-- Last Updated: Dec-07-13 5:00 PM EST --
Richard Guin of Mohawk Canoes says he was just informed by Poly One (the sole manufacturer of Royalex) that any orders for Royalex sheet for new boat construction must be placed by the close of business on Monday.
Poly One will cease all Royalex production as of next April. Guin had previously been informed that manufacturers would be able to place orders until or through March of next year.
So if you were thinking about buying a new Royalex canoe next year, better call the manufacturer or their dealers pronto and see if they have any in inventory, and if not, ask if they are ordering Royalex sheet to manufacture any next spring.
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Want to buy my Penobscot 16 ?|
Posted by: JackL on Dec-06-13 8:31 PM (EST)
I'm only asking $10,000 for it.
Posted by: thebob.com on Dec-07-13 11:36 AM (EST)
Oh yeah, that's a steal of a deal; someone should snap that one up really quick............it's gonna be a "collectible".
So if not Royalex, everyone buys a Q 17?|
Posted by: jpc on Dec-07-13 11:58 AM (EST)
Quetico 17's in each driveway?
Hard to believe and so sad|
Posted by: Glenn_MacGrady on Dec-07-13 3:34 PM (EST)
I distinctly recall dragging my 100 pound Mad River Royalex Explorer over boulders in the Sierra Nevada mountains of northern California, circa 1981, and saying that the three greatest inventions of my lifetime were Pampers, velcro and Royalex.
Does anyone know |
Posted by: rpg51 on Dec-07-13 4:02 PM (EST)
why the manufacturer is dumping the product and why they have not spun it off to another manufacturer?
not profitable enough|
Posted by: pblanc on Dec-07-13 4:28 PM (EST)
Apparently, the bean counters at Poly One decided that manufacture of Royalex sheet was not profitable enough to continue production even after they jacked the price up about 20% immediately after buying out Spartech.
Talking to the guys at Mohawk they said |
Posted by: pirateoverforty on Dec-07-13 4:43 PM (EST)
It's not even about manufacturing rights. That's all public domain now. It's that there are few needs for big sheets of extruded plastic, and even fewer needs for sheets of bonded layers of the stuff. Anyone who had the machines could start making it tomorrow.
Posted by: mintjulep on Dec-09-13 1:52 PM (EST)
This is the third company to discover that there is no money to be made in manufacturing Royalex.
Gourmet Meal For a Piece Meal Capitalist|
Posted by: canoeswithduckheads on Dec-07-13 4:34 PM (EST)
What would be a good last buy |
Posted by: pirateoverforty on Dec-07-13 4:55 PM (EST)
I recently ordered a mohawk odyssey 15 in solo, haven't even got it yet. It was a toss up between the Solo 13, but I went for the ability to carry some overnight camping supplies or a young grandkid. They are both 30" wide. (The Odyssey and the Solo, not the grandkids) I paddle some good sized rivers and stumps lurking just below the surface are an issue. I don't have any whitewater to paddle.
It is hard for me to believe|
Posted by: rpg51 on Dec-07-13 11:22 PM (EST)
that various companies making royalex canoes are actually going to let it go. I have to assume that royalex continues to be a big part of the sales revenue of Old Town and Nova Craft and Mad River - others as well.
Note Old Town is transitioning|
Posted by: kayamedic on Dec-07-13 11:46 PM (EST)
all rotomolded canoes and kayaks to LT 9000 which is lighter than current PE. I look for it to be a replacement for Rx
KM, Denny Lange's text on canoe |
Posted by: ezwater on Dec-09-13 6:16 PM (EST)
materials fails the accuracy test in important ways. The text is clearly manipulative to make it support OT's marketing conclusion.
Do they have a choice?|
Posted by: Guideboatguy on Dec-08-13 2:12 AM (EST)
All that I've been reading here suggests they have no choice about this at all. Clearly it can't be economically feasible for a company to equip themselves to make a material that's only used for making canoes, unless it could be done with very little investment (and that doesn't seem to be the case). It was one thing for a big company like Uniroyal or Spartech to try to market it for many purposes, and failing that, to continue making material for the tiny canoe market until the machinery wears out since the capital investment has already been made. Apparently the new owners of Spartech don't want to waste money on replacing aging equipment to produce a product that can only be sold in small quantities, and I can't imagine how some other company could find a way to make Royalex production profitable. I'm as disappointed as anyone, but would be amazed if Royalex somehow makes a comeback.
Posted by: pblanc on Dec-08-13 10:43 AM (EST)
Lets see, in royalex I have...|
Posted by: eckilson on Dec-08-13 9:07 AM (EST)
two WW solos, one flatwater solo, and a decent tandem/poling boat. Unless these boats get stolen, that should last me a lifetime, or at least until some new product replaces royalex.
Who needs it?|
Posted by: TommyC1 on Dec-08-13 4:17 PM (EST)
It is probably a small market but |
Posted by: rpg51 on Dec-08-13 6:10 PM (EST)
these boats will be badly missed by those of us who enjoy trips in the arctic regions. I still believe they will find a way.
Posted by: gremmie on Dec-09-13 7:07 AM (EST)
The Chinese. I mean with the expansion of the Panama Canal and all those freight containers for the unloading and our need to import to settle their nerves about all the cash we borrow ... some US entrepreneur should be able to get the Chinese to buy that royalex equipment for pennies on the dollar and Voila -- Chinese popout canoes made from native American designs. The American patriot way. At least until the oil patches don't run dry.
I'm with Tommy|
Posted by: timburris on Dec-09-13 8:06 AM (EST)
They don't make auto bodies out of royalex - for a reason.
I agree in part|
Posted by: pblanc on Dec-09-13 10:55 AM (EST)
It is true that good quality composite boats made with a robust layup will be plenty strong enough for the vast majority of users, including those who do a lot of river paddling, and even some of those who paddle whitewater. But good quality composite canoes have been significantly more expensive than Royalex boats which puts them out of reach for some folks.
Posted by: thebob.com on Dec-09-13 1:13 PM (EST)
"Oh dear. Trooper Streaker!"|
Posted by: canoeswithduckheads on Dec-09-13 5:01 PM (EST)
Posted by: al_a on Dec-09-13 10:18 PM (EST)
I just bought a new OT Penobscot 16 and a new Wenonah Vagabond in the last year and a half, duplicating the Royalex boats I already had (and I bought them before knowing about the demise of Royalex, so I'm feeling a little like a fortune teller right now). For my purposes--float-fishing Ozark streams for the most part--nothing else does as well as Royalex. The various glass/kevlar lay-ups are all too noisy for fishing when you're often scraping over gravel and rocks, the poly boats are too much heavier. I'm really glad I now probably have enough Royalex boats to last a long time.
Posted by: pgeorg on Dec-10-13 8:41 AM (EST)
buying an new Royalex boat while I still can got me to thinking about the last one I bought. That was before I knew that they came out of the factory in a soft "green" state and, as such, were vulnerable to dings and gouges. Were I to buy another, I'd want to leave it curing for a year or two before using it. And, that might mean that my heirs would be the first to paddle it.
Posted by: rblturtle on Dec-10-13 9:02 AM (EST)
#1 roylex canoes are way cheaper than composits helping people to get into the sport who don't want to spend $2,000+. I think this will unfortunatly push more to cheap kayaks.
"So, what's the buzz, tell me what's...|
Posted by: canoeswithduckheads on Dec-12-13 8:44 AM (EST)
...happening?" (These are sad times we, or at least I, live in, when one resorts to quoting Andrew Lloyd Webber disciple doo-wop! Or, imparting the question with a Rockyesque dollop of Brotherly Shove brogue, is it Andrew Dice Clay?)
Don't really no wassup, Tom|
Posted by: pblanc on Dec-12-13 9:18 AM (EST)
I know that both Esquif Canoe and Johnson Outdoors (Old Town) claim to have purchased or ordered enough Royalex sheet for their anticipated 2014 production runs.
Posted by: canoeswithduckheads on Dec-12-13 10:31 AM (EST)
I suspect, having seen what's been up with the manufacturing and industrial real estate market the last five years, that there's a huge supply of those big facilities/structures available for accommodating large manufacturing equipment. At least here on the east coast around large transportation hub cities like Baltimore and Philadelphia, although I'd also suspect it's the same case (sadly for the fate of this nation's economy and future wellbeing) nationwide. When these facilities do get sold/re-utilized it is usually because they're near the water, and then they get either razed completely or, old brick having its "street appeal," they're "re-purposed" as pricy lofts, or corporate headquarters and distribution centers for tony sellers of Chinese-made athletic wear, or investment brokerage firms trying to "purify" their air with sort of an "Off Wall Street - But Not Too Far!" location.
This just in|
Posted by: pblanc on Dec-13-13 3:01 PM (EST)
From Richard Guin of Mohawk Canoe posted on Facebook about an hour ago:
That is really sad for Mohawk and all |
Posted by: Yanoer on Dec-13-13 3:13 PM (EST)
all those who wanted one of those boats.
Posted by: thebob.com on Dec-13-13 5:42 PM (EST)
Posted by: gremmie on Dec-14-13 11:52 AM (EST)
Dugouts to you. Head down to the Saint Francis mountains. Mine you some of the right igneous rocks. Shape you a gouge, kill you a deer for tendon cordage, haft to an hickory handle and get to work on a bald cypress log. The oil patch has made this a sport vs. a way of life. Just a sign of things to come ahead from the way back years -- digital age meet stone age.
Posted by: PJC on Dec-14-13 1:16 PM (EST)
Not Avon, Ohio|
Posted by: pblanc on Dec-17-13 7:47 AM (EST)
Posted by: gremmie on Dec-17-13 7:56 AM (EST)
Spartech and Polyone had small waste generator permits at the Warsaw, IN facility. They were more of an assembly operation. I imagine the big waste generation occurred earlier in the manufacturing process at the big plants where the oil was initially processed. Trace it back to the Canada Tar Sands or the BP Gulf oil spill and it ain't a happy footprint all around. Someday this black river will flow no more. We were shortsighted to have grown a civilization on it. But just insane to grow further on it. But, the growth god rules and we all follow the religion.
That's what I would think|
Posted by: PJC on Dec-17-13 7:21 PM (EST)
also. I don't have any experience working in plastic manufacturing, but I, too, would think that where the component plastics themselves were made would be where the generation of any (or most) waste or toxic byproducts would occur. I'd also expect that with as much of these component plastics being made, and for as many purposes as they are being applied to, that there'd be safeguards at the place of manufacture in place to handle them, for economic as well as environmental reasons.
Posted by: gremmie on Dec-18-13 5:30 AM (EST)
The dinosaurs lasted until a mega asteroid got cozy with earth's orbit. Now, man, living on fossil energy, is the asteroid, the mother of the earth's new mega extinction event. Just thought I'd give this royalexophility a little deep time context. Party on.
Posted by: yakjak on Dec-17-13 4:47 AM (EST)
called them yesterday to see if they had any odyssey 14s left in stock... wanted one to put back ... they are gone. not making anymore is what i was told... oh well at least I have one in decent shape...
Another stake in the heart of open . . .|
Posted by: Glenn_MacGrady on Dec-17-13 12:50 PM (EST)
"It ain't always...|
Posted by: canoeswithduckheads on Dec-17-13 5:00 PM (EST)
Life is short|
Posted by: LeeG on Dec-17-13 10:32 PM (EST)
Hold your canoe close
Obviously the solution is more chines!|
Posted by: LeeG on Dec-18-13 1:07 PM (EST)