I saw a post on another kayaking forum (West Coast paddler) about a new drysuit company offering a super low cost brethable drysuit. Just thought I would post a link to it. I dont no anything about the suit or the people making it BUT if its even half way decent looks like a good choice for those on a budget.
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Posted by: kayamedic on Jan-19-14 12:48 PM (EST)
Bob Holtzman and a bunch of paddlers( most of them guides) from Maine feel that everyone needs a functional inexpensive drysuit for whitewater and sea kayaking.
If it is reasonably durable|
Posted by: pblanc on Jan-19-14 1:59 PM (EST)
it will be a very good deal.
Great approach |
Posted by: willi_h2o on Jan-19-14 1:59 PM (EST)
Most folks will not do 1,000 mile expeditions of
There's noting "overengineered"...|
Posted by: Bnystrom on Jan-20-14 8:23 AM (EST)
...about a high-quality, durable dry suit with useful features.
One might also watch Sierra |
Posted by: g2d on Jan-19-14 5:34 PM (EST)
Trading Outpost and other discounters for drysuits made by established makers. If a "breathable" drysuit fails, what can you do with it?
I guess I will have to advise Bob|
Posted by: kayamedic on Jan-19-14 5:54 PM (EST)
to charge more!
Posted by: Fred_Randall on Jan-20-14 10:46 AM (EST)
Strongly considering picking one of these up, if only to be a guinea pig for you guys. Curiosity usually gets the best of me. Will report back...
Posted by: mcimes on Jan-20-14 11:59 AM (EST)
Posted by: blitzemall on Jan-21-14 9:28 AM (EST)
Really appreciate this post. Been looking at alternatives to Kokatat.
the problem is when it fails ...|
Posted by: seadart on Jan-21-14 5:38 PM (EST)
The problem with a dry suit that starts leaking through a seam or the fabric gets saturated, is that you discover the problem when you are out in cold water, in rough conditions this could be a very big if not fatal problem. I watched a couple of people have drysuit failures while surfing in cold water, it did cause a fair amount of distress.
can't see the plus side...|
Posted by: RubricOfRuin on Jan-21-14 10:06 AM (EST)
in the economics of a 300 dollar suit vs 900 dollar suit. Time-proven fabric, life-time warranty and overall durability definitely outweights the cheaper price. Likely as not there is a reason for the price - as with everything. Over a lifespan of Kokatat drysuit - that is 10+ years if not 15+, 1000 dollars is miniscule investment into your safety on the water.
I don't think it has to be that way|
Posted by: Guideboatguy on Jan-21-14 10:35 AM (EST)
My personal experience|
Posted by: pblanc on Jan-21-14 10:49 AM (EST)
with less expensive dry garments is that although the seam tapes are initially waterproof, they start to separate after a year or two.
Posted by: dc9mm on Jan-21-14 11:22 AM (EST)
I think the target buyer is the guy/gal who spent less than 700 on a kayak and paddle combined and sure doesnt want to spend way more than that for a drysuit. This will give this person on that kind of budget the abilty to be safer in cold water.
Another take on gaskets|
Posted by: Guideboatguy on Jan-21-14 11:38 AM (EST)
I think for a person who's only doing quiet-water paddling, having exposed gaskets is probably not such a big concern. However, even in quiet water, being quite far from shore might be reason enough to want the gasket's covered. This is just a case of weighing the chances of a tear against the consequences, where even though the risk of a tear is tiny, the consequences when far from shore would be far worse than when on a quiet river. So once again, the cheaper suit might be acceptable for a paddler who's not taking great risks in the first place.
Come to Maine Canoe Symposium|
Posted by: kayamedic on Jan-21-14 11:54 AM (EST)
Bob will be there.
The manufacturer replies|
Posted by: bobholtzman on Jan-21-14 2:59 PM (EST)
I'm Bob Holtzman, the president/founder of Mythic Gear. Nice to see this discussion, which addresses a lot of the issues that I considered when launching the company and developing specs for our first drysuit models.
Bob forgot to mention that he|
Posted by: kayamedic on Jan-21-14 3:52 PM (EST)
IS a paddler.
Responding to questions|
Posted by: bobholtzman on Jan-22-14 12:45 PM (EST)
Mythic drysuits will be available for inspection and sale at the Maine Canoe Symposium. Typically, we'll be selling only online, but MCS represents an exception, since I will be running the "store" for the benefit of the other vendors.
Posted by: Kudzu on Jan-21-14 5:03 PM (EST)
Excellent idea! When someone mentioned that high-dollar drysuits are made to last 10-15 years I thought "Whoa, some of us sea kayakers don't expect to be physically ABLE that far down the road."
Posted by: RubricOfRuin on Jan-24-14 9:47 AM (EST)
My gore-tex jacket is about 11 years old, I'd expect my dryisuit age as gracefully as I do ><
Posted by: ShadyClip on Jan-21-14 7:57 PM (EST)
Being 74" tall,|
Posted by: tetonjohn on Jan-22-14 10:42 AM (EST)
looks like I'm outta luck (for now anyway).
Posted by: bobholtzman on Jan-22-14 2:23 PM (EST)
Shadyclip-- no plans to be in new jersey this year. regarding sIze, see my answer from earlier today. sorry to disappoint. hopefully we will grow big enough fast enough to satisfy these requests.
thanks and kudos|
Posted by: slushpaddler on Jan-22-14 8:38 PM (EST)
QWS 2014 in Michigan ?|
Posted by: willi_h2o on Jan-22-14 7:22 PM (EST)
Would love to see one at the
Posted by: windwalker on Jan-22-14 11:03 PM (EST)
So any incentive for the first P-netter guinea pig?
no discounts for guinea pigs|
Posted by: bobholtzman on Jan-23-14 12:03 PM (EST)
Hey Windwalker -- you're tough! We have the USA's cheapest drysuit and you want to beat us up on shipping even before they're available? (I'm still smiling; no harm in asking.)
Posted by: Guideboatguy on Jan-23-14 12:06 PM (EST)
I almost posted something last night along those lines, but bit my tongue instead. "Yeah, that's an amazing price for what seems like it might be a good product. I'd love to own one, but only if you do ME a favor first."
Posted by: windwalker on Jan-23-14 12:18 PM (EST)
I'm glad you're still smiling. I am too.
Posted by: Harry0244 on Jan-24-14 9:37 AM (EST)
Do you have many pre-sold? I am planning to order one as a birthday present to my self next month. Will I be able to receive it for early April paddling?
Posted by: Harry0244 on Jan-24-14 10:16 AM (EST)
Procrastination is for chickens, I sent in my order. I will post a review when it comes, and after the first time out.
Posted by: windwalker on Jan-24-14 6:42 PM (EST)
I sent an e-mail with a few questions yesterday and didn't hear back yet. I guess they are busy filling orders.
Posted by: windwalker on Jan-30-14 7:18 PM (EST)
So I sent off a second emial via their website and still no response. I think I did piss em off. Or they sold so many drysiuts they don't need to sell any more????
Posted by: bobholtzman on Jan-30-14 8:21 PM (EST)
Windwalker -- Have not received your email. Very sorry nonetheless. Please try me at my personal email: email@example.com. (note two "com"s.) I will answer your questions and also try to figure out why I didn't receive your email through the website. Definitely not ignoring you intentionally.
Contact form not working; email instead|
Posted by: bobholtzman on Jan-31-14 8:21 AM (EST)
Thanks to Windwalker for alerting me to the fact that the contact form on our website isn't working. We're looking into the problem and will report back when it's functioning. Until then, feel free to email us at firstname.lastname@example.org.
Another update: contact form IS working|
Posted by: bobholtzman on Jan-31-14 8:41 AM (EST)
So all the input from the contact form actually has been getting to me, feeding into a spreadsheet in Google Docs that I knew nothing about. Big duh!
Posted by: Harry0244 on Feb-09-14 10:39 AM (EST)
E-mail says suits are going through customs, and shipping is planned to start 18 February. Got my credit card statement, and they have charged me for it already.
New Stolquist for $250|
Posted by: phrancis on Jan-30-14 2:16 AM (EST)
The other year I picked up a new base model breathable Stolquist suit on closeout for $250 at my local paddle shop in Portland. It didn't have a relief zipper and only ankle gaskets, but full cuffs and a beefy zipper. That was a rare find, but I'd be curious about this new company. Exposed latex would probably see limited sun exposure and I bet the casual flat water paddler wouldn't easily tear it. I guess the long term performance of the fabric and seams would be my main concern.
I also have an old Stolquist|
Posted by: yatipope on Jan-30-14 10:18 PM (EST)
Way back in 1999 I bought a base model Stolquist exactly like you describe for a clearance price of $225. That was almost 15 years ago so this is a good deal for the less demanding paddler. BTW that old blue drysuit lasted me about 4 years of pretty rough use all over the Olympic Peninsula whitewater canoeing the Sol Duc, Elwha, Queets, Hoh, Bogachiel, Dosewallips, the Satsops, Canyon and an unforgettable experience going down the Wynoochee Gorge at 2000cfs where I almost flushed through "landslide Cascade". I did portage and it was not easy!
Hands On Perspective.|
Posted by: elcarajo on Feb-13-14 6:15 PM (EST)
I met with Bob Holtzman last night, and he showed me one of his Mythic Gear drysuits. I have to make a disclaimer that I have never had a drysuit, and have limited knowledge with the things. However, I was pleased to find that the materials seemed decent quality, the seams looked good, and the zippers looked outstanding.
Drysuit needs Layering Underneath|
Posted by: willi_h2o on Feb-15-14 12:17 AM (EST)
You'll want some room to layer some garments
Posted by: Harry0244 on Feb-21-14 9:12 AM (EST)
from Mythic is that after delays from weather and US Customs, the dry suits should arrive in Boston today, then be in Maine in a couple days.
Posted by: bobholtzman on Feb-24-14 3:30 PM (EST)
I just spoke with my freight forwarder, and I'm assured that Mythic will receive its first shipment of drysuits tomorrow (Tuesday, Feb.25). We will ship by Webnesday latest.
Posted by: windwalker on Feb-24-14 7:28 PM (EST)
that I will be testing this weekend
Posted by: Harry0244 on Feb-25-14 7:05 PM (EST)
Ups tracking shows
Posted by: blitzemall on Feb-26-14 9:03 AM (EST)
I'm looking forward to reviews.
Posted by: windwalker on Feb-26-14 6:50 PM (EST)
According to UPS tracking, my suit will be in hand tomorrow.
It came today|
Posted by: Harry0244 on Feb-28-14 4:00 PM (EST)
I returned from some errands, and UPS had left the package at my front door. I noticed my only complaint as I drove up the driveway. The front of the box was not closed all the way. A single strip of packing tape was pulled along the opening between the flaps, and it had not stuck well to the box. One end of the box was crushed (UPS ?) so that the vertical corners had split, and I opened the flaps without disturbing what tape was there.
Posted by: bobholtzman on Mar-02-14 9:42 PM (EST)
Harry: thanks for the pre-review. Packaging problem noted. All boxes will be more securely taped in the future to prevent that problem from happening again.
Posted by: jjmish on Mar-03-14 10:27 AM (EST)
Hoped to place an order but the meager maximum chest size put a halt to that.
Americans are Fat|
Posted by: Guideboatguy on Mar-03-14 10:52 AM (EST)
Posted by: NateHanson on Mar-03-14 12:08 PM (EST)
Actually kokatat will change the length of arms and legs on a suit for a very reasonable fee.
What's "reasonable" depends on...|
Posted by: Guideboatguy on Mar-03-14 1:12 PM (EST)
... the thickness of your wallet. I ordered mine at Canoecopia, so besides having the chance to try on their "blanks" as a means of testing fit, I had the chance to talk at length with a factory rep. The cost of altering a suit to provide a proportionally better fit was too much for me to swallow. I'm not saying the price was unfair or anything, only that it was way too much for me to justify (I seem to recall that it was an extra few hundred dollars for any non-standard size, and I can wear a rope around my waist to take care of the issue).
Posted by: NateHanson on Mar-06-14 8:33 AM (EST)
I believe the MSRP to add length to the arms or legs is about $70. Shortening arms or legs is about half that. More like $100 if you want to change the length of the torso.
consumer feedback welcome|
Posted by: jjmish on Mar-04-14 11:14 AM (EST)
"There was a time when not nearly as many people were too big fit an "extra large" as is the case today. In any case, lets cut the maker some slack. He's just starting out and is spending money a lot faster than it is coming in, and probably aiming to cover sizes that will fit the majority of potential buyers. Let's hope he's successful enough in doing this that catering to the upper end of the size spectrum becomes cost-effective."
45" is typically an XL drysuit|
Posted by: paddlemore on Mar-06-14 9:12 AM (EST)