I'm a newbie so here's my question...I want to get a fishing kayak but unsure about a sink or sot. I guess advantages of both. My main question is how wet do you get in a sot? I've had people say get a sot but expect to get wet. I've had people say a sink is better if you're fishing colder water. I will only be fishing calm lakes & the biggest wave would probably be a boat wake. Plan on using it for spring bite which would be around 40+ degrees. Would just throw it in the back of my pickup (Sr10) which with the tailgate down would be 8 ft. Is it just a matter of wearing waders when it's colder water? Just how wet will I get with a sot in calm water? Thanks
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You will get wet|
Posted by: Djo on Jan-06-13 10:40 AM (EST)
I have a picture of a group of us getting back from paddling a pretty calm river in near zero temperatures. Our boats, spray skirts,and dry suits are covered in a sheet of ice. You will get wet. The purpose of a sit inside kayak and all that equipment was to keep the water off of us. Just the couple of drips that fall on you from each paddle stroke will add up to a lot of water in a while. Sorry but a SOT is not a good idea if it is too cold to tolerate wetness.
I agree and disagree|
Posted by: Big_D on Jan-07-13 10:28 AM (EST)
On an SOT, you will get water on you - period. There's no avoiding it. Some of the seats are low enough that you're sitting in water but there's enough boats now that have addressed that issue it's avoidable.
Posted by: djo on Jan-07-13 1:45 PM (EST)
Big D has a good point. If you wear a tight belt at the top of your waders every time you go our then the chanced of them killing you goes down substantially. He is also right that you should take care with your boots not to have too much weight there.
Here's a video that seems relevant|
Posted by: Big_D on Jan-08-13 1:34 PM (EST)
Posted by: old_user on Feb-04-13 9:55 PM (EST)
I dont mean to anger anyone but that wader issue is baloney. Unless using heavy rubbers, nothing will happen. Water in waders is neutrally buoyant. Ihave fallen into the channel and swam out in rubber hips.
One last thing|
Posted by: old_user on Feb-04-13 10:04 PM (EST)
Panic is the largest enemy. Dont panic, you should be fine.
Posted by: barrell on Feb-20-13 9:42 AM (EST)
The biggest problem I see in the kayak business with begginers is they buy kayaks that are to short for their body size and wheight. The reason is because little childrens kayaks are cheapand they dont want to spend much on their first kayak. If a kayak is to short for you then it doeasnt float you either which makes it wet, slow, and unstable. If a kayak is to small it wont track well and be very dificultto paddle in wind. A 200pound man shouldnt consider anything under 12 feet. Always go with a SOT if you are serious about fishing and safety. Doing a reentry from a sit inside takes time and skills a begginer does not have.
Posted by: DaveyJ on Dec-17-13 4:42 PM (EST)
barrell I wish I'd read your post a year ago.. it would have saved me a bit of heartache and a new kayak. I made the exact mistake you pointed out is common among beginners like myself. I've sorted myself out now with a better setup, hopefully it helps my fishing some some spring.
SIK re-entry is not that hard, but|
Posted by: OptiMystic on Mar-28-14 9:58 AM (EST)
I still would go with a SOT for fishing. I have a rec SIK and it has flotation in both ends. I did practice at the pool and figured out what works well for me. I can re-enter almost as fast as I can with an SOT, possibly faster in a full capsize because the SOT is harder to flip back over. But, I have to keep the front deck clear or make sure it is very easy to clear. You should practice getting back on an SOT also; it isn't as simple as it may appear. Anyway, the safety issue is often overblown. When properly rigged, there is not much difference. The SOT is a little better, but the SIK is no death trap or anything.
Waders and water|
Posted by: RockyRaab on Jul-04-13 10:04 AM (EST)
Full waders are neutrally buoyant - as long as you don't try to get OUT of the water. Because then they weigh a flipping ton. They also work just like a drift chute if you try to swim in them, because of all that mass of water inside. It's hard to get all that weight moving, in other words.
The issue with waders|
Posted by: Guideboatguy on Dec-28-13 3:44 PM (EST)
A wet sport|
Posted by: bananaboat on Jul-03-13 5:28 PM (EST)
I stay dry...|
Posted by: SignalFire on Jul-11-13 9:08 PM (EST)
I fish several times a week from my SinK. I have a small 10' kayak that I've set up for fishing specifically on calm lakes and slow creeks. I mainly fly fish from it. I have a short spray skirt mounted to the cockpit. I access the lakes via smooth shallow beach areas. I can say with certainty that now that I've learned the right procedures for ingress and egress as well as line management that I very very rarely get wet at all. My hands get wet from stripping in line but thats it. I usually wear jeans and sneakers in cooler weather. Ive got getting in and out down to a science where even my feet stay bone dry. It can be done but youll need to figure out what works for you.
ingress / egress with paddle|
Posted by: mcdbagds on Oct-14-13 10:18 PM (EST)
If you have a dock and the top of your yak is about at the top of it, you can use your paddle as a brace-one hand locks the shaft behind your cockpit the other hand reaches as far up the dock as possible. You stabilize the yak to the dock or slightly elevated shore and slide your but across the shaft and on to the solid surface. I dry exit this way when ever possible from my sit in yaks.
cold water fishing|
Posted by: ppine on Oct-23-13 3:05 PM (EST)
I would not want to sit on top of a kayak in 40 degree water. A boat with a cockpit is much warmer. Dress for immersion in either case.
Posted by: barrell on Dec-20-13 8:24 AM (EST)
On the other hand if you flip over and are in the water which style would you prefer. It takes 3 seconds to climb back on thee sit on top. It can take 45 minutes to reenter the cockpit boat. Bottom line here is 40 degrees is too cold for a beginner. Start with you new kayak in the early summer. Practice paddling, launching, and reentry all summer long and maybe youll be ready for cold water buy late fall.
Posted by: Guideboatguy on Dec-28-13 3:51 PM (EST)
The idea that it's good to be "enclosed and warm" is a kayaker's idea, not a fishermen's idea. If you can dress warm enough to fish out of an open boat, the idea that you must be enclosed in a cockpit just to be comfortable seems pretty odd, especially when considering how much more difficult it is to have easy access to your gear, etc. To me, it makes more sense to choose a boat that's better suited for fishing than to choose one that helps protect you from the weather.
be comfortable but survive discomfort|
Posted by: OptiMystic on Dec-31-13 1:30 PM (EST)
That is my approach. If I am going fishing in my SIK when it is cold, I do use a skirt but it is a nylon touring type, not a whitewater skirt. If I go over and roll up, I will still have a little water inside. But it will keep paddle drips and most splashes out of the boat. If I am going to venture more than a few feet from shore, then I do dress for full immersion just in case. But mostly I will restrict cold trips to shallow and/or near shore places and carry extra clothes in a dry bag.
Posted by: OptiMystic on Dec-31-13 1:57 PM (EST)
I somewhat agree with that. I read a similar discussion at another site where someone made the observation that kayakers who take up fishing tend to be in SIKs while fishermen who get a kayak to fish from prefer the SOT. Purely for fishing, the SOT does make more sense to me, even though I am a SIK puppy. But my reasons for referring the SIK are more about running rivers and just being what I am used to than comfort and convenience.
might wanna check out a small & stable|
Posted by: bigspencer on Mar-27-14 9:38 PM (EST)
boat with either an electric or gas motor...for early spring w/cold water.