28 river miles, but of course you can go further downstream if you like. The Spring River (fed by Mammoth Spring in Arkansas) has some nice Class II ledge drops. It isn't terribly far away, especially from the Eleven Point. You might not want to do it in a composite canoe (although I did).

At the Rendezvous most people base camp and do day trips. The section of the river above and below Pulltite campground tends to have access points about 9 river miles apart, so most day trips are either 9 or 18 miles.

 
 
  I did a longish too fast trip
  Posted by: kayamedic on Sep-27-12 10:18 AM (EST)
the river was just barely open due to high water. This was about four years ago..so there is hope of the return of high water.

I put in at Baptist. First night across from Welch Springs. That was a half day paddle. The upper river was twisty and there was a sweeper right across a rapid that I had to portage.

Second night was just below Round Spring.
Next night somewhere near Paint Rock and exited at Big Spring about 1 pm the next day. Next trip at more normal water levels I would expect to be five to six days.

There is too much nice scenery to be rushing the 98 miles of this trip.

You can pick a lesser chunk of distance of course.

I can't make Rendezvous this year to try and see how far behind Pete I can get. I am taking some courses and have to sandwich trips between classes.

In 2013 I certainly want to try and make it and probably merge the Rendezvous with a Buffalo River trip.
 
 
  Best multiday river trip
  Posted by: thebob.com on Sep-27-12 12:01 PM (EST)
In my opinion, the best multiday, river camping trip on the Current is from Cedar Grove to Powder Mill.
I think that trip gives you the best opportunity to experience the many different aspects/scenery on the Current.

Think it is best done in late Spring or early Fall; when the "river dorks" are in hibernation.

It is approximately 50.7 miles.
Can be easily done in 3 days & 2 nights, but I would much prefer to take 4 days & 3 nights; so that I had more stop, take a break, look around, take photos, lollygag, and relax time.

Have good water & lots of time?
Baptist Camp to Doniphan: 124 miles.

BOB

 
 
  Doggone It!
  Posted by: wildernesswebb on Sep-27-12 4:46 PM (EST)
Really was looking forward to seeing you again, Dragonfly, 'er, Kim (LOL)! Hope to see you next year?
WW
 
 
  Doggone it too!
  Posted by: thebob.com on Sep-27-12 10:57 PM (EST)
I was in hope that Kim would let me take a test ride in her Dragonfly.

Selling my Dragonfly was the only canoe I ever regretted selling, and I've bought & sold more than a few.

BOB
 
 
  Wish I could come
  Posted by: kayamedic on Sep-27-12 11:21 PM (EST)
and I could cut class..but we just got home after driving some 12,000 miles around the US and Canada. I cant justify driving another 3500 right now.

Unless you can pay my credit card bill...lol!
 
 
  Post trip
  Posted by: Boyscout on Sep-26-12 4:56 AM (EST)
I may be able to do a post trip or pre trip on the eleven point.depending on if work picks up. Won't know week from week. But looks like I may be off the week of or the week after the rendezvous. Greer to 142 would be a nice 2-3 day trip. and if you arrive early thereare a few that get to pultite on Monday.
 
 
  Thanks much. Maybe spring would be ...
  Posted by: Glenn_MacGrady on Sep-27-12 6:15 PM (EST)
... better for me and water levels. I hope to be in Florida in April and I'd love to detour north through Louisiana and Arkansas and the western border states where I've never paddled.

I take it the spring Rendezvous is usually the first week of May.
 
 
  A bit confused
  Posted by: pgeorg on Sep-28-12 7:09 AM (EST)
by all the talk of multi-day trips. Just so that I know how and what to pack, are we going to be back at Pulltite camp area each night, or camping along the river?

Peter
 
 
  Well, you can do whatever you wish
  Posted by: pblanc on Sep-28-12 8:03 AM (EST)
so if you want to do an overnight trip you can possibly find someone to accompany you or at least help you out with a shuttle.

But basically people base camp at Pulltite campground and do day trips from there. Of course, not everyone does the same trip. Just make sure that you have made arrangements for shuttling with a specific individual so as not to get accidentally left at the take out.
 
 
  Thanks,
  Posted by: pgeorg on Sep-28-12 8:14 AM (EST)
I thought that was the way it worked, but the talk of multi-day trips worried me a bit.

Peter
 
 
  Pete nailed it
  Posted by: PJC on Sep-28-12 8:32 AM (EST)
We've done some river camping trips but the problem is the group's gotten pretty big... we just can't count on finding an unoccupied gravel bar site large enough to fit us all. (And high enough - the water levels on those Ozark rivers can change FAST. Wouldn't do to have to put up a post about half of paddling.net being rescued from the treetops.) There's no reason some of us can't break off and do the river camping thing, though. Pulltite is right on the river and offers showers and all the amenities a large group could want. And its big enough to give everyone some space of their own. We usually just take over the more isolated back half of the campground. Logistically it works out better... heck, there are even those among us who are starting to use campers and travel trailers. We must be getting older, eh?

The past two years the spring rendezvous has been held on the Northfork (of the White River) rather than the Current/Jacks Fork. This is partly because we've been flooded off the Current a few times in the spring. (Real bummer for those who drive a long way or burn finite vacation time for the trip.) First we moved the dates back, then we switched rivers.
 
 
  I think so
  Posted by: pblanc on Sep-28-12 8:11 AM (EST)
There was a thread on this board about having the spring Rendezvous be the first weekend in May and the preceding week and to have it on the north fork of the White River which is in far south MO near the state line.

I don't know if that was universally agreed to, though.
 
 
  HELP - water off Oct 15th
  Posted by: vic on Sep-28-12 10:05 AM (EST)
We just had our planning meeting for our Ozark trip to be held Oct 13-20.

My friend Al said that the Park Service sent an email to all the outfitters that water would be shut off at the Ozark campgrounds effective October 15th. I assume this also means no showers or flush toilets.

I seem to recall in the past that one or more times someone in our group had managed to get them to leave the water and showers on until after the Rendezvous.

If any of you have influence with them, now is the time to use it.

If you find out anything more please post it here.
 
 
  Are there toilets?
  Posted by: pgeorg on Sep-28-12 3:58 PM (EST)
OK, they may shut off the water. Do they have outhouses or portable toilets or do we lose toilets along with the water.

I'll give 'em a call and plead for the water to remain on.

Peter
 
 
  Not deaf ears
  Posted by: pgeorg on Sep-28-12 4:21 PM (EST)
-- Last Updated: Sep-28-12 4:22 PM EST --

but electronic ones. I did call and my call was routed to a woman named Fay who did not answer her line. I left a message on her voicemail expressing disappointement being faced with a campsite without water.

Peter

 
 
  Toilets, yes.
  Posted by: pgeorg on Sep-28-12 7:50 PM (EST)
-- Last Updated: Sep-28-12 7:54 PM EST --

Well, sort of. The woman named Fay did call back. I got the same story from her that others have gotten about staffing demands making it necessary to start the "process" of turning off the water on Oct 15. But she did say that there is a "vault" toilet at Pulltite which will be open. I'm pretty sure that toilet was singular. Could be a bit of a line at times.

Peter

P.S. Editing due to "fat fingers".

 
 
  I Think We Need Volume
  Posted by: wildernesswebb on Sep-28-12 10:55 AM (EST)
If we all call headquarters, they may relent. Here's the phone number of headquarters in Van Buren:
573 323 4236
573 323 4270

I will call myself in a bit and I think if we bug them enough......
 
 
  Just Called...
  Posted by: wildernesswebb on Sep-28-12 11:16 AM (EST)
...and the lady is going to see what she can do. I don't think it would hurt a thing to have a few more people express the same! BTW, instead of waiting to listen to the menu, just press "0" to get to a real person.

BTW, the "Haunting in the Hills" event at Alley Spring is the weekend of the 13th if anyone is interested. I know Barb and Danny always enjoy that.
 
 
  Water?
  Posted by: PamThePaddler on Sep-28-12 11:46 AM (EST)
They have said many of times that the water will be turned off by 10/1 then 10/15, every year it seems to change. Bottom line is it is a 50/50 so just make sure to bring some water with you.

Just a few more weeks!
See ya,
Pam
 
 
  Water................
  Posted by: thebob.com on Sep-28-12 12:36 PM (EST)
Bring extra water.

But also call them and ask for a little forebearance. The more that make the call; the better the chance they will give us a break..........

I am calling today.

BOB
 
 
  I Got NOWHERE
  Posted by: wildernesswebb on Sep-28-12 12:37 PM (EST)
Received a call back from the "Communications Director." "Due to staffing, we have to start shutting off water on October 15th." She is unsure what date they will shut off Pulltite's water. I told her that peak fall color is typically the 3rd week and the river sees a lot of weekend use until the end of the month. She says it's out of her hands. So, I will next e-mail our congresswoman. It can't hurt.

But, I bet if more people call, maybe she can find a way?
 
 
  Staffing issue my ass!
  Posted by: thebob.com on Sep-28-12 1:46 PM (EST)
-- Last Updated: Sep-28-12 1:59 PM EST --

How many staff does it take to turn water off?
What difference does it make if the water is turned off October 15th, 16th, 17th, 18th, 19th, or 20th?
NONE!

The difference between a Communictions Director & a BSing/buckpassing bureaucrat?
NONE!

Turn the water off on a "river dork" weekend in July (call it water conservation in drought) & see what happens. :^) Great hordes of "river dorks" will have their panties in a wad.

Turning off the water/showers keeps the majority of campers at home; not using the campground.
That is one of "their" goals.
With the water/showers off, and campers not camping; what will the staff be doing from mid October to April?
Very damn little!
Maintain a low profile;do busy work(count some nails), and keep out of sight.
Remember; these are the geniuses that take 4 years to build an office/bathroom combo!

What will the desk jockies/pass the buck/BS disseminators be doing?
Even less!

BOB

 
 
  AMEN, Brother!
  Posted by: wildernesswebb on Sep-28-12 1:48 PM (EST)
 
 
  We Will Not Be Attending
  Posted by: LoneStarkayaker on Sep-28-12 4:13 PM (EST)
We will not be attending this year but instead moving back to Texas at the end of October if things work out right.
Y'all have fun!
Barbara
 
 
  Sorry to miss you, but...
  Posted by: TexasLady on Sep-28-12 6:14 PM (EST)
Welcome Home!!!!!

Jill
 
 
  Thanks Jill
  Posted by: LoneStarkayaker on Sep-28-12 9:35 PM (EST)
Can't wait to get my kayak in the river.
Barbara
 
 
  Well, My Next Step....
  Posted by: wildernesswebb on Sep-28-12 1:04 PM (EST)
-- Last Updated: Sep-28-12 6:02 PM EST --

...was I e-mailed our congresswoman. Here's my e-mail:

I know this is a busy time for you and thank you for taking the time to read this. I've had issues with Ozark National Scenic Riverways over the last few years. Notably, when they deemed it would be "Essential Government Service" to "Gently escort" users from the riverways when we had the threatened government shutdown awhile back. Also, the 4 year shower house building fiasco at Pulltite, and shutting off water and ceasing to take fees/reservations during a peak use time for the riverways, in October. Anyone who knows anything about the Riverways SHOULD know that peak "Color" usually hits about the 20th of the month. The entire month is probably the best time of the year to be on the river and tourists know that. Yet the NPS staff INSISTS upon shutting water off to these areas on the 15th of the month. I have a large group of tourists that come in from as far away as Maine, Washington (State and D.C.), Texas, Iowa, Wisconsin, MN, et al every year in mid October. We've been getting together here since 2002. I also know of another group (all from Iowa) whom come at roughly the same time every year, and a group from St. Louis who also traditionally come at this time. These folks bring needed cash into Emminence, Salem, and other towns in our area whom NEED this money to tide them through the non-tourist season! I've been a user of the Riverways since the '70's, and you can find me there at least a day or two most weeks of the year. I've been unable to help them realize the folly of shutting off water and restroom facilities during the tourist season, before the end of October. Maybe your office can help? I appreciate any attention your office could provide to this matter. Thank you.

 
 
  I just don't get it.
  Posted by: kayamedic on Sep-28-12 1:49 PM (EST)
I was flabbergasted that the campground was FREE at a time when it was at least 3/4 full.

If there is no water I am sure you will figure out a way around that little snag..but government is so shorsighted.

Next I fear we will see a shut gate.
 
 
  Shut gate....................
  Posted by: thebob.com on Sep-28-12 2:11 PM (EST)
-- Last Updated: Sep-28-12 2:15 PM EST --

I fear that is a future goal............just lock the gate from mid October to mid April.

Push come to shove; river camp.
Heat up some water, get sponge & towel out of bucket; maybe talk someone I know into assisting with sponge bath. Carrying bota bag full of wine to assist in misleading might be beneficial?
"JoAnne come here; I got wine"!

BOB


 
 
  And JoAnne will no doubt
  Posted by: kayamedic on Sep-28-12 3:06 PM (EST)
be very happy to administer a wine enema. The bag is not there for nothing..does it have a little hangy hook?
 
 
  NOT!
  Posted by: thebob.com on Sep-28-12 5:17 PM (EST)
-- Last Updated: Sep-28-12 6:52 PM EST --

Bag?
We ain't got no bags!
We don't need no stinkin' bags!

If all water is turned off; sponge bath may become "necessity".

BOB
:^/

P.S. That would be a terrible "waste" of wine; no pun intended.

 
 
  Received A 2nd Phone Call
  Posted by: wildernesswebb on Sep-28-12 6:02 PM (EST)
The lady I'm speaking with seems sincere. She states they will have a meeting Tuesday and discuss the water situation. She also stated that there is a new ONSR Supervisor so he may be amenable to correcting some of the issues I mentioned to her. I don't think a few more phone calls would hurt!
 
 
  name/email of new director?
  Posted by: TexasLady on Sep-28-12 6:18 PM (EST)
I hate telephones...do you have a name and email address of the new director?
 
 
  She Didn't Tell Me, Jill
  Posted by: wildernesswebb on Sep-28-12 7:16 PM (EST)
-- Last Updated: Sep-28-12 7:16 PM EST --

But here's the address to headquarters. "Click" on the e-mail link. I hope you and David are coming?
http://www.nps.gov/ozar/contacts.htm

 
 
  Thanks.
  Posted by: TexasLady on Sep-28-12 10:28 PM (EST)
Pleading and begging email has been sent.
 
 
  Have fun!
  Posted by: veggieannie on Oct-02-12 12:07 AM (EST)
I usually work most weekends in October....and hate once again to miss a good time on the water and around the campfire!
I have been able to combine some paddling with work trips though.
At 20 years and 300,000+ miles I retired the toyota minivan from work trips and now just drive it around town. I got a used full size cargo van and shortly after that a used 9' kayak to go inside......it has been a great combo! Plenty of room for work gear, the kayak, and me.
I wish you all a super time with good weather, and I look forward to seeing the pictures!
 
 
  lost pits
  Posted by: Tazz on Oct-05-12 10:14 AM (EST)
If I remember correctly, they removed the pit toilet when the built the upper showers. Does this mean that we have to revert to nature if the water is turned off. It is a good thing that we are self contained.

Laurel and I are planning on arriving on Tuesday. Hope to see you all there.

Tom
 
 
  anyone hear from the park service?
  Posted by: TexasLady on Oct-05-12 11:00 AM (EST)
I sent an email, and I know others have called or written, but has anyone received an answer or any information that they changed the cutoff date to accommodate us?
 
 
  Haven't Heard Anything Else
  Posted by: wildernesswebb on Oct-05-12 11:08 AM (EST)
-- Last Updated: Oct-05-12 11:09 AM EST --

I'll give them a few more days. I'll call next week. They told me the pit toilet was still open last week when I talked to them?

 
 
  I'm surprised................
  Posted by: thebob.com on Oct-05-12 12:11 PM (EST)
I'm surprised that the pit toilet will still be open.......

That requires such a well co-ordinated/major effort on the part of the park staff. I wasn't sure they would be able to manage that!

BOB
 
 
  Pit toilet!
  Posted by: PamThePaddler on Oct-05-12 12:42 PM (EST)
The pit toilet up front was removed when they built the new state of the art bathhouse. There is still a pit toilet in the very back of the campground past the group sites, so you can get a nice little walk in or if you need to get there "quick" you may want to drive - lol.

See ya soon!
Pam
 
 
  Pit toilet..........
  Posted by: pat2 on Oct-05-12 1:40 PM (EST)
-- Last Updated: Oct-05-12 4:22 PM EST --

There was one about half way back to where most of us camp. It is near the "amphitheater". It was back behind site 37.

I am sure Tom and Laurel will leave the light on and the door unlocked for the whole crew to use their bathroom. LOL

 
 
  Isn't that one a flush toilet?
  Posted by: TexasLady on Oct-05-12 9:07 PM (EST)
I thought the toilet by the amphitheater was a flush toilet.
 
 
  Warning - somewhat crude
  Posted by: vic on Oct-05-12 10:01 PM (EST)
Just remember to bring along a little shovel to dig cat holes like on a downriver trip. Not like most of us haven't done that before. When you gotta go you gotta go.
 
 
  And then...
  Posted by: ContainerShip on Oct-09-12 6:57 PM (EST)
...do like my 4 year old grand daughter - put a wildflower on top of the filled-in cathole. "There, that looks better!"
 
 
  Portaging
  Posted by: pgeorg on Oct-11-12 11:38 AM (EST)
I don't imagine that there will be any portaging involved in this rendezvous, but thought I'd better ask. If so, should I bring a set of wheels?

Peter
 
 
  Nahhhh
  Posted by: wildernesswebb on Oct-11-12 11:52 AM (EST)
Minimal portaging between landing and water and always someone around to lend a hand.
 
 
  Anyone hear more about water
  Posted by: vic on Oct-11-12 12:41 PM (EST)
Anyone get an answer from NPS about water availability after Oct. 15th. I emailed over a week ago but never got a response, also left two phone messages but never got a response.
 
 
  The NPS...............
  Posted by: thebob.com on Oct-11-12 2:22 PM (EST)
-- Last Updated: Oct-11-12 2:37 PM EST --

NPS policy:

It is much easier to ignore emails & phone calls that voice complaints than to answer them.
Complaint?
What complaint?
We received no complaint from you?
There is no record of your complaint.

They're on their annual October thru April vacation.

Best bet: Prepare for worst.

Stop by Emminence & do a Dirty Harry routine on their butts Vic!
Do you feel lucky?
Well do ya punk?


BOB



 
 
  Cause everyone is out
  Posted by: PuffinGin on Oct-11-12 2:28 PM (EST)
turning off those valves. It's a tough and labor-intensive job: one worker to provide instruction on which way another should turn the valve (you know: "righty tighty, lefty loosey"), one quality assurance person to make sure it's done following proper procedure, and maybe a supervisor.

Wishing you all flowing water and flushing toilets!
 
 
  Good One, Ginny!
  Posted by: wildernesswebb on Oct-11-12 3:41 PM (EST)
(LOL)!
 
 
  Wet wipes
  Posted by: Boyscout on Oct-11-12 7:46 PM (EST)
Already packed a few packs of wet wipes. A bottle of ship wreck rum for the campfire.
 
 
  Wow, they must have a lot more
  Posted by: Yanoer on Oct-11-12 11:16 PM (EST)
staff than the IL DNR. We have one person trying to do about five person's jobs, rather than the other way around.
 
 
  Good new (I hope)
  Posted by: pblanc on Oct-12-12 12:03 PM (EST)
I called ONSR today and was told that the water at Pulltite will be left on until the end of "gigging season", which goes until sometime in January.

Apparently those giggers have a lot of clout.

Speak softly and carry a big gig?
 
 
  Funny how
  Posted by: Boyscout on Oct-12-12 12:28 PM (EST)
Seams that a select group matter to mo DNR. Seams the criteria for them to care. Are horse people , who drink and are loud or those that use motors on their boats. Lets not forget that the are around the current is a good place to neglect your animals x months a year.
 
 
  Well then
  Posted by: pblanc on Oct-12-12 3:28 PM (EST)
all you need to do is get a canoe that poops, put a motor on it, and behave like a loud, drunken buffoon and you will be in like Flint.
 
 
  Leaving
  Posted by: pgeorg on Oct-14-12 6:51 AM (EST)
this morning. Expect to be there Tuesday. Looking forward to meeting everyone and seeing new water.

Peter
 
 
  Most likely
  Posted by: pblanc on Oct-14-12 8:40 AM (EST)
I will arrive sometime Tuesday in early afternoon, possibly sooner, if you are looking to try to paddle Tuesday.
 
 
  Work Getting In the Way
  Posted by: wildernesswebb on Oct-15-12 12:51 AM (EST)
Long story, but will get to paddle Thur, Fri, Sat. Not sure if I'll get there Wed afternoon or Thursday morning, yet.
WW
 
 
  Nice Rain
  Posted by: wildernesswebb on Oct-15-12 10:40 AM (EST)
River up almost 6" and supposed to rain Wednesday too. Looks like Wd-Sunday highs in 60's and Sunny.
 
 
  Just got back from pulltite
  Posted by: Loon on Oct-15-12 6:27 PM (EST)
Water was still on as of this morning Oct 15th. River was in good shape... I'll be heading back down tomorrow morning. Should be there before noon.

Brian
 
 
  Rollin' Rollin' Rollin'
  Posted by: PJC on Oct-16-12 6:38 AM (EST)
See you in about 11 hours.
 

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