Posted by: old_user on Aug-06-08 4:05 PM (EST) Category: unassigned
just took my new kayak (wilderness systems tempest 170) out for a shakedown cruise. i played around with the various seat/foot peg adjustments until i found what i thought was a good fit. about 30 minutes in i start getting numbness and pain in my legs. i finish up and bring the boat in 30 minutes later and roll up on the boat ramp to exit. i get out of the boat and my legs collapse from underneath me! people are now staring. i stumble to my feet and somehow manage to pull the boat up the ramp and get it on my car. my legs were buzzing for a good 3 hours afterwards and i didn't feel 100% percent until the next morning. i guess i need specific advice on where the seat and foot pegs need to be before i subject myself to this again! help!
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Posted by: Kudzu on Aug-06-08 4:16 PM (EST)
I like Wilderness Systems boats because they PREVENT that kind of problem for me. Only thing I can come up with is you might have had the thigh support set too high. Try lower.
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Posted by: angell on Aug-06-08 4:26 PM (EST)
I'll leave it to the experts to advise you on having your legs flexed somewhat at the knees and having your knees and hips firmly against bracing pads for ideal fit . . .
A common problem to many|
Posted by: georgia_kayaker on Aug-06-08 4:40 PM (EST)
this is more of a nerve thing|
Posted by: old_user on Aug-06-08 4:51 PM (EST)
than a circulation thing. http://www.nswseakayaker.asn.au/magazine/48/skills.htm i need to find someone who's been through this and and get some specific advice.
Posted by: CTYaker on Aug-06-08 6:02 PM (EST)
I have a Tsunami 125 and had the same problem initially. Love the system 3 seating, but you've got to play around with the seat back, thigh support and foot pedals til you find the combo that gives you the most comfort for the longest stretch. I find that if I straighten out my legs and lift my butt off the seat every half hour or so, it mitigates the numbness. I can go almost two hours now before it sets in. Let's face it, the body doesn't like to be that still for that long unless its sleeping. Keep at it and you'll find the "sweet spot".
Posted by: pagayeur on Aug-06-08 6:34 PM (EST)
I don't reply to very many posts but I've had some major league nerve problems and this sounds as though it may be something more than just sitting in a kayack.
i've been in other kayaks|
Posted by: old_user on Aug-06-08 7:29 PM (EST)
without this problem occuring. it's only happening with this boat. i'll take 'er out this weekend and play around with the adjustments.
What usually works...|
Posted by: wavespinner on Aug-06-08 7:28 PM (EST)
...is support under the thighs. It can be anything from a paddle float or other cushion to a rolled up towel. This spreads the support of your body weight and takes some of the pressure off blood vessels and nerves.
Maybe try a wheelchair....|
Posted by: bilnik on Aug-06-08 7:46 PM (EST)
A folding one maybe?
play around with it|
Posted by: paddlemore on Aug-06-08 8:43 PM (EST)
I would start with all of the adjustments set very 'loose' and then one by one adjust them. I would probably start with the foot pegs. Once you set the first adjustment paddle for a while and see if you get any numbness. If you don't - move on to the next adjustment.
I've had this problem too...|
Posted by: old_user on Aug-06-08 10:02 PM (EST)
I had the same issue and did|
Posted by: string on Aug-06-08 11:17 PM (EST)
everything suggested. none of it worked. I now paddle a canoe.
Also have tempest with this problem|
Posted by: old_user on Aug-07-08 1:07 AM (EST)
I had the same problem with my Tempest 170. You have to crank on the strap that raises up the front part of the seat to give your thighs support.
Posted by: string on Aug-07-08 8:43 AM (EST)
In the Brent Reitz forward paddling video,he devotes a lot of time to stretching specifically to alleviate the numbness issue. A lot of it is caused by tight hamstrings.
Posted by: improziv on Aug-07-08 10:55 AM (EST)
On many trips, I have some numbness in my right foot. After getting the same advice, I started doing serious stretching before I get into the boat and I can really tell the difference. It works well for me
Try leg action!|
Posted by: kocho on Aug-07-08 9:29 AM (EST)
Try legal action!|
Posted by: old_user on Aug-07-08 10:50 AM (EST)
(that's how I first mis-read your post! ;-)
You might consider trying the following|
Posted by: old_user on Aug-07-08 9:37 AM (EST)
Posted by: LeeG on Aug-07-08 11:49 AM (EST)
review the other boats you've paddled where this hasn't happened and reproduce their seats. It's possible that the immediate area to the side of your sit bones doesn't have adequate support and laying in some small triagle wedges in the sides might make a slight difference.
consult an ortho|
Posted by: old_user on Aug-07-08 12:03 PM (EST)
you may have a bulging or compressed disc causing the problem. Tingling and loss of feeling in the legs and ankles is very common with damage to the lower vertabrae, and sitting for long periods in the same postion definitely aggravates it.
The other day I paddled with a woman|
Posted by: georgia_kayaker on Aug-07-08 12:24 PM (EST)
my legs went numb, my heart started racing and I started sweating
Must be a pressure point|
Posted by: pikabike on Aug-07-08 1:55 PM (EST)
I found the Tempest very comfortable for hours, no problems. On my previous boat, a S&G I built from a kit, the hand-carved minicell seat took a few trial-and-error tweaks before it was comfortable. The pressure points were very small (not obvious), but after a couple of hours they made my butt/upper legs numb. After a couple of rounds of shaving minicell, I got it to feel right.
Richard the Goat|
Posted by: string on Aug-07-08 2:27 PM (EST)
Posted by: old_user on Aug-07-08 3:12 PM (EST)
i appreciate everyone's input. hopefully get some good weather saturday on the island here and i'll get to adjustin'/paddin'!
Posted by: old_user on Aug-08-08 10:36 AM (EST)
I read thru the msgs and agree that the first thing to consider is if it only happens when paddling.
Ive paddled a T170 for 5 years now|
Posted by: jonsprag1 on Aug-08-08 3:27 PM (EST)
and before that 3 other boats---the seat in the 170 was the most comfortable by far---and I can stay in it without pain or numbness for up to two hours---that said, almost everybody, particularly those of us of a "certain age", experiences some numbness after they have been in a kayak seat for a long enough period of time.
no other problems...|
Posted by: old_user on Aug-08-08 9:01 PM (EST)
and not even with other boats. i used to borrow my landlord's carolina and never had a problem. this is unique to paddling this boat. i'm heading out tomorrow with some experienced people and will spend some time fiddlin' with fit.
removing the back strap|
Posted by: old_user on Aug-08-08 9:49 PM (EST)
was the best thing I ever did to my boat. Every hour or so I lean back on the back combing and pick my butt all the way up and let the circulation flow.
good idea let us know how it goes.|
Posted by: jonsprag1 on Aug-09-08 8:00 PM (EST)
moving in the right direction|
Posted by: old_user on Aug-10-08 1:18 PM (EST)
ok, so i had the foot pegs too close to me so i moved 'em out a bit. also raised the front of the seat (this seat has a lot of adjustments) a lot and it seemed to alleviate the problem. i saw a guy out there with a customized cockpit that had a pad for every little contact point. now i have cockpit envy.