SINK vs. SOT
Posted by: old_user on Jun-22-08 9:20 AM (EST) Category: Kayaks
I'm familiar with the anatomical differences. My question is more philosophical. Given the user-friendliness of SOTs, why choose a SINK over an SOT?
Here's why I'm asking: I'm going to be introducing a friend to kayaking soon and have two SINKs which come with a steeper learning curve (having to learn a wet exit, the challenge of emptying and reentering your boat, etc.). In this day in age, why do SINKs even exist?
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Posted by: gibsonra on Jun-22-08 9:29 AM (EST)
Sun protection, cold protection and paddling in the rain. Also, SOTs tend to be wider because your weight is further above the water line. Wider means slower.
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Posted by: old_user on Jun-22-08 9:41 AM (EST)
Cause some people want performance over boredom and safety.
Posted by: seadart on Jun-22-08 1:42 PM (EST)
Posted by: old_user on Jun-23-08 12:54 PM (EST)
cold protection & paddling in the rain|
Posted by: old_user on Jun-22-08 9:51 AM (EST)
Hauling all my camping gear|
Posted by: toesnorth on Jun-22-08 10:44 AM (EST)
comes to mind. I like both and I usually put guests on the SOTs.
Posted by: old_user on Jun-22-08 1:14 PM (EST)
I guess I was thinking about for a beginner (who wouldn't be going on a trip)
Easier to paddle, handle rought water|
Posted by: old_user on Jun-22-08 11:06 AM (EST)
better. I go faster and further per stroke than I ever did on a SOT.
WE STARTED IN SOTs, STILL HAVE BOTH|
Posted by: ScupperFrank on Jun-22-08 11:30 AM (EST)
We went to SINKs because they're usually more efficient and therefore easier to paddle and/or faster. The longer the distance, the more the payoff in terms of not wearing out the paddler at paddle's end. And in mixed groups, it's the ability to keep up with paddlers in more efficient boats that recommends the SINKs.
lots of reasons I suppose|
Posted by: paddlemore on Jun-22-08 11:34 AM (EST)
the biggest ones would be personal preference and paddling style.
personal preference :-)|
Posted by: old_user on Jun-22-08 1:16 PM (EST)
"What do you MEAN you don't like sweet-and-sour pork?!"
Posted by: paddletothesea on Jun-22-08 11:57 AM (EST)
The same differences as a convertable car and non convertable. Sometimes its a real bitch driving my mustang convertable in tornados, hailstorms, downpours, and blinding snowstorms.
it would be a bitch|
Posted by: old_user on Jun-22-08 1:30 PM (EST)
paddling anything in a tornado, hailstorm, or blinding snow
SOT's have a higher center of gravity|
Posted by: old_user on Jun-22-08 2:01 PM (EST)
which usually needs to be overcome with a wide beam.
Posted by: Barracuda on Jun-23-08 12:56 PM (EST)
When you wipe out coming back to the beach in heavy surf, its easier/safer to just bail. Its too shallow to roll coming up on the beach
it's never too shallow to roll|
Posted by: CapeFear on Jun-25-08 11:58 AM (EST)
It has nothing to do with sink/sot, just hopefully a useful suggestion in response to rolling in shallow water. Go find some shallow water where your head or back will be on the bottom and practice rolling up. If you can roll in deep water, you'll likely find it's easy to figure something out. This practice will prove valuable if you spend any time in surf. I'm sure with most whitewater paddlers these skills go without saying. In either case, it can make life easier, more fun, and can potentially give you another added margin of safety.
in shallow water surf|
Posted by: jonsprag1 on Jun-25-08 1:48 PM (EST)
just be sure to wear a helmet if you think you want to roll. When I used to do white water there were more than a few times I was glad I had one on.
SOT v. SINK|
Posted by: old_user on Jun-23-08 1:03 PM (EST)
Posted by: old_user on Jun-23-08 1:24 PM (EST)
it depends on the SOT, the Tarpon 160, is the match for most equivalent sinks. yeah something like a QCC-600 or 700 is faster, but when I am tooling around the swamp, or surfing waves I love the tarpon, its NOT a surf boat, but still fun in the surf. as for weather protection, you dress the same no matter WHAT kind of boat you paddle. except i put on more sunscreen in the summer when on the SOT.
That is a LOT of sunscreen.|
Posted by: String on Jun-23-08 2:28 PM (EST)
Posted by: old_user on Jun-23-08 3:13 PM (EST)
*L* beats getting a sun burn. I lead a trip this weekend, the "Trip-Loop" just barely had enough water to accommodate us.
Posted by: old_user on Jun-23-08 4:14 PM (EST)
Check out the Ocean Kayak 15'|
Posted by: jimx200 on Jun-23-08 4:27 PM (EST)
kayak, it's actually 15'4" and at 56lbs, pretty manageable.
The SOTs are often wider|
Posted by: jimyaker on Jun-25-08 2:10 AM (EST)
but there are a handful in between the 28" rec boats and the 19" wide surf skis that are not impossible for the first timer or too boring for those with a need for speed.
Posted by: angstrom on Jun-25-08 11:27 AM (EST)
With most SINKs, adding gear makes them more stable. Unless the SOT has significant in-hull storage, adding gear will tend to make it less stable because it's adding weight above the waterline.
Posted by: seadart on Jun-25-08 11:44 AM (EST)
SOTs for carrying gear have hatches just like sinks.
Sinks tend to have more storage|
Posted by: old_user on Jun-25-08 12:25 PM (EST)
yeah but they are smaller and can't|
Posted by: jonsprag1 on Jun-25-08 1:26 PM (EST)
hold as much stuff---I can put 7 days of food, water and all my camping gear in my sink---I've never seen a an sot that could hold so much.
sink vs sot|
Posted by: old_user on Jun-25-08 2:42 PM (EST)
My malibu xfactor can hold 7 days worth of gear, food and water. IT has tons of storage.
Seakayak SINK holds more|
Posted by: old_user on Jun-25-08 2:52 PM (EST)
well at 6'5" and 400 lbs|
Posted by: jonsprag1 on Jun-25-08 9:45 PM (EST)
Sot's vs Kayaks|
Posted by: JayBabina on Jun-26-08 4:06 PM (EST)
In a kayak, your entire lower body is in a protective chamber which keeps it warmer in cold water / weather but it is also below the water line. Being below the water line allows for more stability than being above the waterline for the same width craft. Being below the water line also allows for certain leaning techniques and bracing to be used more easily. I personally like the feeling of being in a kayak more than sitting on a slab. I always feel quite disconnected from the water on a SOT. A lot of people buy beginner SOT's because they fear entrapment. On the other end it seems that paddlers who want to paddle fast often buy a SOT racer. I don't think SOT's are kayaks. They are slabs that paddlers paddle with a kayak paddle. If a person likes the feeling of sitting above the water, than to each their own. As far as more learning curve with a kayak?? - when a group of us do rescue duty at symposiums, the greater % of who we drag out of the water are SOTs.
So, I should call my|
Posted by: jimyaker on Jun-26-08 4:33 PM (EST)
Manta Ray a paddling slab? How about a "cheapo plastic, foreign oil consuming, wide arse accepting, paddling slab?"
uses for both|
Posted by: Beanboy on Jun-26-08 5:44 PM (EST)
Being a canoe fan at heart, I never liked being IN a boat, but at the time, the Manitou 13 fit my needs and after getting used to it, I was fine.
Posted by: old_user on Jun-26-08 7:04 PM (EST)
Posted by: old_user on Jun-26-08 7:06 PM (EST)
My SOT has lots of storage. There's the front hatch and behind me is a small hatch that has a.....sock? You can put things in it w/o them falling to the bottom of the kayak, making things in there easily accesible when kayaking.
Jaybabs...if SOT's are not kayaks|
Posted by: jimx200 on Jun-26-08 9:21 PM (EST)
but "slabs" (your word), couldn't a sink also be called a tube, chamber, tunnel, tomb, etc.? Lol. You should warn the various search/rescue units and lifeguards across the country who use SOT's on a regular basis for rescue operations that they are using the wrong craft.
Posted by: tsunamichuck on Jun-26-08 10:57 PM (EST)
a kayak is a boat made of skin over a frame with single cockpit. Made of plastic or composite, it is a canoe. Surfskis are not kayaks and neither are other sit on tops. Not degrading any craft just splitting hairs.
Posted by: seadart on Jun-26-08 11:35 PM (EST)