motors: 2.5hp gas or electric...
Posted by: cunningstunts on Apr-22-12 8:43 PM (EST)
well, i've tried fishing from my canoe and sea kayaks, and made modifications, rod holders, etc, but i've found that i want to spend more time and energy devoted just to fishing instead of gear management and boat control. the wife and i are thinking of the previously unthinkable. a square backed canoe! Esquif makes a model called the Heron that looks like it would be a good paddling canoe and good for mild white water, which we're both skilled at. the touring canoe is just not great for fishing or for rivers, so the new canoe idea. now i'm all obsessing about how to power it when not paddling. it would see mostly fresh water, but also some salt as i'm right on the ocean, and salmon fishing on calm days would be awesome. anyhow for electric, you need a specific motor, the Minn kota Riptide, then a big battery and charger. 55lbs thrust model looks good. OR, do i get a 2.5 4 stroker? can you troll very slow with the gas motor? i have no experience at all with either or powered boats. i read some old threads here that were good, but if you have any insight, i'd love to hear it. thanks.
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Posted by: jenella1 on Apr-23-12 9:24 AM (EST)
you add a motor, electric or gas in NC you must register the boat, canoe or kayak and get a hull number.Don't know how it is in your state. That being said I'd go electric no messy gas cans or fumes.
Posted by: oldiron79 on Mar-21-13 8:42 AM (EST)
In the last few years (maybe 06 or 08) TN changed it where like NC any motor and you have to register. Prior to that electric didn't require registration.
Posted by: Big_D on Apr-23-12 5:47 PM (EST)
I have an Esquif Cargo, which is a 17' version of the Heron. I have both a 55ft/lb thrust electric trolling motor and a 2.5HP gas engine for it.
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Posted by: oldiron79 on Mar-21-13 1:05 PM (EST)
an electric with a like 2.5-3 hp rating is gonna have like 50-60 lbs of thrust a 2.5-3 hp gas is gonna have like 75-80 lbs of thrust because they are rated in a different manner, but lbs of thrust is the more accurate way to compare engines because lbs of thrust arent rated different on one vs the other.
Posted by: old_user on Apr-19-13 4:13 AM (EST)
Posted by: Big_D on Apr-19-13 8:25 AM (EST)
If the two people have narrow enough backsides to fit, and if the two people have a clue about needing to keep their combined center of gravity over the center line of the boat, then they could fit. You would not be able to fit two large Bubbas on one of the center seats.
Posted by: old_user on Apr-20-13 1:47 AM (EST)
Thanks Big_D you for your answer.
It's quite heavy.|
Posted by: Big_D on Apr-24-13 8:30 AM (EST)
I use wheels. I can load and unload the boat from my truck, but for moving it I use wheels. I would never want to do an overhead portage with an Esquif, and certainly not alone.
gas or electric motor|
Posted by: xpapy on Apr-27-12 1:42 PM (EST)
I have a 15.4 ft sportsman canoe w a coleman 2.4 stroke and it is great for fishing .. I also have a 15ft coleman canoe that i put a 35 thrust trolling motor on it.. It worked great fishing in the Niagara Falls NY . above the falls by Grand Island.. worked great.
Posted by: old_user on May-26-12 6:15 PM (EST)
I use an old 1.5 hp Cruise N' Carry from way back on my Grumman 17. It's not a squareback. The rangers on the Allagash used to prefer Grumman 20' double-end canoes to squarebacks because it was more comfortable with an outboard. They didn't have to twist sideways to reach the steering handle.
Posted by: GBflyer on Jun-02-12 8:25 PM (EST)
Electrics are nice if you don't need excessive power against current/tides. Smooth and quiet. Downside is batteries are a royal PIA, heavy, painful to move around, no easy/quick way to recharge. If you are making the jump to a square stern i'd go gas, if you are trying out power add an electric to your current canoe. FYI I found my small gas outboard 2.5 hp/27 lbs was too much weight/power on a offset mount canoe is a MRC Freedom. Sure it works fine on bigger boats.
i like the electric|
Posted by: jake703 on Jun-05-12 1:54 PM (EST)
I have not tried a gas motor but on my 14 foot kayak I like the electric because I enjoy the other benefits of having the battery such as charging my phone if it dies or powering something if I am camping out.
I went electric...|
Posted by: old_user on Jun-06-12 11:40 AM (EST)
I have a 14' Coleman Scanoe with a Watersnake 54lb thrust trolling motor on it running off a group 29DC Everstart battery (Wal-Mart). This combination works great for me and my two sons. The canoe has a motor mount on the stern, but the stern is still tapered to a point like the front, so it makes for easy paddling and motoring even in reverse, which is something to consider over a traditional square stern canoe. I put the battery up front behind the front seat, and spliced in a jumper cable wire to reach the motor. Neither the battery nor the cable gets hot, even under prolonged use. I did shorten the motor shaft from 42" down to a more canoe-sized 22" to avoid the gorilla arm posture.
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Posted by: old_user on Jun-09-12 11:34 AM (EST)
just bought a water quest squareback 14' and a Water snake 54lb thrust you said you shortened the shaft. is this easy to do. I havent recieved it yet just ordered last week. also i got nervous about the motor being too big for the canoe when i read on Cabelas site that the canoe was rated for 30lb thrust with 15 in. shaft
Posted by: goobs on Jun-09-12 5:52 PM (EST)
Shorten TM shaft|
Posted by: 3bearnight on Jun-10-12 10:35 AM (EST)
Check this site for complete instructions
Thanks, I think?????|
Posted by: goobs on Jun-10-12 5:05 PM (EST)
Posted by: 3bearnight on Jun-11-12 10:37 AM (EST)
I checked with a MinnKota warranty shop in my area and was given a price of $35.00, not bad and he has the parts, seals and tools to do the job. If your TM is still under warranty shorting the shaft may void it. Check with your shop.
Short Shaft trolling Motor|
Posted by: old_user on Jun-13-12 8:52 AM (EST)
Found this trolling motor and ordered it and returned the watersnake,
Posted by: FrankNC on Jun-16-12 3:34 PM (EST)
Are not tiring. It is as easy as walking and you can row all day.
My arms argue against you.|
Posted by: Big_D on Jun-19-12 1:11 PM (EST)
Rowing against the wind all day for two days is not as easy as walking. But oars are good. I like rowing.
Go with gas|
Posted by: Reefmonkey on Jun-24-12 12:31 PM (EST)
I have had a trolling motor for my canoe for about two years now, and I am pretty dissatisfied with how quickly it runs down a deep cycle marine battery. I could get a bigger batty, but that would mean even more weight. I am looking to sell or trade the endura and get the smallest outboard I can find.
Test your battery first|
Posted by: goobs on Jun-24-12 4:12 PM (EST)
Nope, it's always been like that|
Posted by: Reefmonkey on Jun-25-12 11:05 AM (EST)
keeping a battery in good shape|
Posted by: photo01 on Mar-27-13 3:35 PM (EST)
There are little battery conditioners that keep a 12 volt battery charged up for only a few dollars at Harbor Freight and other stores. I have kept a used battery on one for over a year and it was ready to go when I needed it. It does not charge a battery, but keeps a trickle of electricity on it to compensate for losses and it works.
Many pros and cons both ways, but based|
Posted by: mickjetblue on Jul-12-12 9:29 PM (EST)
on your first sentence and being close to big water,
Posted by: old_user on Aug-14-12 12:25 AM (EST)
I just bought a Honda 2.3 motor|
Posted by: Kayak_Ken on Aug-14-12 9:40 AM (EST)
for my 17' aluminiun Grumann square stern canoe. It weighs 27 lbs empty and has a quart/liter gas tank on the motor. Haven't figured out the gas mileage yet but it seems to run quite a while on a tank of gas. It runs at a pretty good speed with my wife and I in it and can run at trolling motor speeds. While it is not real loud,it is not as quiet as I would like it to be going slow. I need to take it out with my GPS to see how fast it can go and what the gas mileage is. When I find out I will come back and post it here.
Posted by: paddler098 on Sep-27-12 10:02 PM (EST)
ON MY WOOD RIB 16 FOOT CANOE THERE IS A 35 LB THRUST MOTOR I USE A MARINE BATTERY OR ONE OUT OF A CAR BOTH GET ME 2 TO 3 HOURS TROLLING
Posted by: rb56 on Oct-18-12 1:31 AM (EST)
i bought a pelican canoe in the spring for fishing along banks near the landings. i was gonna paddle for exercise. caught in a wind one day that caused more exercise than i wanted as a heart patient, i went with the minn kota. now i needed a transom, insurance, registration, battery but it was worth it. if...my transom wasn't off the side of the boat causing balance problems, i'd take the 2 horse any day. my day is limited due to battery power. the small motors have self contained fuel for about 30 miles. to carry a small amount makes for twice that and a little quicker. if i find a good one light enough and good enough i'll go with one.
Trolling with gas|
Posted by: oldiron79 on Mar-21-13 8:46 AM (EST)
4 stroke motors idle well enough that I can say there is nothing wrong with trolling at idle with them.
Modern two-stokes do quite well|
Posted by: guideboatguy on Mar-31-13 12:08 AM (EST)
Actually, Mercury two-stroke outboards way back in the 70s could be used for trolling at idle all day long with no problems whatsoever, and I suspect Johnson/Evinrude were the same but I didn't hear much about people trolling with them. I guess by "modern" two-stroke motors, I'm referring to everything but the primitive old models that burned 25:1 mixtures. The "really modern" ones of today with electronically controlled oil proportioning should be even better. I would still expect four-stroke motors to be the best for trolling, even though the days of two-stroke motors performing poorly after long periods of idle have been gone for a long time.
Posted by: DFG4240 on Jul-21-13 9:12 PM (EST)