Dagger Outburst vs. Santee 100 LT
Posted by: Duke94 on Dec-01-13 10:27 PM (EST) Category: Kayaks
I'm hoping to buy my boyfriend his first kayak for Christmas. I'm a little low on cash, but I'd like to get him a decent first vessel so I'm looking to buy used in my area. I found a Dagger Outburst for sale and have heard it's a great whitewater boat and can be decent on open water. We live on the Gulf Coast so at the moment we'd only be on open water but I love WW and he'd love to try it out. Should I buy the Santee (recreational) or the Dagger? Both are a good deal, same price, and I can only really afford one for now.
I'd appreciate any views on either boat, or if anyone knows of any others I could buy in the New Orleans area for under $300 I'd appreciate it!
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Very different boats|
Posted by: wavespinner on Dec-02-13 8:14 AM (EST)
The Outburst was one of the first whitewater kayaks to migrate toward play with lower volume (buoyancy) and more rocker (tendency to turn instead of tracking straight). Designed for fast, twisty whitewater, it would be a chore to paddle any distance in a straight line without current propelling it. On the plus side, the outfitting facilitates control and it could be some fun to surf. With a beam of 24", it would require more skill than the Santee (30" beam) to remain upright, but is a lot easier to roll. Fit would be tight for a larger paddler.
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Posted by: Celia on Dec-02-13 11:31 AM (EST)
WW boats are not remotely the same as boats designed for open water, and are especially frustrating for anyone just learning to paddle because you will spend a lot of time spinning in circles. Or going forward very slowly. This is not fun for most new paddlers. It doesn't matter whether the WW boat in question is old or new - they are tuned for very different behaviors than you want for a flat water boat.
Posted by: davejjj on Dec-02-13 12:15 PM (EST)
I have an Animas which is close to |
Posted by: ezwater on Dec-02-13 5:17 PM (EST)
an Outburst with a fat bow. I paddle both in SE whitewater, and in Louisiana bayous.
Posted by: spirit4earth on Dec-04-13 10:28 PM (EST)
If you're talking about a Hurricane Santee, that's a great boat, but not for whitewater. It's too fragile for rivers where you might hit big rocks. What about a Liquid Logic XP 9 or 10?