In your opinion what is the fastest solo RX canoe out there?
Not concerned with any other parameters, such as stability or maneuverability, and not necessarily top speed, but more of the sustainable speed.
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How much horsepower|
Posted by: kayamedic on Mar-30-14 9:23 AM (EST)
do you have available to drive the hull? Its no good to have a long boat if you don't have the horsepower to overcome skin friction..
Posted by: yatipope on Mar-30-14 9:33 AM (EST)
This boat is really fast and available in Royalite which is even lighter. I used mine to paddle up rivers with significant current and it never seemed to care.
Theoretical hull speed|
Posted by: carldelo on Mar-30-14 12:13 PM (EST)
1.54 (or 1.55) is for mph|
Posted by: Guideboatguy on Mar-30-14 12:55 PM (EST)
Fair enough ...|
Posted by: carldelo on Mar-30-14 5:48 PM (EST)
... although that makes my point in a way - formulae aren't of much use unless defined. I don't think there is really a 'wall' at hull speed, in general, although I certainly believe your experience with the row boat is genuine. I'm guessing there are additional factors involved that make the drag increase so dramatic.
It would be interesting to discuss...|
Posted by: Guideboatguy on Mar-30-14 7:21 PM (EST)
Posted by: carldelo on Mar-31-14 11:30 AM (EST)
That's a cogent description of the phenomena at hull speed, and I have little to add. One wrinkle is that the bow wave and stern transverse wave interfere constructively as the process continues, and this is one of the reasons so much power is required.
Posted by: CEWilson on Mar-30-14 9:34 AM (EST)
Looking for the fastest RX solo is kinda like pursuing a floating anvil, but....
Posted by: windwalker on Mar-30-14 10:19 AM (EST)
Yes I know, no RX boat will be able to do what my GRB XL will do, but sometimes RX is the material of choice.
fastest flying pig lol..|
Posted by: kayamedic on Mar-30-14 9:59 AM (EST)
The blunt bow on my Raven makes paddling that bathtub a real workout.
Wenonah Vagabond not a bad choice|
Posted by: Guideboatguy on Mar-30-14 10:50 AM (EST)
Smaller boats for less|
Posted by: kayamedic on Mar-30-14 12:59 PM (EST)
horsepowered paddlers is a design element to allow two soloists of different size to keep up with each other. This is why you often find two versions of basically the same design.
Just about every boat I thought of|
Posted by: pblanc on Mar-30-14 10:56 AM (EST)
has now been mentioned, with a couple of exceptions.
Have Vagabond, had Sojourn|
Posted by: yatipope on Mar-30-14 11:24 AM (EST)
I have paddled both and they are both fast for royalex but the Sojourn is faster. I do Love the Vagabond though because it has a little better initial stability and turns better. Certainly if a friend paddling a Sojourn was lagging behind anything else made of royalex,..it was his paddling ability and not the boat that was the cause.
I'll dismiss a few..........|
Posted by: thebob.com on Mar-30-14 11:29 AM (EST)
rbturtle's P-Net review...|
Posted by: canoeswithduckheads on Mar-30-14 2:22 PM (EST)
...of the Esquif Echo is interesting to read. Perhaps faster than chiming Bells of Wildfire and Yellowstone, but still short a foot-or-so of that fifteen-plus feet figure which Mr. Wilson points out as the to-now (and likely not-to-be-hereafter) maximum length in molded solo anvils.
Fastest RX Solo|
Posted by: knarf on Mar-30-14 6:50 PM (EST)
Think a bit outside the box...........I would bet the Wenonah Solo Plus would be the fastest. It is 16.5' long and only 31 3/4" wide at the water line with no rocker. The bonus is you could use it as a tandem also.
Posted by: redrocket on Mar-30-14 7:00 PM (EST)
I own one, and while I love this canoe for down river paddling, I would never call it fast by any means.
Pretty blunt nose|
Posted by: yatipope on Mar-31-14 11:36 AM (EST)
I never paddled one but saw one in a paddle store for sale. Looked like a nice canoe but I remembered that it had a relatively blunt bow at the waterline so I was confused when some claimed it to be fast.
For a solo|
Posted by: kayamedic on Mar-31-14 11:48 AM (EST)
it ought not be fast. L/W ratio is 6.2, not much higher than Yellowstone Solo.
Interesting discussion, thanks|
Posted by: windwalker on Mar-30-14 8:17 PM (EST)
I understand that boat speed is a relative question, greatly dependent on the paddlers input, or horsepower, as Kim put it. And the way in which the paddler applies said horsepower can also effect speed.
Sojourn has a "small" following, yes. |
Posted by: ezwater on Mar-31-14 1:00 AM (EST)
Because it never had the capacity for tall, heavy people like me. A pocket solo for the normal sized.
So, given the OP's willingness to settle|
Posted by: ezwater on Mar-30-14 8:22 PM (EST)
for a good sustainable speed rather than top speed, the selection broadens, and can take into account hull variations that make the canoe more suitable for special environments.
Posted by: rblturtle on Mar-31-14 6:48 AM (EST)
"sustainable speed" is what is important to me. Crusing with little effort at a decent speed is my definition of fast. My Hemlock Kestrel is my"fastest" boat.I never owned a royelex boat that felt fast,my Wenona Sandpiper was the least slow,Esquif Echo not bad either. My Roylex Wildfire(Yellowstone solo) felt the slowest.
Posted by: CEWilson on Mar-31-14 8:22 AM (EST)
Charlie, my Solo Plus experience|
Posted by: vic on Mar-31-14 2:07 PM (EST)
Charlie, my Solo Plus experience was exactly as you indicated. It was too narrow at the tandem paddling positions for to two larger people (I'm about 185 lbs), and that made it tippy.
vic, are you seeing a difference between|
Posted by: ezwater on Apr-01-14 12:05 AM (EST)
the MR Guide Solo and the MR Freedom Solo?
Guide and Freedom Solo|
Posted by: vic on Apr-01-14 1:24 AM (EST)
I have friends with Guides. My far from expert observation is that the older Guide was made with better quality Royalex. My friend's Guide was not soft when originally purchased as was my Freedom Solo. His just "felt" more substantial. Also, the fit and finish on the Guides I've seen is better than on the Freedom Solo. To me it seems that better craftsmanship went into the Guides than into the Freedom Solos. As for performance, with my limited skills I did not notice any real difference between the two canoes.