Canak vs solo canoe
Posted by: jenlipe on Feb-04-14 8:21 AM (EST) Category: unassigned
We are going Boundary Water Canoeing Mid August (6 days/5 night-10-14 miles per day). I (Jen) have done Boundary Waters before and kayaked Apostle Islands and my husband (300lb) has done several 100 mile canoe trips. Our son (26) has canoe and kayak experience but not as much. The 4th in our group, 22 year old female with no experience. We had asked about kayaks for two of us to trade off on and a canoe for two.
We have never done a solo canoe or a canak. We had asked about a kayak (son is set on doing). Outfitter suggested the canaks first. Now he thought that a solo canoe (prism) would work better.
Looking for those of you that have experience using a canak and a solo canoe and your opinions.
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Solo learning curve|
Posted by: stevet on Feb-04-14 9:07 AM (EST)
Is much different than a tandem canoe. To jump right in with no experience and expect to paddle 10 miles a day and enjoy it is questionable. The difficulty can easily be compounded by less-than-perfect weather.
Canak and Prism|
Posted by: Andy_Szymczak on Feb-04-14 9:13 AM (EST)
are the same hull. Using a double blade paddle in a solo canoe doesn't require lots of practice, much like paddling a kayak.
Posted by: stevet on Feb-04-14 9:30 AM (EST)
Never occurred to me that they might choose to use a kayak paddle with a solo canoe. Guess I'm just more of a traditionalist than I realized. (discussion of the merits of paddle types not required)
How do you plan to paddle?|
Posted by: pblanc on Feb-04-14 10:40 AM (EST)
I have never paddled a Canak so take my comments with a grain of salt.
Posted by: jenlipe on Feb-04-14 12:19 PM (EST)
If I were to use a solo canoe I was probably going to use a kayak paddle. I still want to do the canak.
Posted by: pblanc on Feb-04-14 12:47 PM (EST)
There is a messageboard for the BWCA and a thread discusses the Canak in comparison with the Prism. Only one individual commenting had actually paddled it, and another had inspected it closely.
Posted by: Dilligaf0220 on Feb-12-14 10:37 AM (EST)
I see no benefit to a decked canoe ...|
Posted by: Glenn_MacGrady on Feb-05-14 9:39 AM (EST)
... for relatively inexperienced paddlers paddling solo with kayak paddles on a lengthy trip with portages.
Posted by: c2g on Feb-06-14 8:40 PM (EST)
When you look at the Canak vs. a Prism, you are basically looking at a decked canoe vs. an open canoe.
An actual Canak owner...|
Posted by: dilligaf0220 on Feb-11-14 4:49 PM (EST)
I always love these Canak posts, because they always end up full of conclusions, opinions, and just simply wrong info, all from people that for the most part haven't even seen one.
Thank you, thank you, thank you!|
Posted by: Yanoer on Feb-11-14 6:17 PM (EST)
That pretty much verifies my understanding of the Canak.
Canak vs Advantage|
Posted by: Dilligaf0220 on Feb-12-14 10:14 AM (EST)
The Canak is slower, by a noticeable margin. It also feels roomier, even with a deck. They both turn around the same rate with offside edging, but the Canak feels much more solid on edge than the Advantage did with it's gunnel at the water.
Thanks for that feedback.|
Posted by: Yanoer on Feb-12-14 3:41 PM (EST)
I owned an ultralight Advantage for a couple years, but sold it because it just wasn't nimble enough for my current paddling preferences. It sounds like the Canak may not be turny enough for me, as well.
Def Not A Freestyle Boat|
Posted by: dilligaf0220 on Feb-13-14 3:00 PM (EST)
The Canak does take a deliberate effort to turn, but when it's trucking it can be surprisingly nimble once you work on your solo sitting strokes.
You can have two identical|
Posted by: kayamedic on Feb-11-14 7:52 PM (EST)
hulls and different seat positions and there is a huge difference in performance.
Deck & Cover|
Posted by: Dilligaf0220 on Feb-12-14 10:29 AM (EST)
Except a deck does more than function as just a spray cover. The slab sided freeboard & high stems are cut down quite a bit. Paddle reach is cut down, better angle easier, better stroke mechanics achieved easier.
You don't have to sit on the floor|
Posted by: kayamedic on Feb-12-14 2:34 PM (EST)
Joe carries five seats of varying heights for Placid craft. True they are cut down in depth. My chief wondering is about hatch sizes and the ability to fit packs in the Canak. My usual Ostrom pack is a good deal bigger than a Woods Mason
Posted by: dilligaf0220 on Feb-13-14 2:34 PM (EST)
My Mason pack isn't exactly squished in the back laying flat on the floor, so there's definitely room for a bigger pack. If there's nothing strapped to the sides a Wabakimi would probably fit.
Video of Canak|
Posted by: Glenn_MacGrady on Feb-12-14 10:34 PM (EST)
Posted by: beachcamper on Feb-13-14 7:54 AM (EST)
Posted by: dilligaf0220 on Feb-13-14 2:56 PM (EST)
I'm 6', 250lb, and I can not imagine how they could make the cockpit bigger, it's open past my knees.
You've definitely convinced me . . . |
Posted by: Glenn_MacGrady on Feb-13-14 3:06 PM (EST)
. . . that the Canak is a great decked sitting canoe. I didn't mean to "insult" it in my prior post.
A rudder is actually useful on some|
Posted by: kayamedic on Feb-13-14 3:27 PM (EST)
canoes and a Canak would sure benefit from having one available. I have a rudder on my Monarch and with the strong cross currents in the Everglades it has come in handy to lessen work on curvy tidal streams. The Monarch is quite maneuverable for a seventeen foot boat: ie it WILL do a 180 with a duffek with rudder up and the rudder aids in tracking.
You CAN kneel in a Canak or most any|
Posted by: Yanoer on Feb-13-14 5:24 PM (EST)
other Wenonah canoe with a slider - if you replace the large bucket with the smaller racing seat or any other seat of your choice.
Seats & Rudders|
Posted by: Dilligaf0220 on Feb-14-14 1:41 PM (EST)
I actually like the stock bucket, so much that I don't use a buttpad. And I am in the boat for six or seven hours at a stretch. I paddled tandem's solo for decades, and was a habitual paddle on one side kneeling paddler that had some habits to break. I've only been using "American style" solo's fulltime for the last two seasons, though I've rented, demo'd & tripped with just about everything out there. I still mostly paddle the Canak with an Ottertail & inwater recovery, mostly because the fishing rods get in the way of sit'n'switching.
Its not all that different|
Posted by: kayamedic on Feb-14-14 2:01 PM (EST)
than a lightweight de ruddered Monarch. I still see no advantage to it over an open solo with spray cover that snaps on (Cooke Custom Sewing) for BWCA. However if you are thinking one boat for many uses its worthwhile.
Lightweight, rudderless - pretty good|
Posted by: DaveO1 on Feb-14-14 3:27 PM (EST)
Actually, a lightweight Monarch design sounds pretty good, for uses in which less cargo space is OK and manageable seas are likely, or where carries are part of the game. Yes, the deck adds weight as compared to open, but still it comes in at around 42 lbs, as opposed to 55 lbs. Those last 12 lbs are huge.
Posted by: beachcamper on Feb-14-14 11:01 PM (EST)
Adding A Rudder Would Be Easy|
Posted by: Dilligaf0220 on Feb-15-14 8:42 PM (EST)
There is easy access into the floatation tanks at the ends, and they are hollow.