who makes the best plastic sea kayak
Posted by: rtw73 on Jan-29-08 5:45 PM (EST) Category: Kayaks
I'm 5'11" 200 lbs and looking for a good stable plastic sea kayak for paddling the bay of fundy I have been paddling an old prijon boat for a couple o years I love it but it is not a sea kayak. my short list is, boreal designs inukshuk
cd sorroco, ws tempest17 or tsunami 17.5, prijon kodiak.
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Consider Valley and P&H|
Posted by: wilsoj2 on Jan-29-08 5:58 PM (EST)
Valley makes very good plastic sea kayaks. You might consider a RM Aquanaut or Nordkapp.
Posted by: old_user on Jan-30-08 10:16 AM (EST)
Transitional Touring is Wildy's own term|
Posted by: wilsoj2 on Jan-30-08 12:07 PM (EST)
I was writing from memory, but having been questioned, I checked Wilderness Systems' site and the Tsunamis are termed 'Transitional Touring.'
Posted by: Celia on Jan-30-08 12:28 PM (EST)
Posted by: old_user on Jan-30-08 12:44 PM (EST)
perform in conditions in the right hands|
Posted by: wilsoj2 on Jan-30-08 3:52 PM (EST)
Well, isn't that just about any boat?
Posted by: old_user on Jan-30-08 5:24 PM (EST)
Posted by: LeeG on Feb-01-08 1:26 PM (EST)
do ever get in trouble from the marketing folks?
Posted by: old_user on Feb-02-08 8:20 AM (EST)
They know I shoot from the hip.
Not a Switfy|
Posted by: old_user on Jan-30-08 6:30 PM (EST)
Posted by: wilsoj2 on Jan-30-08 8:30 PM (EST)
Posted by: old_user on Jan-31-08 7:40 AM (EST)
that's just what I said.
The Tsunamis have proven well in all...|
Posted by: wilsoj2 on Jan-31-08 8:51 AM (EST)
Posted by: old_user on Jan-31-08 9:51 AM (EST)
like I'm chasing my tail.
today on springer transitional vs perfor|
Posted by: rtw73 on Jan-31-08 10:33 AM (EST)
hi I tried to ask really specific questions,
You need to try boats|
Posted by: old_user on Jan-31-08 2:26 PM (EST)
All of the boats you listed are good boats.
Mea Maxima Culpa|
Posted by: wilsoj2 on Jan-31-08 11:53 AM (EST)
Steve / Flatpick|
Posted by: salty on Feb-01-08 10:10 PM (EST)
Were we like this?? Maybe 20 years ago??
Posted by: old_user on Feb-02-08 8:23 AM (EST)
I think the point is they are different|
Posted by: paddlemore on Jan-31-08 11:21 AM (EST)
but the Tsunami is capable.
Transitional Touring label fills a niche|
Posted by: wilsoj2 on Jan-31-08 11:43 AM (EST)
Posted by: old_user on Jan-31-08 2:33 PM (EST)
Posted by: rtw73 on Jan-31-08 6:05 PM (EST)
has a different hull shape also.
Yes, it's different|
Posted by: old_user on Jan-31-08 6:31 PM (EST)
Posted by: rtw73 on Feb-01-08 4:30 PM (EST)
well I went down to my local dealer purcahsed my new tempest17. The tsunami 175 felt huge and loose to sit in. while the tempest feels more like an extension of my body thanks for all of the many opinions regarding any of it. I feel confident with the choice that I made. should be a real step up from sea kayaking in a prijon taifun.
Posted by: old_user on Feb-01-08 6:21 PM (EST)
Congrats. Paddle the heck out of it.|
Posted by: yanoer on Feb-01-08 10:03 PM (EST)
Posted by: wilsoj2 on Feb-02-08 7:17 AM (EST)
Posted by: old_user on Feb-02-08 8:24 AM (EST)
congrads and have fun!
Posted by: rtw73 on Feb-02-08 1:57 PM (EST)
the tsunami 175 is alot o yak tempest fits nice.
Posted by: old_user on Jan-31-08 2:23 PM (EST)
'no boat is "optimal" for all persons'|
Posted by: wilsoj2 on Feb-01-08 1:13 PM (EST)
Funny, I asked this question|
Posted by: old_user on Jan-31-08 11:49 AM (EST)
to a couple of my fellow instructors only about a week ago. The only real clarification I received was that the Tsunami was developed for a larger paddling group. I assume, which could be entirely incorrect that the tsunami is designed for the new paddler as well as being more than capable in the hands of we'll say a more advanced paddler. But couldn't the same be said about ALOT of the boats on the market?
Seems about right to me|
Posted by: old_user on Jan-31-08 2:45 PM (EST)
What you said makes sense to me. (And you were not hung up on the "transitional" word.)
Posted by: old_user on Jan-30-08 12:13 PM (EST)
Posted by: LeeG on Jan-30-08 2:14 PM (EST)
Posted by: old_user on Jan-30-08 6:32 PM (EST)
Posted by: rtw73 on Jan-31-08 9:27 AM (EST)
so as far as I can see, the tsunami175 will handle all the same conditions but is just a little less responsive I'm geussing higher inital stability. how about secondary stability?
Posted by: old_user on Jan-31-08 2:42 PM (EST)
best boat ! hard Q !|
Posted by: trout on Jan-29-08 6:18 PM (EST)
hello...i'd like to refer you to the post by rtw73.. i believe that post is on page 2 by now. under.."prijon or wilderness" post , that person is also paddling bay of fundy area , might be worth reading if u haven't read that post already. best plastic boat is the one you can afford. what price range can u afford? that might help other posters narrow the field down and recommend a boat to you in the length and price range. as seems the caveat in pnet ...paddle the boats 1st, if possible , then decide. the boreal,kodiak or CD would be the best i think.
oops stoopid me !!|
Posted by: trout on Jan-29-08 6:22 PM (EST)
hi rtw...i didn't bother to read who posted this thread ..sorry ....when i went back and looked i seen your name , sooooooo...disregard my advice on reading your older post.
I would go with the tempest|
Posted by: paddlemore on Jan-29-08 6:32 PM (EST)
I am not a huge fan of the Sirocco or the Kodiak/Seayak. The Prijon boats have great plastic but I don't like the way they handle.
I would go with the Sirocco|
Posted by: old_user on Jan-29-08 7:00 PM (EST)
Unlike the poster above me, I am a huge fan of the Sirocco, and--unlike the poster below me--I find it an incredibly stable boat, so long as you're in the boat (and not scrambling).
Posted by: jonsprag1 on Jan-30-08 2:23 PM (EST)
w/s tempest has my vote---in addition to the design I really like the quality of the workmenship---particularly the seating system
stable compared to what?|
Posted by: LeeG on Jan-29-08 6:34 PM (EST)
The Tsunami 17 and a Necky Looksha 17 are stable compared to the scirocco and Tempest. Not sure how the Kodiak fits in there.
I like the Valley Skerray RMX|
Posted by: schizopak on Jan-29-08 6:59 PM (EST)
This has already been answered 4 u.|
Posted by: Cd1 on Jan-29-08 8:01 PM (EST)
Aquanaut HV RM?|
Posted by: angstrom on Jan-29-08 8:37 PM (EST)
Try the Tempest last|
Posted by: old_user on Jan-29-08 8:48 PM (EST)
as that is the one you will love to paddle, its a great boat.
Tempest owners, question|
Posted by: LeeG on Jan-29-08 9:24 PM (EST)
are your aft hatches waterproof and secure during rescues? Curious if that's no longer a problem.
Tempest 165 big back hatch|
Posted by: old_user on Jan-30-08 7:05 AM (EST)
..leaks in my RM boat. It was produced at the end of 2006. The back hatch has dislodged/blown in the surf zone, leaving the back compartment like a bath tub - full of water! I'm a little disappointed in this aspect of this great, all round paddling kayak.
Posted by: LeeG on Jan-30-08 7:17 AM (EST)
if a glassed piece of 4mm plywood with a flange to fit right over the rubber one and straps going from deck line to deck line across the top would solve it.
Rube Goldberg device|
Posted by: old_user on Jan-30-08 7:08 PM (EST)
Ply wood lid|
Posted by: old_user on Jan-31-08 7:42 PM (EST)
Posted by: LeeG on Jan-31-08 7:47 PM (EST)
I knew someone would figure it out.
Posted by: jonsprag1 on Jan-31-08 10:56 AM (EST)
done plenty of rolling practice and paddled in lots of rough water(but little breaking surf) I had a problem initially with water in the rear hatch/hold which I fixed by tightening the nut on the skeg and by ensuring a proper seal on the top of the hatch cover---use the heel of my palm to pound around the edge of the cover to make sure it fits over the lip of the hatch all the way around and then put the bungee around it. If I always do that I have no problems with water.
Posted by: seadart on Jan-29-08 9:34 PM (EST)
I've paddled the Kodiak on coastal paddles on the pacific side of Baja. I think it is a pretty good boat for a heavier paddler if you want to carry gear and go exploring. It handled well in choppy waves and playing in some rock gardens.
The hatch covers were cheap?...|
Posted by: old_user on Jan-29-08 9:59 PM (EST)
Posted by: old_user on Jan-29-08 10:00 PM (EST)
Maybe a little more info?|
Posted by: Celia on Jan-29-08 11:05 PM (EST)
Same size as you|
Posted by: old_user on Jan-30-08 8:04 AM (EST)
I'm probably as close to the same size as we'll find. Now I have to admit my boat is a first kayak so please keep that in mind. I haven't paddled open water yet either. I have a Capella 166 RM. I think that this boat will serve me well for a long time before I exceed it's capabilities. I got lucky and had a used one drop in my lap. I had been looking at the Valley Aquanaut. My plans are to use it for some touring/camping and hopefully get to open water in the Great Lakes when my skills are up to it.
Eddyline for sure! You get the benefits|
Posted by: moparharn on Jan-30-08 8:20 AM (EST)
of both Roto and composite. Lite, fast, durable, and well mannered. Give them a look before you buy. I think there are now other thermal formed boats that approach Eddylines quality, check them out too.
Posted by: fatelmo on Jan-30-08 11:27 AM (EST)
Hell, somebody had ta say it....
Posted by: rtw73 on Jan-30-08 2:17 PM (EST)
It's a running joke... *NM*|
Posted by: Greyak on Jan-30-08 3:41 PM (EST)
i was thinkin' it NT|
Posted by: SmilinBeard on Jan-30-08 6:33 PM (EST)
I was going to say it if you didn't|
Posted by: Reefmonkey on Jan-31-08 4:52 PM (EST)
Posted by: dajarr on Jan-30-08 1:20 PM (EST)
Posted by: old_user on Jan-30-08 8:16 PM (EST)
Not sure if you mean Roto or plastic?
Very interesting and impressive|
Posted by: swordfish on Feb-01-08 11:19 PM (EST)
It is essentially a plastic composite. Better than roto polyethylene for sure. But It is still heavier than a kevlar/glass composite boat with gelcoat.
Heavier than kevlar/glass with gel coat?|
Posted by: Yanoer on Feb-01-08 11:28 PM (EST)
Depends on which kevlar/glass boat with gel coat that you are referring too. Many are over 50 lbs, many are under 50 lbs.
Not bad, actually|
Posted by: swordfish on Feb-02-08 2:13 PM (EST)
when comparing kevlar/glass boats of the same length. For increased durability, I would take the thermoform. Wonder how the deck and the hull meet together. Whould they split after a 4' drop?