loon 138t for fishing
Posted by: old_user on Dec-21-07 10:47 PM (EST)
does anyone use am Old Town loon 138t for fishing? If so, got any suggestions on how I should rig mine for (rod holders, anchor, ice chest, tackle box, anything else I might need)
I'm trying to make this boat work instead of buying somehting else, so please don't respond with "hey, you should try a SOT" or somehting like that.
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Posted by: old_user on Dec-22-07 7:14 AM (EST)
While I don't use the 138T I do use a 138 occasionally. I would move the rear seat to the middle if possible to trim the boat. Then use a milk crate behind the seat to hold a small tackle box and other gear, like pliers, lip grippers, etc. Use 1.5 inch PVC pipe cut to the appropriate length and zip tie them into the corners of the crate, they are now your rod holders. I use two ice chests a small one for drinks and snacks and a little larger one for the fish. I seldom use an anchor as I prefer to drift fish, but when I do I use a variety depending on the area I'm fishing. Most commonly I use a drift anchor, but will sometimes use a homemade anchor(Quikcrete inside a length of 4" PVC pipe with a eyebolt stuck in one end) and seldom but occasionally a brush anchor, if I'm fishing a weedy or brushy area. With my anchors I just tie it onto the boat within easy reach. Attach a float and quick release to the tie off so you can let it go if you get a big fish or a hang up. The float will keep the line on the surface so you can recover your anchor later.
I've a Loon 138, but have paddled|
Posted by: old_user on Dec-22-07 5:56 PM (EST)
Posted by: old_user on Dec-23-07 5:05 PM (EST)
No pictures of my system.|
Posted by: old_user on Dec-23-07 5:47 PM (EST)
Generally, my anchor ropes are 3/8' nylon. Many use the rubber coated dumbells you can buy at Wal Mart for $3-5. (the weights, not employees). The 3 lb ones work. I do use a milk crate for some goodies, with my canoe, but not my Loon. I've 7 PVC holders on it. Six hold rods, one holds my net. Usually, I carry 4-6 rods and have 3-4 in the water at a time. Of course, I'm not casting and using both live and cut bait. Two of the PVC holders in on the crate are angled out from the hull so I can watch for hook ups.
Posted by: old_user on Dec-24-07 2:44 AM (EST)
I went and looked at my boat again and noticed that I must have an older loon because my front seat does in fact slide on metal rails. I also noticed that my rear seat seems to only be held in with 4 screws. Therefore, I think I am going to remove the front seat after all, and reposition the rear. This way I can really maximize the space that I have.
I guess the logistic are natural. Never|
Posted by: old_user on Dec-24-07 4:03 AM (EST)
really thought about it. Usually, I net with my left hand...I'm right handed. The main thing is keeping pressure on the fish while grabbing the net, then maneuvering him toward the net. Usually, I net head into the net. But, mainly, its some sort of automatic process. No one taught me, so I may do it wrong. Never used a net when I fished for bass. But, I do a lot of catfishing these days and a 8 lb cat can be difficult to handle from a kayak or canoe without a net. They don't lip to well, especially blue catfish.
Posted by: old_user on Dec-24-07 7:48 AM (EST)
Well I made an anchor|
Posted by: old_user on Dec-26-07 11:34 AM (EST)
Actually, I made 2 of them. I had some pvc laying around, so I went to work with it.
The 10" anchor will lay flat on its side|
Posted by: old_user on Dec-26-07 10:42 PM (EST)
when anchored. The wind doesn't affect that type of anchor adversely. In a current, it could, conceivably slide, but you probably shouldn't be using an anchor in those conditions. My primary anchor is a sash weight, similar in size to the anchor you made. It just sits. As a secondary anchor, I have a couple of 1 1/4" solid steel rods...taken from an illegal trotline I hung up on that also had corroded hooks. Smaller in diameter, but they hold.
now that i have my anchor built|
Posted by: old_user on Dec-27-07 2:00 AM (EST)
where should I tie it off to on my boat when it's in use? Should I install a cleat?
I use an anchor trolley. That allows|
Posted by: old_user on Dec-27-07 3:57 AM (EST)
me to position the anchor so that the wind is not blowing me around so bad. Usually, the anchor is at the bow of the boat. On a lake, I'll position at the stern with the anchor to avoid wind blowing into my face and to help with casting. I use bait casting reels almost exclusively these days and they don't cast as well into the wind. Sometimes, I'll put one anchor out at the bow, one at the stern to hold steady in the wind. For that, I've another trolley on the other side of the kayak. On my solo canoe, I have a split trolley system with both on the same side. One controls the front anchor, the other the back anchor.
Anchor Tie Off and PVC Rod Holders|
Posted by: old_user on Dec-27-07 5:55 AM (EST)
I run piece of coarse sandpaper around the edges of my PVC rodholders to smooth things out. Nothing drastic just a couple of swipes to remove the burrs. I also cut a slot in one side so the reel foot will slip into that and provide a more security.
Posted by: RouseD on Dec-27-07 7:25 AM (EST)
Don't know if this could help, but you mentioned an ice chest. I got one of the sft ice chest for bringing food home from Sm's club. It may fit under the front of your boat. It will hold a lot of smaller fish or a large one. Just thought I'd throw that one in. If it doesn't work for you, maybe it will give you more ideas. I have a SOT so I have my ice chest all the way in the back of my tankwell, behind my office crate. I have to lay my fish in the floor of my boat, or paddle over to an oyster bar to get out and put the fish in the ice chest. i am hoping the soft ice chest will fit up front so I can reach it.
Posted by: old_user on Dec-27-07 2:18 PM (EST)
that sounds interesting. WHat brand is it?
Posted by: old_user on Dec-27-07 8:21 PM (EST)
WHEN FISHING FROM A GRUMMAN CANOE I USED A FLOATING FISH BASKET HANGING OVER THE SIDE TO KEEP MY FISH IN AS I CAUGHT THEM.IT KEPT THEM ALIVE AND WELL.CHECK YOUR FISH ONCE IN A WHILE TO MAKE SURE NONE HAVE DIED,I NEVER HAD ONE DIE UNLESS IT HAD BEEN GUT OR GILL HOOKED. IF SO THEN YOU CAN PUT IT IN THE ICE CHEST. YOU CAN BUY ONE AT WALLY MART IN DIFFERENT SIZES OR CHECK OUT BASS PRO.THE LID ON THE TOP IS THE FLOAT WHICH OPENS INWARD SO YOU CAN HOLD YOUR FISH AND PUSH THE FISH IN AND LET GO.JUST KEEP AN EYE ON IT IN BRUSHY AREAS SO IT DOESN'T GET HUNG UP AND MAKE SURE THE FISH IS ALL THE WAY IN BEFORE YOU LET GO,NOT THAT I EVER DID THAT OF COURSE.
Posted by: old_user on Dec-30-07 1:49 AM (EST)
Here's a link to some of the stuff I've been building. Take a look...give me some feedback.
Posted by: old_user on Dec-30-07 5:26 AM (EST)
Your are getting it together very nicely. I like the kayak cart you built!
Soft ice chest|
Posted by: RouseD on Dec-30-07 7:23 AM (EST)
djohn, all it says on the front is High performance. I am not sure if that is the actual brand. It is a tyhermal freezer bag that Sam's sells for take home frozen foods. I guess it is about 2 ft wide and maybe not quite as tall. I believe it cost about $10. I have not used it yet, but I think it will work out OK. It is made in China, of course, but it look like it will hold up well. There is a website on the back of the tag. www.californiainnovations.com. The ad on the tag says it is leakproof, easy clean, heavy duty base, holds up to 14 gallons in the open position. It has a zippered closure on it. It also says it will hold an 18 inch pizza. It was recommended to me by someone else.
best part is...|
Posted by: old_user on Dec-30-07 12:03 PM (EST)
...the wheels on that cart are on sale ar harbor freight for $4.99. For a moment I thought about buying several pairs and making carts for others. I used the sch-80 threaded pvc so the entire cart can be taken apart, and, it's wicked strong! I think my total for all pieces including the nylon strap was s bit less then $40. If I went with the white-weak pvc it would have cost about $10-12 less.
Looks good. The one thing you may|
Posted by: old_user on Dec-30-07 9:34 PM (EST)
want to change is to put the PVC holders on the outside for the crate rather than inside, gives more room inside to carry goodies.
Why didn't I think of that|
Posted by: old_user on Dec-31-07 8:34 AM (EST)
Great Idea!! I have two milk crates set up and both have the PVC pipe inside reducing the room I have. Thanks for the suggestion.
Posted by: old_user on Dec-31-07 12:09 PM (EST)
I thought about that, but then I considered how little room I have in the cockpit of the loon.
I just stick my net in one of the PVC|
Posted by: old_user on Dec-31-07 1:55 PM (EST)
holders. The fewer cords attached to things the better. Of course, my net is a large aluminum one with a short handle, paid about $6 for it, so no great loss if I loose it. Most nets float, the few times I've "lost" mine, it was floating in the water. All that said, I hate nets, they have a tendency to tangle in everything. But, love 'em when netting an eight pound fish.
A big fish can break cable ties, so|
Posted by: old_user on Dec-31-07 4:55 PM (EST)
if you use your rod holders for still fishing, you may want to consider bolt them in if on the outside, not that I've done it myself. I use three cable ties on each rod holder. The best way, if you chose to bolt the holders in is to drill a hole large enough on one side of the pipe that you can work a bolt in to the smaller bolt hole that the bolt fits in. Just something I learned from a friend and trying to do it without the larger hole on a shallow crate I use on the bow of my Loon.
Posted by: old_user on Jan-02-08 4:20 PM (EST)
good idea to drill a large hole to access the nut/bolt. I did bolt in that small piece of PVC that holds my pliers and hook remover, but it was short enough that I could easily get my finger in there to insert the bolt.
Posted by: old_user on Feb-20-08 6:05 PM (EST)
I wanted to thank you guys for all the suggestions. I reconfigured my seat, built my crate, PVC rod holders, anchor system, yak dolly, paddle and rod leashes, and a custom clamp with a built in shelf, cup holder, and a Scotty rod holder on top.
late to the party|
Posted by: Big_D on Feb-20-08 6:35 PM (EST)
Sorry for coming in late to the party. You rigged up some nice looking stuff. I'm glad you got it all working together. Have a blast and stay safe!
Good for you. My 138 has lead me|
Posted by: old_user on Feb-20-08 10:28 PM (EST)
to lots of fish and fun on the water. Planned on fishing this weekend in mine, but too much rain, everything has been blown out. Your story makes me jealous.
Posted by: old_user on Feb-20-08 11:38 PM (EST)
I'm not sure what part of TX you're in, but since you fish from your yak, (and if you like to travel a bit) you may want to take a look at this:
Posted by: RouseD on Feb-21-08 8:32 AM (EST)
djohn, the yak in the 1st of those pics looks like my Ride 135. Even if it isn't, it must be a Wilderness Systems yak.
Posted by: RouseD on Feb-21-08 9:46 AM (EST)
yak.canfish, I slipped a piece of pool noolde on the handle of my net. That way, it should float if I drop it.
That will work|
Posted by: old_user on Feb-21-08 1:36 PM (EST)
All my rods have rod floats on them except for the ones that have Penn 209's and a big Shimano reel...takes two rod floats as the reels are heavy. I use pool noodles for all sorts of things. Best invention since duct tape.
I've heard about it.|
Posted by: old_user on Feb-21-08 9:34 AM (EST)
I don't fish saltwater...its 80 miles to the nearest decent salt fishing. But, the group sponsoring the event is first class, good bunch of guys.
Posted by: RouseD on Feb-21-08 9:52 AM (EST)
djohn, Redfish have become my favorite game fish. That is maily what I do. I'll also catch flounder and specs while I'm fishing for them. I am in eastern NC, about an hour from the coast.
check it out|
Posted by: old_user on Feb-22-08 12:29 PM (EST)
I forgot I had a picture of my catch for your viewing pleasure. Enjoy!
Soft ice chest|
Posted by: RouseD on Feb-23-08 7:33 AM (EST)
djohn, I forgot to tell you that that ice chest I mentioned in Sam's folds, so it will appear smaller in the box that comes from the manufacturer. They look to have a nylon cover. I Mine is red and black, but I think the other colors may be black and blue. They should be close to the frozen food dept. The one you told me about and had the picture of was close to the one mentioned in the store i was in.
Posted by: RouseD on Feb-23-08 9:11 AM (EST)
I used the white PVC for my office crate. I did mount it on the outside. I know the white will eventually break down in the sunlight. Would it be better to use the electrical gray PVC, or would it be better to use the black ABS? I also used a pocket knife to smoothe the edges from my rods. A pocket knife will take more product off faster than sand paper. I can then use sandpaper to smooth it even more if i feel the need.
PVC question again|
Posted by: RouseD on Feb-23-08 9:15 AM (EST)
I was wondering if I were to cut a slot out of a piece of PVC, or ABS, to use in a slant to have a way to have my trolling rods behind me. I am talking about the slot fitting over the office crate. Woud anyone think that would be stronger than just bolting it on the outside? Just loking for thoughts.
dj all who have replied|
Posted by: old_user on Mar-25-08 10:08 AM (EST)
I'm glad you posted a picture of you and your catch. Nice fish, but i'm glad your kayak is in the picture as well. I will be setting up my loon for fishing this season also. My youngest brother will be buying a kayak made for fishing, but I will be using what I have. I will be using all the great advice that was given on here and might have to ask for more clarity on some things when I start. I never thought of removing the front seat,probably would have just strapped it down and dealt with it. So if anyone has more pictures please post them to help me understand. Thanks