Expedition sea kayaks
Posted by: rtw73 on Feb-01-14 9:19 AM (EST) Category: Kayaks
Looking for a new expedition sea kayak for long hauls I'm 220 lbs Fiberglas or Kevlar , rudders or skegs. Suggestions please and thank you happy paddling!
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more info would be helpful|
Posted by: Peter-CA on Feb-01-14 10:02 AM (EST)
More info would be helpful. What types of boat(s) do you currently paddle/do you like? What type of expeditions do you have in mind?
For point A to point B-Qcc500|
Posted by: jaws on Feb-01-14 10:15 AM (EST)
It holds a ton of stuff, tracks really well and is decently fast.
No surprise here.|
Posted by: magooch on Feb-01-14 10:39 AM (EST)
When I went looking for my long distance boat, I tried everything I could find. In the end I chose the Novus Composites Expedition. They are built in Tacoma, Washington; they're fast, track like they're on rails, require no skeg, nor rudder and are just plain gorgeous. Oh, and they love rough water. nckayaks.com.
I like my QCC 700|
Posted by: randy_morgart on Feb-01-14 11:22 AM (EST)
For long trips you can't beat the carrying capacity. It doesn't surf as well as some. But it's fast and handles rough water well.
Yes more info ...|
Posted by: nebeginner on Feb-01-14 1:04 PM (EST)
Like noses on faces, we all have opinions, and open ended questions like that will get you more of those than you can read!
I paddle pretty much everything |
Posted by: rtw73 on Feb-01-14 2:05 PM (EST)
I will use this boat for anything from lake circuits with multiple portages to long sea kayak trips on both coasts of Canada . And all opinions are welcome and appreciated thanks guys. The nc kayaks look sweet by the way!
Posted by: nebeginner on Feb-01-14 2:07 PM (EST)
NC look sweet too. Never heard of them! Nice prices too.
Right now I paddle|
Posted by: rtw73 on Feb-01-14 2:10 PM (EST)
A prijon Yukon expedition and I did have a poly tempest also a prijon Kodiak which I traded for a tandem prijon excursion
I was going to suggest a Kodiak|
Posted by: seadart on Feb-01-14 7:03 PM (EST)
For your weight and ocean paddling with gear, it's a pretty decent boat.
NC and tiny hatches|
Posted by: dc9mm on Feb-01-14 11:22 PM (EST)
Posted by: magooch on Feb-02-14 10:11 AM (EST)
First, I assure you that the NC Expedition does not have an 8" bow hatch. It's 6" as is the day hatch. The stern hatch is 10". The NC Expedition is a rocket that can carry some gear, but you've got to tailor your stuff to the boat. The rear deck is wide and flat enough to carry anything too large to go inside.
negative on NC|
Posted by: gjf12 on Feb-02-14 5:47 PM (EST)
I bought a new NC 17 a few years ago. It was very poorly constructed, and leaked badly at the seams, and there were gaps in the bulkheads. NC told me to use some kind of goop to seal things. I found the seat terribly uncomfortable. It did not handle rough water nearly as well as a Cetus MV I compared it to, nor as well as a Seda Ikkuma. It was, however, fast.
Freya paddled an Epic 18|
Posted by: castoff on Feb-01-14 3:58 PM (EST)
Around Australia in record time!
The Kodiak was a nice boat really |
Posted by: rtw73 on Feb-01-14 8:41 PM (EST)
It didn't paddle as nice as the tempest though but was much more durable than ws poly and capacity was unreal. Tempest pro is on the short list I'm thinking it would be a very rig. Thanks again
Went through some Tempests ...|
Posted by: nebeginner on Feb-02-14 12:24 PM (EST)
Easy Rider Eskimo 18-6|
Posted by: yakfisher on Feb-02-14 4:18 AM (EST)
Posted by: radskierman on Feb-02-14 8:54 AM (EST)
Big boat for big people. You can get an awful lot of stuff in those hatches.
Kajaksport Artisan Millennium|
Posted by: Andy_Szymczak on Feb-02-14 3:53 PM (EST)
Fast, carries a big load, and hard to find one for sale. Those of us who have one would never give it up.
Ok, I'm in|
Posted by: Marshall on Feb-02-14 6:13 PM (EST)
As lkng as all options are now being suggested I'll chin in with what I paddle with in this category;
im really leaning towards the p&h|
Posted by: rtw73 on Feb-03-14 9:11 AM (EST)
cetus hv going to go check one out!
Got water up North?|
Posted by: Marshall on Feb-03-14 1:06 PM (EST)
You test paddling, on water? All I've got is ice. Darned freshwater!
halifax nova scotia |
Posted by: rtw73 on Feb-03-14 2:58 PM (EST)
plenty of water here!
the cetus hv is beautiful |
Posted by: rtw73 on Feb-03-14 3:04 PM (EST)
I am amazed at how snug the fit is in the hv model I was afraid it would be big and loose but it fit like a glove. that's the one for me im going to order it in black on black with black everything!
Check the lead time|
Posted by: Marshall on Feb-03-14 3:21 PM (EST)
Great news that the fit was spot on! Sounds like my reaction to the MV.
found some really good deals |
Posted by: rtw73 on Feb-04-14 7:54 AM (EST)
though and I wont be waiting till august mec told me 6- 8 weeks if that isn't doable I will buy one of the ones that I found already here.
black looks good but...|
Posted by: gstamer on Feb-04-14 2:17 PM (EST)
Freya was in a black NDK Explorer during our Iceland circumnavigation (along with a black drysuit, black PFD and black paddle) and she was very difficult to see in the cold black waters among black volcanic rocks on the coast.
wow good points|
Posted by: rtw73 on Feb-04-14 6:17 PM (EST)
I think I will be buying one of the boats I found locally anyways now just because of the savings one is white and the other yellow with white hull.
Posted by: Andy_Szymczak on Feb-03-14 10:05 PM (EST)
Posted by: Emanoh on Feb-03-14 11:20 PM (EST)
I usually recommend one of three boats to people. IMO these are three classic expedition boats and you can't go wrong selecting any of the three. Pending paddler height and weight, a paddler shouldn't have any problem doing expeditions in a Valley Nordkapp, a Sea Kayak UK (NDK) Explorer or a P&H Cetus. These are three designs that are time tested, haven't changed much and will offer everything a paddler would want in an expedition rigged kayak. When you get something right, no reason to screw with it too much.
wow nice pics where from|
Posted by: rtw73 on Feb-04-14 7:51 AM (EST)
one piece of gear you would probably love which I just picked up last summer sea line baha stern deck bag. sweet for lighter items on deck.
carbon kevlar layup or fg|
Posted by: rtw73 on Feb-04-14 8:03 AM (EST)
is my only question now I found a guy with 2 2013 carbon Kevlars including keel strips and compass for a good price just not sure about the layup as I read carbon Kevlar isn't the best choice of building materials, that it doesn't bond as well as fg and is more encapsulated and will soak up water with wea and tear over time. though this comes from a different builder (nc kayaks) faq page any opinions hmm maybe another post for this one. but with a keel strip what could go wrong and for the price id be paying 100 dolars more for the 2013 than a standard 2014 fg no keel strip or compass.
Posted by: magooch on Feb-04-14 11:46 AM (EST)
If you get the chance to paddle a Valley Norkapp and a P&H Cetus, before you buy a Cetus, I would strongly suggest you do so. I've paddled all of them and I too thought I would really like the Cetus. They certainly are nice boats, but the 18' Nordkapp changed my mind.
in this case price isnt an issue|
Posted by: rtw73 on Feb-04-14 6:29 PM (EST)
I can buy a 2013 carbon Kevlar (not the ultra light)with the keel strip and it also includes a flushmount compass, for 100 dollars more than the fg with no keel strip or compass.
Photos are from...|
Posted by: Andy_Szymczak on Feb-04-14 12:38 PM (EST)
Lake Azischohos in Maine. Items on the back deck of my boat are a camp chair and my sleeping pad and bivy in a dry bag. Both items are light. Heavier stuff is inside the boat.
Who's in the yellow squirt boat?|
Posted by: Marshall on Feb-04-14 1:31 PM (EST)
Or whose yellow boat is under all the dry bags? Like the line from Jaws ".....need a bigger boat." or to not bring the big screen tv in the aft dry bag.
Posted by: Andy_Szymczak on Feb-04-14 3:20 PM (EST)
I'm more of a minimalist. Besides my kayak is18'3" and his boat is 14'.
ok, we've covered the heavier stuff|
Posted by: slushpaddler on Feb-04-14 3:26 PM (EST)
but where did you put the beer and wine?
Posted by: Andy_Szymczak on Feb-04-14 3:39 PM (EST)
Fits nicely between the foot pegs of my boat. I also have a small hatch to access the skeg area at the rear of the Artisan and can fit 8 more cans in there if I need to.
Posted by: slushpaddler on Feb-04-14 4:03 PM (EST)
Every cubic inch counts. Because they let us bring more stuff!
Posted by: paddletothesea on Feb-07-14 3:20 PM (EST)
WHy not the yak that hold THE world record for longest paddle trip??? Here is map of route: