Posted by: mazer on Feb-28-14 11:34 PM (EST) Category: unassigned
We are planning a week long trip this fall, I have never been kayak camping and would welcoe any tips those who do kayak camp can give me especially on what to leave behind and what to take, any info on freeze dried food, how to pack all the gear up, and load the baot correctly, THANKS
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where going and what type of boat?|
Posted by: Peter-CA on Mar-01-14 12:06 AM (EST)
Where are you going? Temps (important for determining how well food will last)? Fresh water available for filtering? How far are you paddling each day? Any portages (these are generally not normal for kayak camping).
OP really needs to come back and answer |
Posted by: OptiMystic on Mar-03-14 7:58 AM (EST)
I have been on some very different trips over the years. Usually took the same sleeping bag that compresses pretty small, a back packing tent and backpacking cook set. Everything else varied widely depending on the boat and the trip. I disagree with the advice to get lots of small dry bags; I found that the form fitting large ones allowed me to pack more things easier and were less prone to leaking because they were never jammed into nooks and crevices that didn't fit them exactly. The boat makers do charge a premium for the ones specific to certain boats but if your budget allows it, I recommend getting them.
Posted by: mazer on Mar-05-14 6:36 PM (EST)
We are going for a week to Ahjumawi Lava Springs State Park in Late Sept or Early Oct... Fresh water lake is at the campground, paddling is an hour to the car from the site, so once we are settled we paddle at leisure.
Posted by: hodtay on Mar-08-14 9:40 PM (EST)
Headwaters is the local pro paddle shop in Redding. Terry and Joe are a great resource for info about the area you're heading to.
Posted by: wavespinner on Mar-01-14 8:18 AM (EST)
To keep the kayak stable and maneuverable, pack heavier items closer to the cockpit and low in the boat.
Lots of little dry bags|
Posted by: Celia on Mar-01-14 8:24 AM (EST)
Pack a big canvas bag on top of lots of little dry bags. It is much easier to load a boat with smaller bags than fewer big bulky ones. Coated nylon or lightweight plastic best. Stiff plastic bags get harder to distribute.
where to start|
Posted by: kayamedic on Mar-01-14 8:37 AM (EST)
Here are a few generic suggestions|
Posted by: randy_morgart on Mar-01-14 9:33 AM (EST)
Without knowing the answers to questions already asked.
Absolute MUST on a river trip|
Posted by: mmulvey on Mar-01-14 11:03 AM (EST)
a fishing pole. The first and only multi-day kayaking trip I went on was on the upper Susquehenna River in northern PA. Put in early AM Saturday morning and by the time we stopped to camp for the night, we had 7 smallies for dinner. We camped on a small uninhabited island in the middle of the river - HIGHLY recommend doing this if you have the chance. No worries for animals, driftwood everywhere so no issues collecting firewood.
Posted by: Rikjohnson on Mar-03-14 12:21 PM (EST)
that you plan to take.
Posted by: mazer on Mar-05-14 6:39 PM (EST)
I have a sit on to 13' and have lots of experience car camping, but not camping by boiat so it willl be a new experience. Im use to having all my gear in my little trailer right at the site, so this will all be very new for me. After loading everything into the boats we have a one hour paddle to the site, then we unload set camp and everything after that is just recreational paddling as we will be at the same site for about 5 days. Good info, Thanks and sorry for the delay in responding, Im not online often...I woudl rather be outside.
how often will you do it again?|
Posted by: OptiMystic on Mar-06-14 7:24 AM (EST)
Given that description, if this is not likely to be something you do a lot, I would be really tempted to risk using a couple of large plastic bins strapped on the SOT to ferry the stuff over and back. I might even tether a cheap raft or borrowed canoe. Sounds like the odds of a capsize or big waves would be very near zero on the way over and if that happened you would be less than an hour from the car. If you are going to start cruse camping, where you take the stuff with you all day and move each day, then I would look into all the suggestions. Just ferrying stuff over a short distance to set up a base camp is a very different thing.
Posted by: Norwolf on Mar-07-14 2:19 PM (EST)
When i camp i tow an inflatable canoe with lots of gear. Works great -- been doing it for years. Just know that it's slow going in a head wind. I am able to haul chairs, shade structures, music, firewood, etc.
Posted by: mazer on Mar-25-14 10:47 PM (EST)
Thanks to everyone for replying. I have more experience in car camping, and have a utility trailer where I can pack everything and what I need is within easy reach, I do have a second SOT which I could tow behind me and I have a hammock system I could use instead of a tent, reducing weight and awkward bulkiness. I will take the excellent advise and go to a closer fresh water lake where I can practice loading and unloading to see how the boat reacts and to see what I can live with and without. Thanks to everyone who replied.
a hammock alternative|
Posted by: OptiMystic on Mar-26-14 7:22 AM (EST)
If you are considering a hammock system, then I assume you are going to sleep solo and aren't prone to claustrophobia. Look into the CampRite Insect Protection System also. Despite the weird name, with it's included rain fly it's a tent. A very small free standing tent that you can set up on top of most cots. I have a low profile breakdown cot that will fit inside. Of course, just a bag or bag and pad is an option of soft ground. Anyway, it is very light.
Posted by: emanoh on Mar-26-14 8:41 AM (EST)
If you're using a relatively short, sit on top boat you're limited by what you can fit in dry bags and strapped between your feet or behind your back. Whether you're staying out one night or two weeks, really the only difference is your food and water.
did you read his itinerary??|
Posted by: OptiMystic on Mar-26-14 9:59 AM (EST)
On hour of paddling across flat water to unpack at a base site for several days. Plastic tubs are not a good solution for true kayak camping, but for shuttling gear a short distance and then storing it at camp for days they work fine. Towing another craft behind? Again, not for true kayak camping but not that bad for the single flat water crossing. Get a little more context before you belittle other answers. It may be that because other posters took the time to read before replying, their answers do make some sense.
Posted by: emanoh on Mar-31-14 4:37 PM (EST)
forget that idea and PITA |
Posted by: OptiMystic on Apr-02-14 2:53 PM (EST)
are little derisive. You can pitch good ideas without belittling others. I still maintain that a short trip across flatwater is shuttling gear and different than true kayak camping. You can choose to limit yourself unnecessarily for the sake of making a really unlikely problem even less likely, but I wouldn't.
Posted by: emanoh on Apr-04-14 9:31 AM (EST)
Again, I fail to see where I belittled anyone. I provided my opinion and then said towing gear behind is a PITA. What, should I have said that it's a good thing and easy, it's not? No personal attacks, no derogitory comments about the poster. The poster was looking for info and advise and I provided it like 99% of the rest of the posts. Everything else I said was spot on about packing.
Nothing belittling in Emanoh's post|
Posted by: Waterbird on Apr-05-14 1:32 PM (EST)
Gosh, an awful lot can happen in one hour of paddling. Say you're lucky to have good conditions on your trip to the campsite. What about the return trip? Wind and waves can turn one hour into three hours or strand you.
Posted by: Emanoh on Apr-06-14 9:51 AM (EST)
More to an SOT|
Posted by: CoreyR on Mar-26-14 1:00 PM (EST)
Have you ever really looked at a SOT? I have a 11.5 foot Perception Pro Striker and I pack a LOT of gear into that puppy. More than I ever got into a backpack.
Dry bags, dry bags, and more dry ..|
Posted by: jackl on Mar-26-14 9:02 AM (EST)
Posted by: ppine on Mar-28-14 5:48 PM (EST)
The tried and true method is to travel light and make friends with a rafter that can carry a lot of your groups' equipment.
Posted by: fatdaddy on Apr-01-14 7:34 AM (EST)
What do you mean by "tether"?
Posted by: jackl on Apr-02-14 7:10 PM (EST)
Posted by: Rikjohnson on Mar-31-14 2:20 PM (EST)
Sometimes it is better to bite-the-weight and carry more.
Posted by: Waterbird on Apr-06-14 8:16 PM (EST)
Kayak camping should always permit a bit more weight, volume, and comfort than backpacking. That's an advantage of kayaking over backpacking. In fact some kayaks can carry 3 to 4 times the volume of a backpack. That means, for example, that one person can reasonably carry a three-person tent, which is a very comfortable size for one person---lots of room for spreading out and changing clothes, and great on a rainy day when you're stuck in camp. That might weigh around 6 to 7 lbs and pack to about 8" x 23", which is reasonable for a kayak. A two-person tent weighs about 5.5 lbs, so a 3P isn't that much more weight.
Posted by: Rikjohnson on Mar-31-14 2:16 PM (EST)
you will either take too much or too little gear!
I believe this link should help.|
Posted by: GilH on Apr-01-14 12:29 PM (EST)
It's a good starting point on what to take and prepare http://youtu.be/RFgTngo-P3U
tons of tips on Youtube|
Posted by: paddletothesea on Apr-01-14 2:19 PM (EST)
Plenty of cooking, packing, maps, plus more videos on youtube. Just search on there.
Posted by: Norwolf on Apr-02-14 2:22 PM (EST)
Towing another boat might be easier than people think. Just realize you are going to be slower -- especially in a head wind. Down wind i don't notice a difference. Once I get base camp set up, i can do day trips with an empty yak. I can carry months worth of food and water, folding chairs, shade structures, etc. Also, the inflatable canoe i tow is a safety feature. If i capsized the yak and couldn't get back in, i can climb on the stable inflatable.
...or just rent a canoe|
Posted by: natalienass on Apr-03-14 10:46 AM (EST)
You can do all of the things mentioned here, or just rent a canoe, bring a cooler and fill it with beer and steaks.