Posted by: TheMeatCleaver on Dec-11-13 1:51 PM (EST)
A couple of my friends and I are doing an engineering project for school in which we will develop a boat launch that would make it easier for someone to launch their watercraft (we're thinking kayaks and canoes here) from places with really steep banks that would otherwise be difficult to launch from. If you could just take a few minutes and fill out this short survey (found in the link below), we would greatly appreciate it. The more data we can collect, we’ll have a better idea of how to solve the problem. Thanks!
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- Engineering Survey - TheMeatCleaver - Dec-11-13 1:51 PM
Matt is right.|
Posted by: pblanc on Dec-11-13 6:44 PM (EST)
I started the survey, got frustrated with the format, and quit. I think you need to first engineer a better survey format.
For example, I own both canoes and kayaks. I have owned boats made out of just about every material except birch bark.
I do not have a floating dock now, but I used to live on a lake and had one then.
The answer to questions such as "How difficult is it to access the water from a steep bank" is "it depends". Some times it is very difficult. Sometimes it is relatively easy to do a seal launch.
The format of your survey really does not allow me to answer the questions intelligently.
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Posted by: kayamedic on Dec-11-13 6:51 PM (EST)
which of the seventeen boats I have are involved.
It depends on if the bank is snow or ice covered.
It depends on if zoning requires a temporary structure that can be taken apart.
It depends if the floating dock has been pulled for the winter( which is required). Not all floating docks are equal either. Ours is high enough we put a canoe sill attached to it that greatly makes getting in and out easier.
Too many other possibilities need to be taken into account. I think a focus group to develop a better questionnaire is needed. You also forgot any mention of disability. Age is not the only factor.
I too got partway through.
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Posted by: tjalmy on Dec-11-13 7:35 PM (EST)
Greenways and Trails has quite a bit of information available on the subject of paddle boat launches, I have been told. I'm not sure how much it would help you out, as I haven't seen it.
If you'd like, I'll e-mail Doug and see what he's got. If you're interested, shoot me an e-mail.
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There could be some...|
Posted by: canoeswithduckheads on Dec-12-13 10:43 AM (EST)
...portability issues there.
Although, now that I remember it, I did on one Assateague trip have almost that much firewood stuffed into the Uberbot. And yes, there did remain some improperly addressed launching issues, too. Good thing I still had room for that drybag of spare clothes!
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Posted by: Steve_in_Idaho on Dec-13-13 5:02 AM (EST)
We don't need no stinking boat launches.
When I see a place that's difficult to get the canoe to the water, I carry the boat to another spot and put it in. Simple.
Engineers: finding hardware answers to software problems for generations.
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When you get old|
Posted by: kayamedic on Dec-13-13 8:40 AM (EST)
you may change your mind.
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Posted by: Steve_in_Idaho on Dec-16-13 3:15 PM (EST)
...for affirming that I am not yet old. ;)
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Sorry about my flippant answer...|
Posted by: Steve_in_Idaho on Dec-16-13 3:42 PM (EST)
...but not really sorry.
I started to do the survey, but found it to be a poorly constructed survey. My beef with it is that the survey starts with the assumption of a problem that needs fixing. At this time, I have not experienced such a problem that was worth even thinking about a fix - so how could I possibly be qualified to do the survey at all?
Besides that - the survey assumes the user has only one boat, or at least one type of boat with one type of construction. No multiple answers allowed? And then later in the survey, it seems geared to people who own waterfront property - so I'm out anyway. (btw - people with waterfront property only own one boat???)
Couldn't a senior-year engineering student come up with a better survey form than that?
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Not always an option|
Posted by: pblanc on Dec-13-13 8:45 AM (EST)
If you have a smaller property on a lake front with a steep bank, you may not be free to walk across several neighbor's properties to find a place to put in.
Personally, I found the floating dock idea to work quite well for the purpose of launching my canoe so long as the lake level does not fluctuate too wildly. If the level of the lake drops a lot, the incline of the ramp can become pretty steep. If the lake rises a lot, the walk across the ramp to the dock can actually become a climb. I have seen floating docks hanging high and dry on the bank 10 or more feet above the water level on Lake Fontana.
The floating dock I had was relatively small. The anchors for the ramp were subjected to a fair bit of stress when powerboaters raced past the rather narrow channel my property was at and kicked up a big wake (which they did all the time). My rather small dock handled that well, but I'm not sure a larger one would have done as well.
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you must be a realtor|
Posted by: slushpaddler on Dec-13-13 11:04 AM (EST)
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Posted by: RubricOfRuin on Dec-13-13 7:46 AM (EST)
I've seen guy seal launching himself in plastic sea kayak off the top of a 7 meter cliff! Almost broke it in half, me thinks! (kayak, not the cliff!)
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Form needs refinement|
Posted by: pikabike on Dec-16-13 4:04 PM (EST)
It assumes ownership of only one type of boat in one type of material, and it ignores the many factors besides water level that can make launching difficult.
I started to fill the form but quit due to these problems.
I'll give you one example as to why the form doesn't really dig out enough info:
I live near a terrific saltwater beach that has two public launch areas.
One of them is less than 5 minutes' walk from home but has a high, steep bluff with a gazillion stairs. It is intended for hiker use and works well for that purpose. But FORGET IT for taking a long boat down! The turns in the staircase are too tight to allow room for maneuvering a long boat, regardless whether shouldered or carried lower, solo or with another person. I do sometimes shoulder my WW kayak to use the stairs and even then I have to be very careful not to bump something. It is a hell of a carry, especially climbing back up.
The other launch area for that beach is a little less than a 15-minute portage using a kayak cart. I go that way to paddle my sea kayak.
You could regard the staircase as having already solved the problem of boat access, but only for really short, light boats. So there is a "permanent" solution at that place for ONE kind of boat but not the other kind that I use.
At least this beach does have public access. Thrown in a patchwork of weird shoreline-property laws and/or checkered ownership, and things get more complicated.
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