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- Golden eagles takes down deer - Andy_Szymczak - Sep-24-13 12:58 PM
Posted by: Celia on Sep-24-13 4:19 PM (EST)
I saw this on TV at least a couple of years ago now so I won't be able to find any links. But somewhere back there a story went national about a woman in I think the middle part of the country. She lost her power and went outside and see if she was alone.
When she looked up, the carcass of a baby deer, old enough to be of decent size and not spotted, was dangling over the power line.
The only way anyone could figure out it had gotten there was that an eagle had tried for too heavy a load.
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This is really cool, and ...|
Posted by: Guideboatguy on Sep-24-13 6:48 PM (EST)
-- Last Updated: Sep-24-13 7:38 PM EST --
... I don't mean to take anything away from the fantastic nature of this event, or how lucky it was that a small fraction of the action got caught on a trail camera, but you can almost always count on journalists to screw up the facts in cases like this (this statement excludes actual science-based journalists of course).
The three photos clearly show that the deer is moving under it's own power and that the eagle is along for the ride. There is no way that the eagle could have lifted that deer off the ground. The scientists who found the carcass got it right, in that after they found it with no four-legged carnivore tracks around it, one of them said "it looked like the deer had been running and then just stopped and died" which is consistent with what the photos show. The writer had all this info too, yet somehow ignored that statement and came to the conclusion that the deer must have been carried aloft by the eagle. The writer added a caption to the second photo saying "Drag: The bird can then be seen digging its claws in and starting to drag its prey away" and to the second appearance of the third photo, "Endgame: The eagle then drags the deer out of shot to make its meal" when clearly the deer is staggering forward under it's own power, still a very long way from being dead. To make the writer look even more stupid, he ALSO added a different caption to the first appearance of that same third photo, saying "Lift-off: The eagle spreads its wings before lifting the deer from the ground." Yeah right. Spreading its wings for balance maybe, but lift-off?
Even the first caption says something is happening which clearly is not. "Swoop: This golden eagle soars in and sinks its claws into a Sika deer." There's already enough blood in that photo to indicate that the eagle has been riding the back of the deer for a while, so why embellish the account by saying that something is happening which clearly happened off camera at an earlier time?
Do they teach people in journalism school to make stuff up when they don't understand what they see, or to ignore the meaning of the statements which they quote from their authoritative sources? They must, since it seems to be standard procedure among these folks.
Once again, I don't mean to minimize how spectacular this is, but the writer inadvertently put his own misunderstanding and/or desire to embellish things in the spotlight instead of the event itself.
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Must be one of Gandalf's eagle friends!|
Posted by: canoeswithduckheads on Sep-25-13 4:56 PM (EST)
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take their talon in fractals
in this piece meal mathematic play
but crunching whole numbers
there's not gift to lift encumbered
aerodynamic carried away
I, too, pretty much got out of this what Eric commented upon. An amazing three frames of some click-click-click spot cam, and, a dizzying, dis array or that array of potentials, depending on how one wishes to embellish it. No actual reporting on what other visual clues might have been available to the person that came upon that unfortunate deer's carcass. What did the tracks indicate? (Frantic run? Looping serpentine dash of mad fear and frenzy - who knows, maybe Bambi bam-bammed ole Aquila the Run upside a hickory, leaving one very dizzy eagle?) Lot of blood? Did deary exsanguinate? Did the eagle pick upon this potential meal/carcass with its beak after apparently fastening talons? Bleeding-out deer, hmm? Where's the wolf tracks?
I remember a Nature or National Geographic show about eagles on this planet, both now and per fossil evidence in the past. Per this show, apparently there was an eagle species at one time in Australia, conjectured per fossil evidence to have been big enough to carry off mid-size mammals. The shows dramatization of what appeared to me to be a Yaqui Indian woman (they dress up prettier than the Australian Aborigine, I suppose) under dive-bomb attack was, pun intended, really over-the-top.
We do love to sensationalize our predators. It's the Sharktopus syndrome, I suppose. Or maybe we're just tired of sensationalizing the "biggest" minded predator of all?
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Nomadic Eagle hunters ....|
Posted by: pilotwingz on Sep-26-13 10:30 AM (EST)
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..... in this vid. (about 2/3's the way through) , two Nomads send out their Eagles after a Wolf . It's definately a Wolf and a capable predetor in it's own right ... it ain't no goat on a cliff edge .
I agree about the "optimal prey" theory you mentioned , and agree that predetors in the wild are very cautious about their prey and it's ability to harm them . An injured predetor can easily become the prey of the day itself , and I believe they are very aware of that fact .
I really doubt on it's own accord , an untrained wild Eagle would attack a Wolf or see it as prey , but it's still amazing that they can be trained to do it .
Yeah GBG , I also believe those Goldens that pull the Goats off the cliff edges have been generationally trained by their parents and so forth . My guess , it is a geographically limited event , and developed by shear opportunity and survival need .
Agree , someone went to alot of trouble and effort to make the Goat/Eagle vid. , must of taken a great deal of time to get all those clips and splice them together . Can you imagine how long the photographer must have had to hang around that place ?? How much planning to get into position and stake out ... and wait ?? And the expense just to make such a vid. possible .
ps., ... totally agree with you about how the journalist in capefear's link went over the deep end by trying to "sensationalize" to event . The event itself is sensational enough w/o need of attempt to make it more than what it alrteady is .
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