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So, I've been reading here about the tradeoffs regarding [primary] stability and performance. I live in the interior and have not had experience with many sea kayaks. I do HAVE an Eddyline Fathom (and an older Necky Mainitou 14). I don't know where the Fathom fits on the [primary]stability - performance continuum. For example, I see the Romany referred to as a more stable "babysitter." What would be cool to see is a SHORT list of the more popular sea kayaks in order of "babysitter" to high performance -- with the Fathom in the list -- just so I have some context (don't need surf skis on the list!). Short of that, just knowing if the Fathom is more of a babysitter than the Romany would be interesting to me.
Edit: The Eddyline comparisopn chart says stability is "medium" -- but that just helps a bit in selecting among THEIR kayaks -- and the high stability ones are the real wide ones (24" and greater; rec/"touring" kayaks really).
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Posted by: bartc on Nov-20-13 3:44 PM (EST)
Seem to do a good job of rating kayaks on multiple dimensions from any line that they carry. Try their website.
Posted by: WaterBird on Nov-20-13 11:53 PM (EST)
Frontenac has the best website in the kayak business. You can practically use it as a reference guide. It has more information than the manufacturers' websites. Very nice folks to talk to also.
not the same for everyone|
Posted by: magooch on Nov-21-13 9:37 AM (EST)
The stability of a given kayak, seems to be dependent somewhat on the individual. I've paddled a lot of sea kayaks and can't remember any that felt tippy after the first few paddle strokes. However, it sometimes does take a little time to check out all of the balance points. One particular boat I remember is the Tiderace Xplore, which to me felt very stable until I leaned back a little. It seemed to just let go. None of the other boats of the same brand gave that sensation.
sadly no eddyline at frontenac|
Posted by: tetonjohn on Nov-21-13 11:45 AM (EST)
So many variables|
Posted by: ByronWalter on Nov-21-13 4:02 PM (EST)
I weight 145 and had a Fathom LV. I felt extremely unstable in that boat. I switched to an Eddy built RockPool and it is the exact reverse... the boat works great in rough water for me at my modest weight. And when I do get dumped, it easily rolls back up. I did have to add hip pads but with them this longish boat is perfect for me in conditions. Night and day between it and the Fathom LV.
Oh yeah, you're right, sorry|
Posted by: WaterBird on Nov-21-13 8:10 PM (EST)
Frontenac carries Delta, not Eddyline. And if you like thermoform and are concerned about stability, you should definitely look at Deltas. They are very stable and buoyant (ride over waves).
Performance & Stability |
Posted by: trilliumlake on Nov-22-13 12:41 PM (EST)
A high-performance sea kayak isn't necessarily unstable. There are a lot of variables: hull design, paddler build, load, paddler experience among them.
Posted by: tetonjohn on Nov-22-13 1:57 PM (EST)
don't put too much into the v hull|
Posted by: slushpaddler on Nov-22-13 2:01 PM (EST)
if the v is very shallow such as on some recreational kayaks, it's not going to significantly compromise stability. Look at the acuity of the v in the hull section of the silhouette, for example, which also has a narrow beam.
Posted by: gmuller on Dec-04-13 4:09 AM (EST)
I weight in at about 180 lbs. I currently own 4 kayaks: Eddyline Fathom LV, Samba, NC escape, Epic 16X. I am comfortable paddling them in rough conditions here in the Gulf north of Tampa. Although if things get really bad, I prefer the NC Escape for stability.
I couldn't agree more.|
Posted by: magooch on Dec-04-13 11:02 AM (EST)
When I know I'm going to be in the really rough stuff, I want to be in my NC (Expedition). Come to think about it, I want to be in it most of the time.
Posted by: tetonjohn on Dec-04-13 5:22 PM (EST)
gmuller and magooch, I assume you both are referring to strong secondary stability (and do you attribute this to some specific design element?). gmuller, i can see 'compared to what;' magooch: compared to what?
NC maneuverability vs Epic 16X and|
Posted by: Yanoer on Dec-06-13 1:04 PM (EST)
Fathom LV? I have an Epic Touring Cruiser 16 and a Fathom LV and appreciate the greater edge turning ability of the Fathom LV over the Epic, but the thigh braces just hit me in the wrong spot and at 50 lbs, it's a bit heavier than I'd like.
Phatom secondary stability vs. NC|
Posted by: gmuller on Dec-06-13 10:11 AM (EST)
According to NC - their K's are designed with additional volume above the waterline in the bow and stern. In rough water this provides additional buoyancy keeping the bow up. Combined with the upsweep bow and aided by what they call the performance flange it makes for an outstanding rough water kayak.
I gota ask|
Posted by: dc9mm on Dec-06-13 11:33 AM (EST)
What's with the tiny front hatch on NC kayaks. It looks like a day hatch. I have trouble getting things into my 10 inch NDK hatches. I couldn't imagine trying to fit anything into that front hatch of any of those NC kayaks.