Here is my situation... I bought a Current Designs Storm GT last weekend from a kayak and canoe shop. After getting it home and inside, and upon closer inspection, I found a "wavy" spot in the hull just below the cockpit. It isn't bad but is noticeable if you look and feel for it. I got past that with the understanding that long poly boats are susceptible to oil canning in that area, and that I could probably fix it. BUT when I was at the court house registering it today, I noticed on the manufacturers proof of origin paper that it was delivered to the store almost two years ago. I paid MSRP for it. My main question is: Is it common (and acceptable) to pay full price for a boat that has been sitting in the store since 2012? Maybe it's not a big deal, I honestly don' know.
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good question...and a tricky answer|
Posted by: daggermat on Feb-18-14 5:28 PM (EST)
Others will disagree with me, but...|
Posted by: Guideboatguy on Feb-18-14 5:32 PM (EST)
... I don't think there's any reason to provide a discount on a boat that's been in the store for two years. There's nothing about the boat that is any different now than when it arrived. Further, except for cars and electronics, nearly all the other expensive items we buy could easily have been laying in the store since the previous year or more and we'd also never know or care. Would you demand a discount on the power saw you just bought, just because it was manufactured more than 12 months ago? Hardly - it's still a new saw and it's still the one you wanted. I'd apply the same reasoning to boats. That doesn't mean you couldn't try to coax them into giving you a deal on such a boat, but as you can see, they must have planned on selling it for full price because someone would eventually want it, and they were right ;)
Posted by: Celia on Feb-18-14 5:56 PM (EST)
would be higher than the one from 2 yrs ago due to inflation. At the least you got a sale of sorts on that.
That you paid MSRP tells me that|
Posted by: kayamedic on Feb-18-14 5:58 PM (EST)
the dealer has room and cash reserves to carry inventory.
Posted by: Peter-CA on Feb-18-14 6:05 PM (EST)
Full retail on a boat a few years old, especially if that boat is still sold as is (so there is not a newer/better version) is not unusual.
Some boats |
Posted by: rpg51 on Feb-18-14 7:19 PM (EST)
will move at 20% discounts in the fall. That is very common. That wave is something that I would want to be sure could be removed which it likely can. A dent or wave in the bottom is very common. I got one in one of my boats from leaving it sitting on the bottom in the garage for a few days. But it came right out with some applications of hot/boiling water and a towel laid over the area. It has never returned since I have been careful about storing it on its side or deck in slings at the bulkheads.
Posted by: ADNelson on Feb-19-14 6:29 AM (EST)
I have had dents/ waves in both of the boats I got, but customer service and the owner's manual both said to let it sit in the sun for a few hours, and it would come out. On one it did, but on the other it required manually pushing out the dent after it had heated.
two years old|
Posted by: jeffro on Feb-18-14 7:42 PM (EST)
Getting the boat for a "new" price isn't so much an issue unless it gets stolen and you report the loss to your insurance agency. They'll devaluate it your brand new boat down two years. (this happened to me when some AH stole my new three year old Hobie Catamaran) Fortunately, the dealership owner (Mr. Tom Hatch) came to my aid to explain the situation. Just saying.... By the way, summer heat may melt your boat (oil can) if it is not laying on the gunwhales or upside down. I don't recommend transporting or storing plastic on cradles/saddles. And it happens fast.
I agree with others|
Posted by: puffingin on Feb-19-14 9:29 AM (EST)
Another point, at least the engine is in good shape or, at least. in as good condition as you thought it was when you bought it. ;)
Posted by: Clint-in-KY on Feb-19-14 9:55 AM (EST)
I think I would use the situation to my advantage. I would go back to the dealer, and tell him/her that you like the boat but did not realize that it was two years old. I would then ask for some compensation in the form of a store credit for future purchases. While I am retired from retail, I do not know what the mark-up is on the boats, but I will bet a lot that the mark-up on the accessories is MUCH higher, making a store credit on those things you will need actually a better deal.
Thank you, all|
Posted by: jander88 on Feb-19-14 9:48 AM (EST)
There have been some very good points made here. It seems like the general answer is that I shouldn't be worried about the boat not being brand new. After reading everyone's comments, I would have to agree. Nothing on the boat has changed since 2012 and I feel confident I can take the slight deformity out of the hull. I can't wait to get her out on the water!
Posted by: magooch on Feb-19-14 10:05 AM (EST)
If you bought the boat as a new boat and not as an "as is" left over, I think you got hosed. A new boat should be as close to perfect as is possible, but it is up to you to check it out very carefully, before you make the deal. I don't care if the wavy bottom is fixable, that alone should have brought a substantial discount. I personally would never buy a boat that has a serious defect. A warped bottom is a serious defect; it says something about how the boat has been cared for and that you had better do some further checking. Be especially sure that the keel line is straight. Polyethylene boats can get warped from end to end and that is a big problem.
Sometimes the excitement.|
Posted by: Bob_d on Feb-20-14 2:26 AM (EST)
....of a new purchase can blind us to imperfections until we get a chance to have a good look at the item at our leisure.
Dealer may not know of a minor defect|
Posted by: Guideboatguy on Feb-20-14 8:30 AM (EST)
I think you did fine...|
Posted by: jswr450 on Feb-19-14 10:32 PM (EST)
You got hosed!!!|
Posted by: natekimh on Feb-19-14 10:51 PM (EST)
But, is Mountainman Outdoors' boat|
Posted by: Yanoer on Feb-19-14 11:59 PM (EST)
in any better condition? The only way to be sure is to check it out in person. Have you verified that their boats are in better condition than the OP's?
Posted by: bmach1 on Feb-20-14 2:10 AM (EST)
There is no way I would pay MSRP on a new yak even for this year, let alone a 2 year old one. Who here would pay MSRP on a 2014 yak? Not me!! So he paid MSRP on a 2 year old yak? Yep in my mind you got screwed. I have never paid MSRP on any of my kayaking gear and never will. I also do not pay MSRP for my cycling gear either. Always, always ask for a better price than they are asking for. If they come down great, if not and you really want they, hey you tried.
Posted by: Guideboatguy on Feb-20-14 8:16 AM (EST)
And Iowa is not Old Forge NY|
Posted by: kayamedic on Feb-20-14 7:39 AM (EST)
shipping costs???? nm|
Posted by: daggermat on Feb-20-14 7:52 AM (EST)
Yes, I should have mentioned|
Posted by: jander88 on Feb-20-14 8:58 AM (EST)
that I live in Iowa. I'm sure there is very little competition between shops as far as touring boats go. To my knowledge, there's only one shop that specializes in sea kayaks in the whole state, the vast majority of boats sold around here are recreational. I've decided I'll contact the retailer and let him know about the wavy area in the hull while the boat is still new to me. That way, if the kayaks performance is affected by that, or a yet to be noticed deformity, I will at least have something to fall back on. The keel line appears to be straight, and besides the slight wave in the hull, the boat appears to be in ship shape.
What surprises me.|
Posted by: magooch on Feb-20-14 9:40 AM (EST)
How absolutely demure some folks are when it comes to buying. There is no excuse for any product, let alone kayaks to be in less than perfect condition when sold as new. New means new--not with acceptable amounts of wear and tear. Any dealer should know how to take care of his merchandise and train his employees to do so.
New boat vs new car.|
Posted by: Yanoer on Feb-20-14 1:17 PM (EST)
Most paddlers expect to get scratches on their boat the first time they use it.
Built-in imperfections can be normal too|
Posted by: Guideboatguy on Feb-20-14 2:03 PM (EST)
Not a political argument here|
Posted by: natekimh on Feb-20-14 7:50 PM (EST)
For every thing I've purchased|
Posted by: Harry0244 on Feb-21-14 9:35 AM (EST)
I have found people who claim to have got a better price, and people who say they paid more. I did not pay msrp for my Storm, but it was a well used demo, and I use it rough. It serves me well on large lakes (including Superior) large rivers and even some smaller lakes. The carrying capacity is great for camping, and it has a good cruise speed. I do have a shorter boat for small rivers and streams.
You didn't get the best deal|
Posted by: Glenn_MacGrady on Feb-22-14 4:42 PM (EST)
You could have done three things to get a better price:
Enjoy the boat|
Posted by: shiraz627 on Feb-22-14 5:07 PM (EST)
Let this be a learning experience. My $3K Swift even came with some imperfections.
You have a good boat. As you progress|
Posted by: string on Feb-22-14 10:39 PM (EST)
through this journey, you will ask yourself that question many times, but when you start using it, if you like it, your cost question will be gone.
You have to register kayaks in Iowa?|
Posted by: yakfisher on Mar-11-14 4:07 PM (EST)
How much does that cost you?
$13 for 3 years|
Posted by: bzeka on Mar-11-14 5:18 PM (EST)
I only have canoes but anything over 13ft has to be registered.
I would be broke if I lived there|
Posted by: Yakfisher on Mar-14-14 3:41 AM (EST)
with all the canoes and kayaks I have.
Don't fret the price.|
Posted by: Cliffjrs on Mar-12-14 3:31 PM (EST)
If you use it, then it is a good deal. If you don't, then it isn't. Spread that over 10 years plus and it really doesn't matter what the price is.