What is a kayak?
Posted by: RubricOfRuin on Nov-15-13 10:21 AM (EST) Category: Kayaks
There is an awful lot of talk about kayaks on this board ;-) which led me to thinking - is it OK that we call recreational boats, whitewater boats, inflatables and sit-on-tops "kayaks". Most of them have very little to do with a "quyaq" - a long narrow hunting boat. I'm not nitpicking on word use, just want to see what other people think about it. Somehow it makes more sense to me when people say "whitewater boat" rathern than "whitewater kayak". But that's just me.
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You're right. It is just you. |
Posted by: ezwater on Nov-15-13 10:25 AM (EST)
more about paddle than boat|
Posted by: jcbikeski on Nov-15-13 10:43 AM (EST)
There's a whole spectrum of vessels and ways to propel them so it's all a blur. But for most practical purposes anything where you sit and use a two bladed paddle is a kayak. So yes, in a way a canoe that happens to be paddled in such a way is a kayak. For most discussions it's wise to include the type of kayak.
canoe bit reminds me of...|
Posted by: RubricOfRuin on Nov-15-13 11:00 AM (EST)
- "Can a bicycle be Air Force One?"
Then it would be...|
Posted by: Canuka on Nov-15-13 11:15 AM (EST)
...Tour de Force One.
president falls off...|
Posted by: jeffro on Nov-17-13 2:39 PM (EST)
that would be called a reason to celebrate
"kayak" and "canoe" are cluster |
Posted by: ezwater on Nov-15-13 11:33 AM (EST)
concepts. "Dog" is a cluster concept. "Whitewater boat" is a cluster concept.
Except in UK where kayak = Canoe|
Posted by: seadart on Nov-17-13 11:40 PM (EST)
I had a very strange conversation in Scotland once trying to rent a "Canoe"
Posted by: phrancis on Nov-15-13 1:50 PM (EST)
They're all canoes |
Posted by: cockneykayaker on Nov-15-13 2:55 PM (EST)
This side of the pond.
I'm on SOTP a lot, and UK paddlers |
Posted by: ezwater on Nov-15-13 6:11 PM (EST)
consistently draw a distinction between canoes and kayaks. I have not seen anyone trying to lump them together.
Posted by: cockneykayaker on Nov-16-13 2:35 PM (EST)
Irrelevant. We all know that most in |
Posted by: ezwater on Nov-17-13 5:09 PM (EST)
the UK were deluded about the kayak and canoe distinction, way back when the BCU lurched toward Bethlehem.
Really full of yourself|
Posted by: cockneykayaker on Nov-18-13 3:46 AM (EST)
Aren't you. Just another yank who thinks he knows more about the UK than someone who lives here. (There are plenty on the B&B board just like you)
Posted by: zerbe on Nov-15-13 5:04 PM (EST)
In whitewater slalom, if you sit on your knees and use a single blade, you are paddling a canoe. If you sit with your legs in front of you and use a double bladed paddle, you are paddling a kayak. Both are boats, vessels that are used on water.
Amount of Material|
Posted by: willi_h2o on Nov-16-13 1:57 AM (EST)
Just put some material on a canoe
Why would that be? Spray covers |
Posted by: ezwater on Nov-17-13 5:51 PM (EST)
have been added to canoes for quite some time. And, we have decked canoes, of which I have owned several. Of course, people call them kayaks, but they're wrong.
Want to go for a paddle?|
Posted by: krusty on Nov-16-13 7:19 AM (EST)
I have a boat you can use.
Is it winter time already? |
Posted by: shirlann on Nov-17-13 5:28 PM (EST)
Sounds like it and we in for it if this type of question is appearing already.
This is just the latest iteration|
Posted by: kayamedic on Nov-18-13 7:38 AM (EST)
of a really really old discussion. It's far from a new topic.
As with most things|
Posted by: jimyaker on Nov-17-13 10:25 PM (EST)
Not always easy to write a complete definition, but pretty easy to identify most of the time -- at least when you see it paddled. The same hull can often be converted from kayak to a C-1.
I have converted a c-1 to a kayak, and |
Posted by: ezwater on Nov-18-13 5:53 PM (EST)
what made it a kayak was that I could only paddle it sitting on the bottom of the hull, using a double bladed paddle.
Thus speaks the monitor.|
Posted by: cockneykayaker on Nov-19-13 9:16 AM (EST)
Posted by: rblturtle on Nov-18-13 5:28 AM (EST)
When helping people getting into paddling,I tell them anything you sit on the bottom of and paddle with a dubble paddle is for practical purposes a kayak. If you shut your eyes they all feel similar.A canoe is a boat you can sit or high kneel in and use a single blade. Bet I'll get some purest objections to this,notice I said"for practical purposes".
it's a type of canoe|
Posted by: slushpaddler on Nov-18-13 3:51 PM (EST)
From Oxford English dictionary:
It's so nice to be able to jettison |
Posted by: ezwater on Nov-18-13 6:40 PM (EST)
your own judgement, and rely on people you never met, and who never paddled a thing.
Really full of yourself|
Posted by: cockneykayaker on Nov-19-13 9:15 AM (EST)
How do you know what the contributors to that august document do for a hobby.
get over yourself g2d|
Posted by: slushpaddler on Nov-19-13 10:21 AM (EST)
I'd think by now, you'd have realized no one takes you nearly as seriously as you take yourself.
glad to annoy you and cocky.|
Posted by: ezwater on Nov-19-13 11:32 AM (EST)
"amuse" is more appropriate|
Posted by: slushpaddler on Nov-19-13 12:23 PM (EST)
Posted by: cockneykayaker on Nov-20-13 4:02 AM (EST)
Very amusing !
the dictionary annoys g2d|
Posted by: slushpaddler on Nov-20-13 8:55 AM (EST)