Solo canoe trailing line or tether?
Posted by: DaveRT on Feb-26-14 7:05 PM (EST) Category: unassigned
Do any of you solo canoeists trail a line or tether yourself to the canoe? In my solo sailing days, I trailed a line behind my sailboats in case I went overboard. Offshore racing we were attached to a life line on night watches or rough weather. Planing another allagash trip solo in spring.
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Posted by: rpg51 on Feb-26-14 7:13 PM (EST)
If I am worried that I may go overboard I stay off the water until things calm down.
Posted by: eckilson on Feb-26-14 7:22 PM (EST)
Trailing line behind the boat might get snagged. Even worse, a tether attached to you might snag yoou.
Posted by: Guideboatguy on Feb-26-14 7:28 PM (EST)
Posted by: kayamedic on Feb-26-14 9:10 PM (EST)
Nope. Wins |
Posted by: DaveRT on Feb-26-14 9:28 PM (EST)
All great replies , thanks. I will take your advice and cut the cord.
Posted by: yknpdlr on Feb-26-14 10:29 PM (EST)
A funny story.... several years ago when I was training with my voyageur crew... our buddy Franz was our excellent stern paddler. Near the end of a long tiring training paddle session, we noticed we hadn't received a "hut" from Franz in quite a while. Looking back, there he was, flailing in the water (actually waiting while wearing his pfd) about a hundred yards back. We never noticed him gone other than missing the hut call. He figured we would notice sooner or later, so he didn't even call out. But he sure got a lot of ribbing for a long time afterward.
Another nope answer...............|
Posted by: thebob.com on Feb-27-14 1:32 AM (EST)
I'm a little surprised that someone hasn't countered the nope answers with, "I do it all the time; nothing ever happens".
Posted by: jackl on Feb-27-14 6:30 AM (EST)
I keep a tether tied to the stern and in the boat.
Posted by: rblturtle on Feb-27-14 7:04 AM (EST)
I once had a line that was accidentally dragging cach on a strainer and stop me dead. It was a struggle to get it loose. There was no knot in it. I also had a loose line accumilate a giant ball of weeds on a long creek paddle I towed for a long time untill I finally figgured out what was making me so tired!
Learn to stay with the boat|
Posted by: Celia on Feb-27-14 8:02 AM (EST)
Canoe or kayak, staying with your boat in a capsize is the most basic of basic things to learn. Tethering is as above a dreadful idea. You need to do some actual capsizing to make sure you have the habit, but spring and warmer water is coming.
not towed, but stowed|
Posted by: Mattt on Feb-27-14 11:35 AM (EST)
painter lines on each end, not towed, but stowed - in a way that keeps them under control and out of a swimmer's way (to avoid rope tangling you up) - typically, stuffed under a bungie cord type of set up. If you go over, you can swim the boat to shore by pushing it, or you can grab the end of hte painter and yank it out from the bungee so that you have a rope that you can use to tow your boat behind you while you swim to shore. adn if approaching a bad rapid while in the water and you don't have the time to tow the boat, you just let go of the line and swim for shore youself.
Reminds me of that terrible feeling|
Posted by: rpg51 on Feb-27-14 2:31 PM (EST)
when you are in the water and you realize that you, and your swamped boat, are barreling down on a class 4. I would just as soon not have that experience again in my life.
Reminds me of that terrible feeling #2|
Posted by: thebob.com on Feb-27-14 7:03 PM (EST)
Wow - quite a story|
Posted by: eckilson on Feb-28-14 7:42 PM (EST)
The guy that threw you the rope was really good, or really lucky. I take that back - you were really lucky.
Posted by: thebob.com on Feb-28-14 11:05 PM (EST)
Luck; I had some that day for sure.
It's all about who you paddle with...|
Posted by: eckilson on Mar-01-14 5:14 AM (EST)
No doubt about that.
No and no. Canoe vs sailboat.|
Posted by: Glenn_MacGrady on Feb-27-14 5:43 PM (EST)
I've never been in a sailboat, but I can see some logic to tethering yourself or dragging a tether so that the boat doesn't sail impossibly away if you fall overboard.
trailing a line may not help anyway|
Posted by: Steve_in_Idaho on Feb-28-14 12:34 PM (EST)
There was a discussion about this practice recently on Sailnet. The majority of the solo sailors responding (last I checked) were not expressing much faith in the practice. The tone of the thread seemed to come down to "don't fall out under sail".
That has nothing to do w/ canoes though|
Posted by: Guideboatguy on Feb-28-14 12:42 PM (EST)
well, it kinda does...|
Posted by: Steve_in_Idaho on Feb-28-14 12:58 PM (EST)
...when talking about rivers. The point being that moving water - over moving through standing water - can make it impossible to free yourself from rope entanglement. The "apparent water speed" (I just coined that term) on a river or behind a sailboat is generally in the same range of speed.
We might be talking of different things|
Posted by: Guideboatguy on Feb-28-14 1:10 PM (EST)
Blowing away boats|
Posted by: rblturtle on Feb-28-14 7:35 PM (EST)
Surprising to me,on several of the occasions after people fell out of canoes,the boats were nearly empty of water. This was on flat water. I twice chased down a fast moving blowing canoe for the occupants that were in the water and had no hope of catching their boat. These events are what made me think of fastening myself to the boat. I know one should hang on to the boat and paddle when you fall out,but in my experience,surprised people often don't. Again I'm talking flat open water.
More on blowing boats|
Posted by: Celia on Mar-01-14 8:11 AM (EST)
I must have misunderstood |
Posted by: jackl on Mar-01-14 10:36 AM (EST)
I thought that is what the op was talking about?
Allagash is a river|
Posted by: kayamedic on Feb-28-14 7:49 PM (EST)
Even with gear?|
Posted by: Guideboatguy on Feb-28-14 8:06 PM (EST)
Now we are probably getting |
Posted by: kayamedic on Mar-01-14 8:24 AM (EST)
Of course, the Allagash|
Posted by: rpg51 on Mar-06-14 5:06 PM (EST)
is both a lake and a river.
I'm with Mattt|
Posted by: eckilson on Mar-01-14 5:18 AM (EST)
Painter lines bow and stern, stowed but in easy reach.
With Matt also|
Posted by: DaveRT on Mar-01-14 7:21 AM (EST)
Lots of great posts, thank you all. Have outfitted canoe with bow and stern lines.
if really paranoid |
Posted by: Harry0244 on Mar-01-14 11:32 AM (EST)
about the canoe drifting away, you could tie a sea anchor to the painter, then to yourself with a string heavy enough to pull it into the water, but light enough to break easily. I think practicing upset and fallout while holding on to the boat would be more effective, and in warm water and weather, fun.
Posted by: pagayeur on Mar-01-14 12:22 PM (EST)
have painter lines on both stems. They should be polypro since it does not stretch and will float while cotton and nylon will not. I prefer 3/8 to 1/2 inch woven for easy grasping. These lines should never trail outside the hull but be coiled up near the deck plate so that they deploy in case of capsize. In the event of a capsize the paddler should automatically be cognizant of where the hull is and if moving grab one of the trailing lines so that the canoe does not get away. It is one of your larger safety devices. Canoes can move fairly fast in lake winds or river current. I guess an 8 ft. length would be minimum but I advise 10 to 12 ft. My opinion.
On the other hand . . . |
Posted by: Glenn_MacGrady on Mar-01-14 3:38 PM (EST)
. . . I did know a solid class 4 canoeist in the '80's who would wear a 75' rope bag-belt around her waist attached to the stern painter. She arranged it so her feet wouldn't tangle in a dump. She had two quick release mechanisms: one being the belt buckle and the other being a Fastex buckle attaching the line to the belt. She also, of course, had a sharp knife.
My philosophy is...|
Posted by: pagayeur on Mar-03-14 10:49 AM (EST)
in white water one should play the odds. Tethering oneself in the way you describe is taking a huge risk and inherently dangerous. I would advise anyone reading this to eschew this system. Odds are you would regret it. I personally find this to be extremely foolhardy. I'm fully aware that some WW paddlers are out there for the thrill of risking their lives. I do not paddle for that reason.
Posted by: CEWilson on Mar-03-14 11:44 AM (EST)
I often trail a line from my solo canoe, usually with an EGB spoon attached, sometimes a Daredevil, in search of brook trout! Anything heavier than, say, 8# test would be unsafe, remembering the artist Tommy Thompson on Canoe Lake in Algonquin Prov Park.
Posted by: rblturtle on Mar-03-14 12:22 PM (EST)
On our home pond,I once had a turtle bit on a trailing line. To clarify, #1-I have bow and stern painters coiled on bungees on all my canoes. #2- I was thinking,while on FLAT windy open water,to fasten my bailing bucket cord to me with a caribener TEMPERAIRLY. #3 I have never done this.
learned by accident|
Posted by: sloopsailor on Mar-06-14 4:54 PM (EST)
NEVER trail a line. My stern painter got knocked off into the water by a branch, I didn't know it. As I was approaching a little twisty spot, it got caught up in some branches in the water.. Whole lot of suck happened!