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  who makes the best plastic sea kayak
  Posted by: rtw73 on Jan-29-08 5:45 PM (EST)
   Category: Kayaks 

I'm 5'11" 200 lbs and looking for a good stable plastic sea kayak for paddling the bay of fundy I have been paddling an old prijon boat for a couple o years I love it but it is not a sea kayak. my short list is, boreal designs inukshuk
cd sorroco, ws tempest17 or tsunami 17.5, prijon kodiak.
thanks

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  Consider Valley and P&H
  Posted by: wilsoj2 on Jan-29-08 5:58 PM (EST)
Valley makes very good plastic sea kayaks. You might consider a RM Aquanaut or Nordkapp.

As I recall Wilderness Systems considers the Tsunamis to be 'transitional' boats. They don't seem intended for serious seas...
 
 
  ??
  Posted by: old_user on Jan-30-08 10:16 AM (EST)
-- Last Updated: Jan-30-08 10:22 AM EST --

"As I recall Wilderness Systems considers the Tsunamis to be 'transitional' boats. They don't seem intended for serious seas..."

are you serious about 'serious' seas??

=:-0)

The Tsunamis have proven well in all the same conditions including BIG seas, surf, wind, etc. in fact for technical rock gardens and surf the TS 120 is a hoot. The longer 160-165-175 are straighter tracking and demand a little more attention and work in maneuvering than say a Tempest, but handle the conditions fine.

steve

 
 
  Transitional Touring is Wildy's own term
  Posted by: wilsoj2 on Jan-30-08 12:07 PM (EST)
I was writing from memory, but having been questioned, I checked Wilderness Systems' site and the Tsunamis are termed 'Transitional Touring.'

http://www.wildernesssystems.com/wilderness-systems-product-group/transitional-touring

If they are intended for big seas, why are they called 'transitional'?
 
 
  "Transitional"
  Posted by: Celia on Jan-30-08 12:28 PM (EST)
-- Last Updated: Jan-30-08 6:26 PM EST --

For refernce sake - when we got our first kayaks "transitional" had a pretty specific meaning for both the guys in the kayak shop we purchased the boats from (a very solid shop whose owner has since taken his messed up back from lifting boats into another business venture) as well as descriptions by Dagger and maybe a couple of others.

The meaning that I had for "transitional" was a boat which was able to perform in conditions in the right hands, but due to its features and/or design was not intended to do serious tripping out on big water. In the case of our boats, it meant only one sealed bulkhead, a hull that was much better suited to a 180 than a 360 degree roll, fairly large cockpit with optional thigh hooks and limited rigging. Length was 13 ft.

Due to some unexpected weather changes we had an opportunity to test these boats out in significant conditions. And I agree that this was not what these boats were designed for - we made landfall but I don't think I took a a full breath for about a mile of a crash course in surfing. It wasn't comforting.

My recollection is that the "touring" name was mostly being used for boats closer to the 16 ft range and with more features. The original Tempest, with the early imploding hatch covers and the brand shiny new adjustable thigh brace system, was barely out and it was a measure of this shop that they had one.

 
 
  Standard meaning
  Posted by: old_user on Jan-30-08 12:44 PM (EST)

"The meaning that I had for "transitional" was a boat which was able to perform in conditions in the right hands, but due to its features and/or design was not intended to do serious tripping out on big water."

That's a fairly standard meaning for "transitional" but it doesn't appear to characterize the Tsunami 17.5 (which would seem to be quite well suited for "serious tripping").
 
 
  perform in conditions in the right hands
  Posted by: wilsoj2 on Jan-30-08 3:52 PM (EST)
Well, isn't that just about any boat?

A Swifty can peform in conditions in the right hands.

An advanced paddler can do amazing things in conditions in boats of not optimal design for such.

I'm guessing the design intent of the Tsunamis was not to sell to 5* paddlers. I would guess if the Tsunamis were intended for use by highly skilled paddlers in advanced conditions, we would see Flatpick, and other very skilled Wildy paddlers, paddling them more often.


 
 
  well now..........
  Posted by: old_user on Jan-30-08 5:24 PM (EST)
http://tinyurl.com/2ozkpz

enjoy. one of these was the cover of AT catalog and was made into a tshirt design.

transitional smansitional...it's a stupid term.

steve
 
 
  Steve
  Posted by: LeeG on Feb-01-08 1:26 PM (EST)
do ever get in trouble from the marketing folks?
 
 
  nope
  Posted by: old_user on Feb-02-08 8:20 AM (EST)
They know I shoot from the hip.

and that I know my stuff. :-)

steve
 
 
  Not a Switfy
  Posted by: old_user on Jan-30-08 6:30 PM (EST)
-- Last Updated: Jan-30-08 6:54 PM EST --

"A Swifty can peform in conditions in the right hands."

The Tsunami 17.5 isn't a Swifty. It's not that much different than a Tempest 17.

Even the Tsunami 120 manages (somehow) to have a front and rear bulkheads.

"An advanced paddler can do amazing things in conditions in boats of not optimal design for such."

What boat is "optimal" for conditions?

If there is some property about a boat that you don't think suits it for something, be specific about it. It seems that most of the concern about "transitional" is snobbishness.

 
 
  Mea Culpa
  Posted by: wilsoj2 on Jan-30-08 8:30 PM (EST)
-- Last Updated: Jan-31-08 10:05 AM EST --

It appears that I have been 'snobbish' in thinking that the Tempest is more optimal for big seas than the Tsunami. A number here, including the designer, seem to feel a Tsunami can perform in big seas as well as a Tempest.

So, is Wildy being disingenuous in terming the Tsunami 'Transitional Touring' while referring to the Tempest as 'Performance Touring'?

I guess I should refrain in the future from recommending the Tempest over the Tsunami for paddlers interested in paddling big water, challenging seas and advancing their skills.

BTW: I've been in a Tsunami, and would sure feel more confident in any number of other boats in big seas. The big cockpit and volume of the boat and lack of liveliness made me feel less in control than many sea kayaks. I'm afraid for my money, I'd rather a Tempest for conditions than a Tsunami, but I guess I'm just a fool or snob ;-)

 
 
  yeah right......
  Posted by: old_user on Jan-31-08 7:40 AM (EST)
that's just what I said.

=:-0)

not.

steve
 
 
  The Tsunamis have proven well in all...
  Posted by: wilsoj2 on Jan-31-08 8:51 AM (EST)
-- Last Updated: Jan-31-08 11:58 AM EST --

"The Tsunamis have proven well in all the same conditions..." -Flatpick

 
 
  I feel
  Posted by: old_user on Jan-31-08 9:51 AM (EST)
like I'm chasing my tail.


steve
 
 
  today on springer transitional vs perfor
  Posted by: rtw73 on Jan-31-08 10:33 AM (EST)
hi I tried to ask really specific questions,
in regards to these two boats.
transitional performance whatever.
I'm more interested in technical info than personal opinion in regards to transitional vs performance.I don't care if it is a transitional boat. It wont matter what anybody calls the kayak when I'm in the middle of nowhere in rough seas. I should have specified that the qestion was for steve.
thanks.
 
 
  You need to try boats
  Posted by: old_user on Jan-31-08 2:26 PM (EST)
All of the boats you listed are good boats.

You need to try them out and then come back with questions.
 
 
  Mea Maxima Culpa
  Posted by: wilsoj2 on Jan-31-08 11:53 AM (EST)
 
 
  Steve / Flatpick
  Posted by: salty on Feb-01-08 10:10 PM (EST)
Were we like this?? Maybe 20 years ago??
BTW I'm a 6 star at the local Thai restaurant!
 
 
  not me!!!!
  Posted by: old_user on Feb-02-08 8:23 AM (EST)
;-)

my favorite Indian digs (Saffron in Greenville, SC) has a special, off the chart, xtra hot for me. first couple times I had to get approval from Rita the owner before the cooks'd make it!

we gotta do dinner some time!!!!

steve
 
 
  I think the point is they are different
  Posted by: paddlemore on Jan-31-08 11:21 AM (EST)
but the Tsunami is capable.

Wilderness Systems logic makes since to me. The 'Rec' market is huge right now, but you have people who might be ready to move on to a different type of kayak but don't want a full blown sea kayak. So they see the name transitional touring and think that is perfect for me. In my experience a lot of people look for a kayak that is good on flat water but also open ocean - something that will allow them to transition easily between the two. A full blown sea kayak might be too much for them to handle (in their minds) so the Transitional Touring label creates and fills a market niche.
 
 
  Transitional Touring label fills a niche
  Posted by: wilsoj2 on Jan-31-08 11:43 AM (EST)
-- Last Updated: Jan-31-08 11:55 AM EST --

Yes. There have been 'transition' boats around for a long time. They are wanted by many moving from rec boats, but not yet ready to go to a full sea kayak. I think that is their design intent. I think they are therfore 'optimal' for that market segment and use.

Someone who has only paddled at 26+ inch wide rec boat is likely to be made uncomfortable in a 19-21.5" wide sea kayak. This is where boats such as the Tsunami come into play. They are 'optimal' for paddlers venturing into somewhat bigger waters than before and covering greater distances.

 
 
  Overlap
  Posted by: old_user on Jan-31-08 2:33 PM (EST)
-- Last Updated: Jan-31-08 2:35 PM EST --


There's a fair amount of overlap in performance between the similar-sized Tsunami and the Tempest.

The "transitional" label implies that there is -more- of a difference than there actually is.

There are various general properties of boats.

1) Hull shape.
2) Length.
3) Cockpit size.
4) The seat.
5) Foredeck volume (where your thighs are).
6) Construction/outfitting.

If the Tsunami is "transitional", it's transitional because of 3, 4, and 5, and maybe (for the shorter ones) 2.

 
 
  tsunami
  Posted by: rtw73 on Jan-31-08 6:05 PM (EST)
has a different hull shape also.
 
 
  Yes, it's different
  Posted by: old_user on Jan-31-08 6:31 PM (EST)
-- Last Updated: Jan-31-08 6:38 PM EST --

"has a different hull shape also"

Yes, of course, it's different.

Still, it's not clear to me that the Tsunami hull is overly "transitional".

For example, it's not clear that the hull is any more stable than a NDK Explorer (which no one conciders a "transitional" sea kayak).

There is a fairly wide range of stabilities in non-transitional sea kayak hulls. It doesn't seem that the Tsunami is out of this range.

My point is that there isn't much guidance in the term "transitional".

Anyway, there really is not much value is asking what boat is the "best".

 
 
  thanks
  Posted by: rtw73 on Feb-01-08 4:30 PM (EST)
well I went down to my local dealer purcahsed my new tempest17. The tsunami 175 felt huge and loose to sit in. while the tempest feels more like an extension of my body thanks for all of the many opinions regarding any of it. I feel confident with the choice that I made. should be a real step up from sea kayaking in a prijon taifun.
bye bye.
 
 
  Good choice
  Posted by: old_user on Feb-01-08 6:21 PM (EST)

The Tempest is a great boat.
 
 
  Congrats. Paddle the heck out of it.
  Posted by: yanoer on Feb-01-08 10:03 PM (EST)
 
 
  Enjoy it!
  Posted by: wilsoj2 on Feb-02-08 7:17 AM (EST)
 
 
  very cool!
  Posted by: old_user on Feb-02-08 8:24 AM (EST)
congrads and have fun!

steve
 
 
  will do
  Posted by: rtw73 on Feb-02-08 1:57 PM (EST)
the tsunami 175 is alot o yak tempest fits nice.
like a glove.
cheers.
 
 
  More
  Posted by: old_user on Jan-31-08 2:23 PM (EST)
-- Last Updated: Jan-31-08 2:47 PM EST --

"I'm afraid for my money, I'd rather a Tempest for conditions than a Tsunami, but I guess I'm just a fool or snob ;-)"

It's certainly just fine for people to prefer one boat over another. Let's not get too hung up on the "transitional" label and discuss real and specific reasons a boat has (or doesn't have) desireable characteristics for a particular purpose.

It would appear that the Tsunami 17.5 would be much better choice for someone heavy/large than the Tempest 17. (I don't mean that the boat is only for such a person.) If that is the case, clearly, the Tempest isn't "optimal" (no boat is "optimal" for all persons).

 
 
  'no boat is "optimal" for all persons'
  Posted by: wilsoj2 on Feb-01-08 1:13 PM (EST)
Agreed.

As with everything else - it depends ;-)

 
 
  Funny, I asked this question
  Posted by: old_user on Jan-31-08 11:49 AM (EST)
to a couple of my fellow instructors only about a week ago. The only real clarification I received was that the Tsunami was developed for a larger paddling group. I assume, which could be entirely incorrect that the tsunami is designed for the new paddler as well as being more than capable in the hands of we'll say a more advanced paddler. But couldn't the same be said about ALOT of the boats on the market?

Also, the Tsunami line extends into the shorter lengths of 'touring' kayaking, while the tempest, I beleive starts at a sixteen?

I myself have only had opportunities to paddle the Tsunami on flatwater. Each time I decide totake it out to try it I cant find any 'conditions' other than flat. However, during the symposium this past summer, during one of our instructors courses, one of my fellow students did use a tsunami 165RM and had just spent a week in Tofino with it. He loved it. And I'll be the first to tell you, he handled it just fine, during rolling sessions, edging, bracing and rescues.

I just realized I've really added nothing to this conversation ;P

James
 
 
  Seems about right to me
  Posted by: old_user on Jan-31-08 2:45 PM (EST)
What you said makes sense to me. (And you were not hung up on the "transitional" word.)
 
 
  Tsunami
  Posted by: old_user on Jan-30-08 12:13 PM (EST)
-- Last Updated: Jan-30-08 12:38 PM EST --

Alas, it's Wilderness Systems that calls the Tsunamis "transitional" (whatever that means).

http://www.wildernesssystems.com/wilderness-systems-product-group/transitional-touring

Anyway, I'd trust Flatpick's assesment of the boats rather than WS directly! (Yes, Flatpick works for WS but provides honest advice.)

=========

"If they are intended for big seas, why are they called 'transitional'?"

I'd guess it is mostly marketing. The Tsunamis and the Tempests are "similar" boats. By distinguishing one as "transitional" and the other as "performance", WS can change less for one and more for the other and attract the price-conscious put-off by expensive "performance" boats and attract the "snobs" put-off by the "transitional" boats.

Put another way, if they were in the same class, they would be competing against each other in the same pool of potential buyers. If they were both "performance" boats, it would be rather hard and confusing to explain the differences.

There is much more useful information in Flatpick's replies than on the web page.

=========

Comparing the 17 foot Tsunami and Tempests, the Tsunami is a bit wider (24 v 22 inches) and has more volume/capacity (400lb vs 300lb). It appears the Tsunami has a higher seat back too (which will tend to be less appealing to more experienced kayakers). Often, "performance" sea kayaks have a smaller cockit opening (I don't know if that's the case here). Also, there tends to be less fore deck height (ie, less room for your thighs) in "performance" sea kayaks.

There is probably a fair amount of overlap in performance.

 
 
  ditto:marketing
  Posted by: LeeG on Jan-30-08 2:14 PM (EST)
-- Last Updated: Jan-30-08 2:19 PM EST --

there is no such animal as a "transitional" kayak.

It's a way to sell a kayak with near rec. like stability, seat back and roominess but LOOK like a sea kayak with three black things(hatches).

Anyone putting in a day hatch with no intervening bulkhead (shorter Tsunamis) is playing with appearances.

How does one do a basic rescue with the PhaseIII seat? The low aft deck obviously implies ease of rescue.

I think the Pamlico 145 should be upgraded to Elite Recreational, it's really not a Pamlico.

 
 
  Seats
  Posted by: old_user on Jan-30-08 6:32 PM (EST)
-- Last Updated: Jan-30-08 6:38 PM EST --

"How does one do a basic rescue with the PhaseIII seat? The low aft deck obviously implies ease of rescue."

The seat back in the Tsunamis are too high (In my opinion). I think it can be easily replaced.

WS used to put high-back seats in even their "professional" boats (eg, Epic).

 
 
  lemme see
  Posted by: rtw73 on Jan-31-08 9:27 AM (EST)
so as far as I can see, the tsunami175 will handle all the same conditions but is just a little less responsive I'm geussing higher inital stability. how about secondary stability?
higher volume. to what degree would the diference in perfomace be? responsiveness or whatever. also can you give me some pro's and or cons comparing a rudder system to a drop down skeg.
thanks for your time
all of this information will really help me with choosing a yak.
cheers.
 
 
  Try them
  Posted by: old_user on Jan-31-08 2:42 PM (EST)
-- Last Updated: Jan-31-08 2:49 PM EST --

Try them. You need to have some idea of the properties (eg, manueverable or strong tracking) YOU want in a boat.

All of the boats you mentioned are good boats.

The Tsunami 17.5 would certainly be a better choice than the Tempest for some one heavy or larger.

At your size, the choice between the two would be more preference.

It looks like the Tsunami has more volume than you need. (That may also be the case for the Boreal you mentioned.)

The problem with volume is that there is more windage if you aren't loading it with a lot of weight (eg, during day trips).

 
 
  best boat ! hard Q !
  Posted by: trout on Jan-29-08 6:18 PM (EST)
hello...i'd like to refer you to the post by rtw73.. i believe that post is on page 2 by now. under.."prijon or wilderness" post , that person is also paddling bay of fundy area , might be worth reading if u haven't read that post already. best plastic boat is the one you can afford. what price range can u afford? that might help other posters narrow the field down and recommend a boat to you in the length and price range. as seems the caveat in pnet ...paddle the boats 1st, if possible , then decide. the boreal,kodiak or CD would be the best i think.
 
 
  oops stoopid me !!
  Posted by: trout on Jan-29-08 6:22 PM (EST)
hi rtw...i didn't bother to read who posted this thread ..sorry ....when i went back and looked i seen your name , sooooooo...disregard my advice on reading your older post.
 
 
  I would go with the tempest
  Posted by: paddlemore on Jan-29-08 6:32 PM (EST)
I am not a huge fan of the Sirocco or the Kodiak/Seayak. The Prijon boats have great plastic but I don't like the way they handle.

And I think at that length I would go with the tempest over the tsunami.

But really paddle all of the boats first.
 
 
  I would go with the Sirocco
  Posted by: old_user on Jan-29-08 7:00 PM (EST)
Unlike the poster above me, I am a huge fan of the Sirocco, and--unlike the poster below me--I find it an incredibly stable boat, so long as you're in the boat (and not scrambling).

On the other hand, your original question was who makes the best plastic boat. The answer to that is clear: For the best plastic, for the best construction, it's Valley or P&H all the way. But take a number and get in line. You should get yours by 2009.
 
 
  ditto
  Posted by: jonsprag1 on Jan-30-08 2:23 PM (EST)
w/s tempest has my vote---in addition to the design I really like the quality of the workmenship---particularly the seating system
 
 
  stable compared to what?
  Posted by: LeeG on Jan-29-08 6:34 PM (EST)
The Tsunami 17 and a Necky Looksha 17 are stable compared to the scirocco and Tempest. Not sure how the Kodiak fits in there.
 
 
  I like the Valley Skerray RMX
  Posted by: schizopak on Jan-29-08 6:59 PM (EST)
-- Last Updated: Jan-29-08 7:00 PM EST --

...for someone your size. It's super manueverable, has decent speed, and it is a nice roller.

 
 
  This has already been answered 4 u.
  Posted by: Cd1 on Jan-29-08 8:01 PM (EST)
-- Last Updated: Jan-29-08 8:12 PM EST --

Unanimously.


http://www.paddling.net/message/showThread.html?fid=advice&tid=807551


And I also agree with schizopak above, Valley has impeccable plastic.

 
 
  Aquanaut HV RM?
  Posted by: angstrom on Jan-29-08 8:37 PM (EST)
-- Last Updated: Jan-29-08 8:41 PM EST --

http://www.valleyseakayaks.com/aquanauthvpoly.htm

or Capella RM 166?
http://www.phseakayaks.com/osb/itemdetails.cfm?ID=8

 
 
  Try the Tempest last
  Posted by: old_user on Jan-29-08 8:48 PM (EST)
as that is the one you will love to paddle, its a great boat.
 
 
  Tempest owners, question
  Posted by: LeeG on Jan-29-08 9:24 PM (EST)
are your aft hatches waterproof and secure during rescues? Curious if that's no longer a problem.
 
 
  Tempest 165 big back hatch
  Posted by: old_user on Jan-30-08 7:05 AM (EST)
..leaks in my RM boat. It was produced at the end of 2006. The back hatch has dislodged/blown in the surf zone, leaving the back compartment like a bath tub - full of water! I'm a little disappointed in this aspect of this great, all round paddling kayak.
I've just been sent more epoxy and am going to fabricate a lid to fit over back hatch, secured on with straps. Hopefully this will fix the normal couple cups of water/leakage into the compartment it gets after rolling/wave play as well.

I've conducted a test by filling both the day & back compartments (these are the only ones which leak) full with dyed water and the results were that the hatches leaked. (skeg cable through bulkheads leaked a bit and were caulked)


 
 
  I wonder
  Posted by: LeeG on Jan-30-08 7:17 AM (EST)
if a glassed piece of 4mm plywood with a flange to fit right over the rubber one and straps going from deck line to deck line across the top would solve it.
 
 
  Rube Goldberg device
  Posted by: old_user on Jan-30-08 7:08 PM (EST)
 
 
  Ply wood lid
  Posted by: old_user on Jan-31-08 7:42 PM (EST)
-- Last Updated: Jan-31-08 8:06 PM EST --

works well and I just layed up the new lid with flange -layer of 6oz glass over ply, 4 layers for flange. Going with bolted straps as I thought it may put more downward pressure on the very sides of the rubber lid where water has the best chance of getting in.

Not the best to drill more holes in the boat but it'll be 'peace of mind' in the surfy stuff. Could buy a composite T with the kajak sport hatches but I ain't got the spare dough.

Here's a link to a pic of the still curring lid. The wood blocks create a channel for guiding the straps.

http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2704193670102205750Jyiyhb

Tony

 
 
  aha!
  Posted by: LeeG on Jan-31-08 7:47 PM (EST)
I knew someone would figure it out.
 
 
  I've
  Posted by: jonsprag1 on Jan-31-08 10:56 AM (EST)
done plenty of rolling practice and paddled in lots of rough water(but little breaking surf) I had a problem initially with water in the rear hatch/hold which I fixed by tightening the nut on the skeg and by ensuring a proper seal on the top of the hatch cover---use the heel of my palm to pound around the edge of the cover to make sure it fits over the lip of the hatch all the way around and then put the bungee around it. If I always do that I have no problems with water.
 
 
  Prijon Kodiak
  Posted by: seadart on Jan-29-08 9:34 PM (EST)
I've paddled the Kodiak on coastal paddles on the pacific side of Baja. I think it is a pretty good boat for a heavier paddler if you want to carry gear and go exploring. It handled well in choppy waves and playing in some rock gardens.

The hatch covers were cheap and the rudder cable broke at the foot peddle, but it was a well used rental boat.
 
 
  The hatch covers were cheap?...
  Posted by: rroberts on Jan-29-08 9:59 PM (EST)
-- Last Updated: Jan-29-08 9:59 PM EST --



...did they have the neo hatch covers under the hard plastic "flaps"?

My Barracuda brings stuff back drier than they
started out to be.

OK. That's an exaggeration.


Added via edit.

I suspect that you just got a badly used one.

 
 
  Another prijon...
  Posted by: rroberts on Jan-29-08 10:00 PM (EST)



...to look at is the Touryak.

 
 
  Maybe a little more info?
  Posted by: Celia on Jan-29-08 11:05 PM (EST)
-- Last Updated: Jan-30-08 12:03 PM EST --

Bay of Fundy is pretty big water where, depending on exactly where you go, the paddler can be as or more important than the boat. Why are you looking for another boat - are you trying to stretch your distances, or move into bigger conditions? What are the parameters of your concerns about stability - can you handle a capsize and get back into your boat, what kinds of conditions are you comfortable in, that kind of thing.

A number of plastic sea kayaks out there are excellent, but they have different strengths and weaknesses for particular uses. Answers to the above might help narrow the field better. As above, for example, the Tsunami and the Tempest don't have have quite the same audience. (albeit as Flatpick mentions above can perform in similar uses but may ask slightly different things of the paddler)

 
 
  Same size as you
  Posted by: old_user on Jan-30-08 8:04 AM (EST)
I'm probably as close to the same size as we'll find. Now I have to admit my boat is a first kayak so please keep that in mind. I haven't paddled open water yet either. I have a Capella 166 RM. I think that this boat will serve me well for a long time before I exceed it's capabilities. I got lucky and had a used one drop in my lap. I had been looking at the Valley Aquanaut. My plans are to use it for some touring/camping and hopefully get to open water in the Great Lakes when my skills are up to it.

John
 
 
  Eddyline for sure! You get the benefits
  Posted by: moparharn on Jan-30-08 8:20 AM (EST)
of both Roto and composite. Lite, fast, durable, and well mannered. Give them a look before you buy. I think there are now other thermal formed boats that approach Eddylines quality, check them out too.
 
 
  Pamlico 140
  Posted by: fatelmo on Jan-30-08 11:27 AM (EST)
Hell, somebody had ta say it....

FE
 
 
  huh?
  Posted by: rtw73 on Jan-30-08 2:17 PM (EST)
huh
 
 
  It's a running joke... *NM*
  Posted by: Greyak on Jan-30-08 3:41 PM (EST)
 
 
  i was thinkin' it NT
  Posted by: SmilinBeard on Jan-30-08 6:33 PM (EST)
 
 
  I was going to say it if you didn't
  Posted by: Reefmonkey on Jan-31-08 4:52 PM (EST)
 
 
  Lots
  Posted by: dajarr on Jan-30-08 1:20 PM (EST)
-- Last Updated: Jan-30-08 1:46 PM EST --

of good boats out there. I like the Sirocco and the Capella, but that's just me. If there's a decent shop in your area, find a few that fit and demo them. I think that fit is the first thing to look for. There may be many boats that accommodate your height and weight, but how does the seat feel? Are the thigh braces comfortable? Do you like the deck heights? Do your feet fit? Once you've found a couple of boats that you feel you can spend time in pain free, take them out and paddle them, and then make your decision.

 
 
  define best??
  Posted by: old_user on Jan-30-08 8:16 PM (EST)
Not sure if you mean Roto or plastic?
Check into Eddyline, they have been doing Thermoformed Carbonlite the longest and by far the best. I have been beating up my Nighthawk 16 for a few years and it takes a beating well. Light and easy to load at 47 I think. Hope that helps
 
 
  Very interesting and impressive
  Posted by: swordfish on Feb-01-08 11:19 PM (EST)
It is essentially a plastic composite. Better than roto polyethylene for sure. But It is still heavier than a kevlar/glass composite boat with gelcoat.
 
 
  Heavier than kevlar/glass with gel coat?
  Posted by: Yanoer on Feb-01-08 11:28 PM (EST)
Depends on which kevlar/glass boat with gel coat that you are referring too. Many are over 50 lbs, many are under 50 lbs.
 
 
  Not bad, actually
  Posted by: swordfish on Feb-02-08 2:13 PM (EST)
when comparing kevlar/glass boats of the same length. For increased durability, I would take the thermoform. Wonder how the deck and the hull meet together. Whould they split after a 4' drop?
 

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