Windy Lake Solo Advice
Posted by: kungfufishing on May-04-14 11:26 PM (EST) Category: Canoes
-- Last Updated: May-04-14 11:34 PM EST --
I am lucky enough to live 2 minutes from a small lake. I love to paddle. Also love to fish. Problem is that the lake is routinely windy, lots of 15-20 mph days and whitecaps and waves.
My current solo is a Wenonah sandpiper. I like it because it is fairly light - pitch on truck, plop in lake, go. However, as my paddling ability has improved, I have started looking for something a little faster that tracks better. The sandpiper feels small. Also have two sons, 4 and 2, and want to take one along (headed for tandem, just ot yet). I am also tiring of fighting the wind.
I single blade, C or J, kneel to travel and sit to fish. 5'10, 175 lbs. There are no canoe dealers nearby, other than a wenonah dealer a couple hours away.
I've found an old Bell Rob Roy 15 in fiberlar for 500 bucks. I'm interested because it might solve my windage and speed issues...but I'd be on the bottom of the boat and it weighs 50 pounds. Anything come to mind that might be better? Cover the sandpiper? Canak? Empty my wallet on something else? Help me pick out a boat, please.
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A less-conventional idea|
Posted by: Guideboatguy on May-05-14 12:01 AM (EST)
canoe for now |
Posted by: kungfufishing on May-05-14 12:18 AM (EST)
Thanks for the reply! For now, I'm stuck on trying to make this work in a canoe. I do see that this could be a little asinine. I've been paddling off and on since I was a kid, and find it relaxing in a way that only fishing and hiking/camping match.
It's okay to focus on the canoe idea|
Posted by: Guideboatguy on May-05-14 12:56 AM (EST)
The rowing idea is from a guy (me) who would be in a world of hurt if he were forced to give up rowing OR paddling. For being so different in mechanics, they are remarkably compatible as far as the mood that goes with them.
Posted by: rblturtle on May-05-14 6:09 AM (EST)
One of the canoes I currently own is a Hemlock Kestrel. It is the most wind resistant canoe I have ever paddled and firm tracking. My go to lake boat.
My view on this |
Posted by: rpg51 on May-05-14 6:49 AM (EST)
Posted by: yatipope on May-05-14 8:15 AM (EST)
The conditions you are experiencing would suggest you want something with low freeboard to catch less wind BUT at the same time whitecaps and waves potentially getting water in the boat would demand more freeboard. Then you want something fast but this usually means a narrow hull, not something best for kids and camping. Someone suggested loading your canoe with some extra wieght when you are paddling solo but that counters your desire for speed. My friend you are gonna have to comprimise somewhere but I have a suggestion that some will claim as blasphemy in canoe purist circles. Find a well made canoe that has a keel. For purely lake travel where wind is a concern, it will help keep your canoe steady oncourse. Another option is a canoe like most Mad River models which are made with a shallow V hull. It has some feel of a keel and counteracts the wind effect a little better than a flat or arched bottem.
according to Archimedes|
Posted by: kayamedic on May-05-14 8:50 AM (EST)
a boat heavier by thirty lbs displaces how much more water? And hence sinks how much lower? A quarter of an inch.
True - |
Posted by: rpg51 on May-05-14 6:15 PM (EST)
but a light boat moves more in response to wind.
Posted by: kayamedic on May-05-14 9:15 PM (EST)
Not in the overall scheme of things. You'd be correct if I weighed 23 lbs.
HA!...either one improves a LOT or you|
Posted by: bigspencer on May-05-14 10:20 AM (EST)
Posted by: mcimes on May-05-14 11:37 AM (EST)
I am going to put a rudder on my solo for this exact situation. I can competently paddle in a strong wind, but honestly, its not that fun just trying to fight to keep a line. I am going to buy a rudder system for around $150 and call it a day. Ill make it semi-easily removable so I can take it off it for races. I just bought a double blade paddle for some muscle cross training, but found it hard to control the boat on twisty rivers. That is another situation where a rudder will be nice.
Posted by: thegoose on May-05-14 11:54 AM (EST)
Posted by: davbart on May-05-14 3:03 PM (EST)
I have Mason's books, but had never seen that movie. I enjoyed it, especially the Lake Superior paddling. Talk about winds and waves!!
that only seems crazy|
Posted by: slushpaddler on May-12-14 10:15 AM (EST)
Buy a kayak|
Posted by: seadart on May-05-14 12:40 PM (EST)
Posted by: kungfufishing on May-05-14 12:54 PM (EST)
Thanks for the replies. When I say "faster", I mean "faster than my 13'6" sandpiper. Not hard to come by. I may give this Rob Roy a try. A Yost design, apparently a scaled magic hull, and at $500, not far above the price of a Cooke cover for my current canoe.
Lakes, Wind and Paddling|
Posted by: TommyC1 on May-05-14 1:07 PM (EST)
Kneeling, straight stick, good beginning|
Posted by: ezwater on May-05-14 2:45 PM (EST)
If you were in Atlanta, I would have you over to Stone Mountain Lake, get your boat trimmed level, and show you how to paddle "cab forward" with only occasional need for a C or J correction. The boat will track better, and you'll get more out of your effort when paddling in windy conditions.
SoloPlus or NorthStar|
Posted by: birren on May-05-14 3:46 PM (EST)
I recommend you get either a Wenonah SoloPlus or a Bell NorthStar. Here's why:
I've been reading "The Last Voyageur", |
Posted by: ezwater on May-05-14 4:39 PM (EST)
Vince Welch's account of Amos Burg's exploration of western rivers. Whenever portages were likely, Burg favored canoes and propelled them by rowing. At one point he settled on a Chestnut Prospector 17' and fitted it for rowing. Rowing allowed him to make better progress on wavy lakes and open rivers. When portages were not an issue, he used early versions of river dories.
Posted by: davbart on May-05-14 4:51 PM (EST)
I thought the biggest reason for his use of a rowing rig was because all he had available were large tandems, and sitting in the middle while rowing made it easier to handle in all conditions.
The Chestnut Prospector he loved was |
Posted by: ezwater on May-06-14 9:33 AM (EST)
just normal width and when loaded with gear, it would have allowed him to slide toward either side for a more comfortable stroke.
Solo plus is a beast in the wind with a |
Posted by: Yanoer on May-05-14 10:08 PM (EST)
load. I will not make that mistake again.
Isn't Morningstar 15' 6"? Wouldn't |
Posted by: ezwater on May-05-14 11:31 PM (EST)
affect your recommendation, but at 15.5 feet it is one of the shortest *quality* pocket tandems around.
Rudder is best wind weapon|
Posted by: Glenn_MacGrady on May-06-14 12:38 AM (EST)
If this is a Sandpiper, it doesn't look like an ideal wind solo:
Most of my paddling is on windy lakes|
Posted by: kayamedic on May-06-14 9:00 AM (EST)
the longer and narrower the better.
Been there- My two cents.|
Posted by: WeeHooker on May-08-14 11:03 AM (EST)
Having family property on the North end of a 550acre lake that typicly blows 10-15 out of the SW near daily, I know your issues with canoeing. Trying to fish from a canoe under those same conditions (which is what I do) can make it even worse.
Tandem vs solo|
Posted by: Guideboatguy on May-08-14 11:11 AM (EST)
Keels have purpose|
Posted by: yatipope on May-08-14 11:12 AM (EST)
I am glad someone else here is not afraid to recommend a keel for this particular purpose. They DO have a useful purpose which is precisely the case with the OP. I do on not own a canoe witha keel and haven't in many years but they can be useful.. The boat that comes to mind is an Old Town 146k made back inthe 90's and pretty common. I owned one and it had a keel and low freeboard but waz beamy.
Posted by: rblturtle on May-09-14 5:50 AM (EST)
My wife and I were paddling across Round lake in the ADKs diagonal to a following wind. I was in my Swift Osprey, she in my Kestrel. I was ahead and concerned about her as I was struggling to keep straight. I looked back and she was having no problem. I dislike my Kestrel on a twisty channel because it doesn't like to turn, but in the wind ,if the waves aren't too high, It's great.
if fishing, other than trolling..are you|
Posted by: bigspencer on May-08-14 11:55 AM (EST)
Posted by: kungfufishing on May-11-14 12:08 PM (EST)
I appreciate the replies and discussion. If I were nearer to a region where canoeing was more common, the woud be easier, as I could just test paddle. The rob roy leaked.
Maybe used Bell Merlin II?|
Posted by: Yanoer on May-11-14 1:14 PM (EST)
Straighter tracking and roomier than the Sandpiper, but still has relatively low sheer line to help resist wind, paddles nicely while kneeling and maneuvers nicely when heeled.
Posted by: kungfufishing on May-11-14 8:02 PM (EST)
This is a boat I keep looking for but can't find for sale. Does sound like it might work. Would you fish from yours?
Magic is a great boat|
Posted by: davbart on May-11-14 3:34 PM (EST)
However, you might have to do some changes, my seat isn't canted and there is no way I can fit my feet under the seat.
canak vs cover|
Posted by: kungfufishing on May-11-14 9:09 PM (EST)
Well, I'm not a full time kneeler, although I like he sense of control, connection, and stability. However, I think some of this preference is shaped by paddling the sandpiper in wind and waves. Paddle a ways, stop to cast, get blown somewhere, reel up my line, pitch fishing rod behind me as the canoe starts to list, push off and paddle before I get tipped over by the submerged log I just got blown onto, repeat. On paper, I can't tell why I think that is fun...but I keep going back.
DIY wind cover|
Posted by: paddlingpika on May-12-14 2:26 PM (EST)
A cover for shedding wind rather than water doesn't need to be quite as secure or shaped quite as precisely as one that will be subjected to waves washing over the bow or torrential downpours. I suppose a cover would interfere with access to fishing gear so that could present some design challenges, but how about making a homemade wind cover for your sandpiper while you are waiting to accumulate savings or find the deal of a lifetime to get your dream boat?
Posted by: kungfufishing on May-12-14 3:00 PM (EST)
I had started looking into just that. Like the PVC idea.