Attaching Canoe to Yakima Racks
Posted by: bangorme on Aug-29-13 2:47 PM (EST)
I can't figure out how to do it. I've got the two straps that hook the bow and the stern to the ends of my truck, and I've got two straps to go from side to side over the canoe. The problem is that the canoe moves back and forth across the racks (side of the truck to side of the truck). I connect the two side straps off the ends of the rack, but there is always room for it to go side to side.
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Posted by: pblanc on Aug-29-13 3:11 PM (EST)
Buy a pair of Yakima gunwale brackets.
Posted by: deuce on Aug-29-13 3:32 PM (EST)
Those things are nice. Keep threatening to buy some, but I so often find myself with two canoes or a combo of canoe(s) and yak(s) I fear they'd often be in the way. I've found if the strapology is performed correctly the boat(s) won't wander, especially when I use a bow rope. Bangorme, since you've said you can't figure out how to do it I'll tell you how I do it and you can decide whether it works for you. Straps go over the boat, under the bar, back over the boat and under the bar nearest you with the cam buckle above the bar so you can pull down on the tag end of the strap. Repeat, cinch both straps, then tie a bow rope in an upside down V using a trucker's hitch. Again, that's just how I do it. There are other ways, but I find this one very simple and effective. Good luck, and prepare to be spanked for posting this in the discussion section LOL.
To add to what duece says, ...|
Posted by: Guideboatguy on Aug-29-13 4:02 PM (EST)
... it helps a lot to make your "upside-down V' for the rear tie-downs pull in the opposite direction from the upside-down V that's up front. If the ropes slope "uphill" from the front of the vehicle to the front of the boat, make the rear tie-downs slope uphill in the other direction, which means do NOT attach them to the rear of the boat. Attach them to a thwart that's forward of where the ropes attach to the vehicle.
Do you have saddles?|
Posted by: Kocho on Aug-29-13 3:39 PM (EST)
I mostly carry one kayak on Yakima Mako saddles and found that they work very well for a canoe too - right side up as you would carry a kayak. Mine are 5+ feet apar front to back and I spread them wide as much as neede to fit either the canoe or the kayak/surfski. Only drawback - the canoe will collect water if it is raining ...
Posted by: Guideboatguy on Aug-29-13 3:49 PM (EST)
Having trailered just a few canoes|
Posted by: kayamedic on Aug-29-13 4:14 PM (EST)
more miles than I care to remember, the key is running your straps over the boat and under the bar RIGHT next to the boat and then back over the boat and run under the bar right NEXT to the boat on the other side.. Not securing them to the ends of the bars! Essentaially you have a double strap going over the belly of the boat. Since you have two belly straps repeat further forward or aft.
Are you sure you are using the straps |
Posted by: JackL on Aug-29-13 4:15 PM (EST)
Yeah, that's the main thing.|
Posted by: Guideboatguy on Aug-29-13 7:13 PM (EST)
Somehow I missed that earlier. Jack, and everyone else who commented on this, has nailed it. The main reason your boat can slide around so much is because of the way you attach your straps. Arrange the straps as they've described and you'll be 90-percent of the way toward making the boat totally secure. Once you've done what they say, gunwale brackets or any of the methods I described will just be icing on the cake.
Like Kayamedic Said|
Posted by: wildernesswebb on Aug-29-13 4:54 PM (EST)
I find Yakima gunwale brackets to supply|
Posted by: g2d on Aug-29-13 5:13 PM (EST)
a stability and safety margin that justifies their price.
I like them when I have my 18'-6"|
Posted by: JackL on Aug-29-13 6:12 PM (EST)
29 pound ultralight comp cruiser on the roof on the interstate and a 18 wheeler comes flying by me 15MPH over the speed limit.
Posted by: wildernesswebb on Aug-29-13 6:43 PM (EST)
Those 18 wheeler drafts make you happy to have both "Belt and suspenders" (LOL)!
amen to you both|
Posted by: kayamedic on Aug-29-13 8:11 PM (EST)
I have the gunwale brackets on top of the truck. They not only stop lateral movement but because of curvature of gunwales, fore and aft movement.
Posted by: bangorme on Aug-29-13 8:28 PM (EST)
Thanks for all the ideas! I'm trying one now and we'll see how it holds tomorrow.
Gunwale Brackets and Load Stops|
Posted by: plaidpaddler on Aug-29-13 11:18 PM (EST)
When Yakima redesigned their gunwale brackets to fit the square bars racks from Sweden, they added a pair of straps and really upped the price.
I've been ridiculed for cutting down |
Posted by: g2d on Aug-31-13 11:51 AM (EST)
the height of my gunwale brackets and load stops, but no harm has ever come of it after years of use, and it does make it easier to solo load canoes without compromising the load stop function at all.
Makes good sense, actually|
Posted by: Guideboatguy on Aug-31-13 12:58 PM (EST)
If the gunwale stops were only half an inch high they'd still work fine. It's not like the gunwale is going to fold over on itself if there's not flush contact for its full height. Anyone who ridiculed you isn't thinking clearly.
one last thing ....|
Posted by: pilotwingz on Aug-29-13 11:30 PM (EST)
Posted by: plaidpaddler on Aug-30-13 10:29 AM (EST)
Guess i wasn't too clear. The Gunwale brackets will fit either round or square bars. The Load Stops only fit round bars.
good to know the original ........|
Posted by: pilotwingz on Aug-30-13 11:29 AM (EST)
...... Gunwhale brackets are still available for round bars . I chose them over the Load Stops because of their lower profile .
I Use Both on Our Two Racks|
Posted by: wildernesswebb on Aug-30-13 12:09 PM (EST)
We use the taller load stops on the inner, and the gunwale brackets on the outer; that's so you have a couple less inches to "Clear" when loading. Don't remember who gave me that idea, but it was someone on P.net.
Posted by: Mattt on Aug-30-13 8:24 AM (EST)
in addition to all that was said above - you can try a couple of different ideas to keep the canoe from sliding around. At Home Depot or wherever, find some pipe islulation with 1" inside hole. Tape a foot or so piece on to the cross bars where the gunwales will be- the pipe insul is soft and not slippery, so if it stays put on the bars, the boat will tend to stay put on the padding. you could also just tape some pieces of pool noodle to the bars, on the outside of where the gubnwales will sit (tape then hard and tight) - a do it yourself gunwale bracket
Everything should be inspected..|
Posted by: JackL on Aug-30-13 8:43 AM (EST)
One thing no one mentioned yet|
Posted by: somalley on Aug-30-13 10:08 AM (EST)
If you're not using brackets, loop the strap once around the bar before putting it into the cam buckle. Then, when you cinch the strap down, it not only grips the boat but also grips around the bar. This is way easier to show than describe, but I'll try:
Easier to Show....|
Posted by: wildernesswebb on Aug-30-13 12:04 PM (EST)
...than it is to tell isn't it? Good points!
Or how about this...|
Posted by: al_a on Aug-30-13 11:00 PM (EST)
Your canoe does not have to be centered side to side on the racks. Place the canoe on the racks so that the gunwale on one side is sitting just to the inside of where the towers on that side attach to the crossbars...even touching, but not sitting on, the part of the towers that are atop the crossbar. Then, starting from that side, toss the non-buckle end of the strap over the canoe, under the crossbar on the other side, and back over the canoe. Now you have both ends on the near side. Bring one end under the crossbar just to the inside of the tower, then bring it just to the outside of the tower, and back around the crossbar on the outside of the tower before cinching everything down. That way, the tower itself acts as a stop, and the canoe can't slide away from the tower in either direction. Just try to center the canoe front to back as perfectly as possible, so it will be pointing straight into the wind, and not slightly cocked.
Yakima gunwale brackets for sale|
Posted by: sapien on Aug-30-13 6:41 PM (EST)
I believe somewhere in my gear bin I have a set of 4 rarely used Yakima gunwale brackets, the old "load stop" design for round bars only. PM me
canoe haul options|
Posted by: willowleaf on Aug-31-13 10:02 AM (EST)
We have Yakima rails on the pickup truck and cap we mostly use for hauling the canoes. There are two options we use. For hauling one boat directly on the racks we slit a couple of foam pool noodles and slip them over the rails (I find the pool noodle foam holds up better than pipe insulation). This allows the gunwales to sort of "bite" into the rails once we tighten the straps (run down and over and back just like the others here have explained).
did ya get it figured out yet ??|
Posted by: pilotwingz on Aug-31-13 11:38 PM (EST)
...... if you don't have any , be a good idea to contact sapien about his used set of gunwhale brackets .