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  Really Confused???
  Posted by: fishndad on Jan-05-13 4:57 PM (EST)
 

I'm a newbie so here's my question...I want to get a fishing kayak but unsure about a sink or sot. I guess advantages of both. My main question is how wet do you get in a sot? I've had people say get a sot but expect to get wet. I've had people say a sink is better if you're fishing colder water. I will only be fishing calm lakes & the biggest wave would probably be a boat wake. Plan on using it for spring bite which would be around 40+ degrees. Would just throw it in the back of my pickup (Sr10) which with the tailgate down would be 8 ft. Is it just a matter of wearing waders when it's colder water? Just how wet will I get with a sot in calm water? Thanks

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  You will get wet
  Posted by: Djo on Jan-06-13 10:40 AM (EST)
I have a picture of a group of us getting back from paddling a pretty calm river in near zero temperatures. Our boats, spray skirts,and dry suits are covered in a sheet of ice. You will get wet. The purpose of a sit inside kayak and all that equipment was to keep the water off of us. Just the couple of drips that fall on you from each paddle stroke will add up to a lot of water in a while. Sorry but a SOT is not a good idea if it is too cold to tolerate wetness.
Waders are a very bad idea. In my non paddling life I am a trout fisherman so I wear waders a lot. The biggest worry with waders and the biggest killer of river fishermen is falling in. Waders fill with water and turn into anchors. Do not wear them in a situation where you might go overboard.
If you want to use a SOT in cold water consider a dry suit which will likely cost as much as the boat. Remember in a paddle craft you need to dress for immersion. If you are on a boat enough you will eventually swim. Your life expectancy swimming in 40 degree water without protection is not very long.
David
 
 
  I agree and disagree
  Posted by: Big_D on Jan-07-13 10:28 AM (EST)
On an SOT, you will get water on you - period. There's no avoiding it. Some of the seats are low enough that you're sitting in water but there's enough boats now that have addressed that issue it's avoidable.

As far as a SinK, you will get equally wet unless you use a skirt. If you use a skirt, it is possible to stay surprisingly dry. It doesn't matter. When it comes to cold water paddling you must always plan for an unintentional swim.

On the waders issue, I disagree. I have and use each a "jeans" style of waist high waders, and also chest-high waders. With either pair, I wear a nylon "weight belt" snugly around my middle. Over that, I wear a semi-dry top (the neck is neoprene, otherwise it is a dry top). Over that, I wear my PFD snugly. With this set-up, when I have tested in warm current, I got a small drip of water down my neck and that's it. My waders did not fill with water in current. It is a bit difficult to swim with wading boots on, but when I wear NRS river shoes instead it is much easier.

I'm also a wading fisherman, and even when wading while fishing, I am careful to wear a wading belt around my waist high waders. If the water is swift or more than knee deep, I also wear a PFD. With this outfit, I have fallen in swift, spring water and gotten enough water down my back to be unpleasant and my pants were moistened but not sopping wet. There was no 'filling up' to become an 'anchor'. While this is a risk, the risk is easily mitigated with a snug wading belt and a snug PFD. If you have a semi-dry or dry top over it, it's almost completely mitigated.

My suggestion to you is if you get a SOT, then you should get some dry pants (rather than waders) specifically made for paddling. However, if you are a wading fisherman and already have a pair of breathable waders and can take appropriate precaution to keep water from going down them, they'll work. Dry pants can be purchased from NRS for under $200. On sale (like now) you can find some for around $100. A semi-drytop or drytop combined with it will give you a way to stay safe and can save your life from a dunking in cold water. NRS' website is www.nrsweb.com. I have no affiliation with NRS aside from that of a satisfied customer.

Always, in any condition, wear your PFD and wear it snugly. I do not care how well you swim, nor how calm the water is. Wear your PFD. Three different rescue veterans with roughly 60 years of rescue experience between them have told me that they have never done a body recovery of someone wearing a PFD. It's possible to drown with PFD on, surely, but 60 years of experience is nothing to sneeze at.

With some sensible and relatively inexpensive (when it is compared to the value of your life) clothing made for cold weather paddling is a far better way to stay safe and dry than SOT versus SinK, in my opinion. The reason is that SOT versus SinK assumes you will not fall out, which is not a prudent assumption.

Finally, in most cases dress for the water temperature and not for the air temperature.

- Big D
 
 
  Actually
  Posted by: djo on Jan-07-13 1:45 PM (EST)
Big D has a good point. If you wear a tight belt at the top of your waders every time you go our then the chanced of them killing you goes down substantially. He is also right that you should take care with your boots not to have too much weight there.
David
 
 
  don't be confused ....
  Posted by: pilotwingz on Jan-08-13 9:54 AM (EST)
...... consider a canoe instead of a kayak .

My best advice is go paddle a canoe and then go paddle a kayak ... before you make any final decision to purchase either or .

In the doing so take your regularly expected fishing gear and day gear along with you .

Locate any place (preferably on a lake or pond) that has canoes and kayaks for rent ... and try both out .

Optimally as a solo fisherman you'll want a smaller canoe , say no longer than 13'-14' .

Last but not least , heed the advice you already heard here about being out on cold waters ... either dress apropriately for it (meaning full immersion gear) and always a PFD , or stay off of it .

It's just one of those things , cold water is deadly , and Spring fishin is mostly done in those deadly water temps. . Understand this , say at 50F. water temps. even though hypothermia takes longer to get you than say 40F. , you can become unable to use your hands or limbs to help yourself in a short period of time and the more you move about in the water the faster you loose body heat .

The body heat loss from being in the water is like 25 times faster than standing naked on land ... given the same water and air temps. for comparison .

I have this little game I play with some non-believers . When the water temp. is between 32F. and 40F. I dare them to immerse their hand in up to the wrist and see if they can keep it there for just one minute . Those who make it to a minute are few , but all have become converted believers ... it's painful and now they understand what their intire body could feel like if they fell in inapropriately dressed for cold water immer4sion .

Hypothermia is the end result of someone who has long before become incapacitated in the cold waters . If you can't get out of that cold water fast , and I mean fast ... you are in real trouble and things go down hill really fast from there .

That's all I got to say about that ... now go get yourself a canoe .



 
 
  Here's a video that seems relevant
  Posted by: Big_D on Jan-08-13 1:34 PM (EST)
http://youtu.be/DtgYP3Xrhdo

Note that this is still water on the Chesapeake Bay at Kiptopeke State Park. There is no current there.

Notice how smoothly the guy in the video gets back into his kayak. That comes from practice, not from necessity. If you get a kayak, be sure to practice your safety skills in warm water.

- Big D
 
 
  Waders
  Posted by: gurnie on Feb-04-13 9:55 PM (EST)
I dont mean to anger anyone but that wader issue is baloney. Unless using heavy rubbers, nothing will happen. Water in waders is neutrally buoyant. Ihave fallen into the channel and swam out in rubber hips.
 
 
  One last thing
  Posted by: gurnie on Feb-04-13 10:04 PM (EST)
Panic is the largest enemy. Dont panic, you should be fine.
 
 
  to short?
  Posted by: barrell on Feb-20-13 9:42 AM (EST)
The biggest problem I see in the kayak business with begginers is they buy kayaks that are to short for their body size and wheight. The reason is because little childrens kayaks are cheapand they dont want to spend much on their first kayak. If a kayak is to short for you then it doeasnt float you either which makes it wet, slow, and unstable. If a kayak is to small it wont track well and be very dificultto paddle in wind. A 200pound man shouldnt consider anything under 12 feet. Always go with a SOT if you are serious about fishing and safety. Doing a reentry from a sit inside takes time and skills a begginer does not have.
 

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