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  stolen canoe
  Posted by: coronaboy on May-24-14 5:46 PM (EST)
 

-- Last Updated: May-24-14 6:20 PM EST --

in the summer of 2007, as we camped at Pymatuning Reservoir at the western edge of Pa., 2 very nice canoes were stolen from the beach right next to our campsites. Doc's and Frank's canoes, both high end ( a carbon Magic and a carbon Prism) were gone in the morning as we all awakened to this travisty. One has been located recently..... go to MYCCR and look at Mike McRea's new post about it. How neat. Now I wonder if the insurance company will own it or whether one of the owners will have to claim it and reimburse the insurance company.... Tried to be sold on E-Bay recently....


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  Very cool!
  Posted by: Yanoer on May-25-14 12:24 AM (EST)
 
 
  So nice to read stuff like that.....
  Posted by: bigspencer on May-26-14 10:16 PM (EST)
Good to read news like this on the tailend of a Memorial Day wkend...
 
 
  What's the deal with stolen goods?
  Posted by: Kocho on May-27-14 11:04 AM (EST)
-- Last Updated: May-27-14 11:05 AM EST --

By now, the canoe has probably changed hands a few times. Likely the new owners don't know it is stolen goods. Anyone have info on what this means for the current seller, provided they are not the thieves? What is the responsibility of a buyer? Yes, I know one could do all sorts of checks, what I'm curious about is the legal situation ...

 
 
  I am curious too
  Posted by: Andy_Szymczak on May-27-14 1:07 PM (EST)
As I recall the Magic belonged to Doc, and the Prism was Franks. Sure would be nice if Frank got his boat back!
 
 
  Be careful out there
  Posted by: DaveO1 on May-27-14 4:55 PM (EST)
If a person buys stolen goods unknowingly, the person must return the goods to the rightful owner. If the owner collected insurance, then the person must return the goods to the insurance company. The person could sue the person who sold the stolen goods, for reimbursement, even if that seller is also an innocent third party. This is civil law we are talking, hypothetically.

As to criminal law, if you did not know it was stolen, and there was no objective reason to believe it was stolen (for example, price too low to be true), then no criminal liability. Consult an attorney for real world situations, obviously.

Get a written bill of sale when you buy used, with contact information from the seller. Keep a copy of the original ad. This will help with both civil and criminal. It will be needed if you ever need to register the boat, or file an insurance claim.

I will pay more if the seller is the original owner, and more still if it has the original paperwork.

If it is too good to be true, best to walk away.

It is easy to tell if you are dealing with a fellow paddler kindred spirit. If not, I walk away.
 
 
  Consult an attorney over a canoe?
  Posted by: yakfisher on May-30-14 3:58 AM (EST)
Seriously with the hourly rates that lawyers charge it would probably be cheaper to just go buy a new Canoe.


 
 
  A new $3000 canoe?
  Posted by: Yanoer on May-30-14 9:29 AM (EST)
 

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