Looking to add a kayak back to the stable. I have paddled both whitewater and sea kayaks in the past, but for the last several years, I've only paddled canoes.
I'm 6'2", 230lbs with size 12 feet. I don't want a massive expedition boat, looking for a versatile boat that can go from rivers to open water with manueverability (play) being more important than speed and to be used for daytrips and weekenders.
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jackson Karma RG|
Posted by: Peter-CA on Apr-15-14 12:58 AM (EST)
There are a few cross over kayaks to you could consider, like dagger Green Boat, Pyranhah Fusion, etc. But the one that stands out would be the Jackson Karma RG, as it has a skeg, hatch, and deck lines (latter are important safety for open water)
Looks like a great boat, but...|
Posted by: davbart on Apr-16-14 9:18 AM (EST)
probably too much focus on the whitewater, and no rock gardens here in NC.
New Karma RG|
Posted by: camjammer on May-05-14 7:30 PM (EST)
I just received my new Karma RG expecting perimeter deck lines. It has NONE!
Posted by: Peter-CA on May-05-14 7:46 PM (EST)
Does it have the brackets for it? I seem to remember hearing something that they send it out as a white water person would want (the River Guide version of RG), but that it would be easy to turn it into the Rock Garden version just by running the line.
Posted by: esstyle on Apr-15-14 3:07 AM (EST)
Last year I tried out a Dagger Alchemy 14S. The 14L version would be more suited to your size, but I've heard the hull designs are basically the same.
Posted by: tsunamichuck1 on Apr-15-14 3:35 AM (EST)
Posted by: Kudzu on Apr-15-14 4:48 AM (EST)
I moved the seat back in mine to get it just right.
Is it the S or the L?|
Posted by: davbart on Apr-15-14 2:54 PM (EST)
I'm an S|
Posted by: Kudzu on Apr-15-14 4:21 PM (EST)
I'm 5'9" and 165 pounds. I have a buddy well over 6 feet tall and about 190 - 200 lbs who enjoys paddling my S Alchemy with the seat back and all the stiffening hardware removed.
What class whitewater|
Posted by: redmond on Apr-15-14 9:43 AM (EST)
are you considering? How experienced are you paddling?
Posted by: davbart on Apr-15-14 9:55 AM (EST)
Nothing above Class 2 nearby (class 3 maybe too much to ask), but it needs to be capable (and fun) in ocean surf.
I should have asked|
Posted by: Peter-CA on Apr-15-14 1:09 PM (EST)
I should have asked what class whitewater
Add P&H to the list|
Posted by: wavespinner on Apr-16-14 2:43 AM (EST)
The Hammer and Delphin would give you more open water capability and they're designed for it. They've also be used to run some gnarly whitewater.
Been doing some research|
Posted by: davbart on Apr-17-14 8:47 AM (EST)
Jackson Journey 14 seems to fit the bill. Anybody have a comparison between the Journey and Alchemy?
Posted by: wavespinner on Apr-17-14 9:35 AM (EST)
I owned an Alchemy and have paddled Journeys. While both will fit the bill, the Alchemy has significant rocker and will maneuver well in river and surf conditions. It also comes with and adjustable skeg while a rudder is a costly option on the Journey. Also, that rudder is mounted on the stern, which is less effective in surf (note that surf skis have their rudders positioned on the keel, forward of the stern, so they remain fully immersed when coming down the face of a wave). While I enjoyed the Alchemy, I moved on to the Delphin, which has better geometry for surf.
cross over kayaks|
Posted by: ret603 on Apr-17-14 9:37 AM (EST)
I've bought two cross over kayaks and sold both because they were absolute pigs on the straight sections of class 1-2 rivers. Basically, they were slightly longer river kayaks with a skeg added. Didn't work for me.
mmm, so you say those XP10s that |
Posted by: ezwater on Apr-17-14 10:29 AM (EST)
conquered the Grand Canyon, huge rapids and long flats, carrying self-support food and gear, weren't really crossover kayaks?
Consider the 14-ish?|
Posted by: mtndave on Apr-17-14 11:01 AM (EST)
Also 6' 2" and 230 is often my "winter weight", size 12's. Have a crossover (Katana 10.4), 17.5' glass boat and a 14.5' plastic WS Tsunami (as well as three other 14-ish boats for friends/fam). Each has merits/challenges but I very much like my tsunami for its relative versatility. Can handle easy ww and I've taken it on Lake Michigan when its not too rowdy. Large volume boat (with associated performance tics). Excels at river paddle camping (takes a ton of gear) and is very roomy/comfortable. Summary: Consider the 14-ish ft boats for their versatility. Don't excel at anything though.
keep us posted dave|
Posted by: slushpaddler on Apr-17-14 11:53 AM (EST)
I am considering the alchemy for the same versatility.
Posted by: davbart on Apr-17-14 8:18 PM (EST)
Alchemy L, Jackson Journey and the Delphin 155. Conditions were very mild, so the demo was limited, however here are my impressions.
Delphin foot room|
Posted by: ret603 on Apr-17-14 9:08 PM (EST)
Do your feet fit comfortably in the Delphin?
Posted by: davbart on Apr-17-14 9:48 PM (EST)
Disparaging the Jackson Journey?|
Posted by: ret603 on Apr-19-14 10:17 AM (EST)
No need to qualify your opinions. I have paddled the Journey only twice; too little seat time to qualify the paddling experience, let alone defend or recommend it.
One reason I always give strong |
Posted by: ezwater on Apr-19-14 3:00 PM (EST)
consideration to Jackson boats is the qualifications of their chief designer.
thank you dave|
Posted by: slushpaddler on May-06-14 10:45 AM (EST)
I've been considering adding a more playful boat to the fleet and the Delphin was on the short list. Now I want to demo one!
Posted by: davbart on May-06-14 11:00 AM (EST)
Posted by: slushpaddler on May-06-14 1:21 PM (EST)
Posted by: davbart on May-06-14 2:30 PM (EST)
The outfitting is fantastic. You can move the thigh braces, seat and the hip pads which of course makes for a individual and comfortable fit.
Take it down The Kenai|
Posted by: tsunamichuck1 on May-06-14 11:40 PM (EST)
Been taking my Sportee down and up the river past few weeks
One of these days.....|
Posted by: davbart on May-07-14 6:48 AM (EST)
You real should|
Posted by: magooch on May-08-14 11:37 AM (EST)
Look at an Eddyline Raven. That boat really can do it all and it should fit.
thermoformed down rapids is crazy|
Posted by: dc9mm on May-08-14 11:57 AM (EST)
Posted by: RubricOfRuin on May-09-14 9:39 AM (EST)
Try that one.