Reed vs. Kokatat GMER drysuit...
Posted by: jmden on Nov-02-13 10:39 AM (EST) Category: unassigned
Have a new Kokatat GMER sitting in the box from Kokatat, but have been through one already and wasn't particularly pleased with a drysuit from another well known manufacturer. None of these breathe worth a darn, or I sweat too much or something. After a number of years of breathable drysuits, I might as well have a non-breathable suit, it would seem. I know they are breathing some,but with truly only exposed arms, really, how well can a suit breathe?
I'm curious how many here may have used the Reed 'paddlesuits'. They are supposed to be a bit breathable, but that's not really a main concern of mine because 'breathable' suits don't breathe for me. I have a friend of mine who is about as advanced as an ocean paddler as you can get and he loves his Reed suit:
I like how each one is custom sized, made from stretchy material and incorporates it's own insulation layer that should dry very quickly when turned inside out.
Anybody really used both kinds of suits that can provide some good advice on this choice?
If I go with the Reed suit, I'll be selling a NIB mango/black GMER in size L.
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Posted by: vk1nf on Nov-02-13 3:23 PM (EST)
I have two Reed CC suits, and really like them, despite some problems. Both were purchased used, and needed leak repairs - sent 'em off to England, had the chest seams (where the overskirt joins the main suit) retaped on one, and the overskirt removed and the booties replaced with larger ones on the other. Cost was most reasonable, and the service excellent. The fabric itself is great - very soft and flexible, with a sort of fuzzy inner surface that's really comfortable.
Posted by: jmden on Nov-02-13 5:01 PM (EST)
Thanks, vk1nf. Do I end up wearing any additional insulation layers in the cold NF waters? How watertight do you find he neck and wrist seals to be?
Underlayers - You Betcha!|
Posted by: vk1nf on Nov-03-13 9:43 PM (EST)
keep in mind|
Posted by: Peter-CA on Nov-02-13 11:18 PM (EST)
Keep in mind, the Reed is a "paddling suit", where the Kokatat is a "dry suit". Paddling suits don;t use latex for all the gaskets (Kokatat switches to Neoprene for the neck, but leaves the wrists as latex - Reed says all 3 are not latex). The non-latex have a tendency to leak a little water in past the gaskets. So this isn't an apple to apple comparison.
I would ask here|
Posted by: dc9mm on Nov-02-13 11:41 PM (EST)
Since its a UK product I would ask on this UK forum.
It breathes more than you realize|
Posted by: BNystrom on Nov-03-13 8:34 AM (EST)
"Breathability" not important to me . . |
Posted by: Glenn_MacGrady on Nov-03-13 1:57 PM (EST)
... for paddling gear.
Reed's Aquatherm Fabric...|
Posted by: vk1nf on Nov-03-13 10:02 PM (EST)
...is described as 'breathable' on their website - I've found it to be less 'sweaty' than that used in the Kokatat SuperNova. The fuzzy inner surface probably accounts for much of that.
By "non-breathable", I really meant ...|
Posted by: Glenn_MacGrady on Nov-03-13 11:55 PM (EST)
... the newer polyurethane (PU) film or microporous coated fabrics, as opposed to the PTFE laminated fabrics such as Goretex. These PU film fabrics, and even some PU coated fabrics, have a measure of breathability that may not be as good as PTFE laminates, but that are better than the old fashioned completely non-breathable coatings.
So it's not NON-breathable, is it?|
Posted by: BNystrom on Nov-04-13 6:37 AM (EST)
How about being honest here?
Right, there are more options today|
Posted by: Glenn_MacGrady on Nov-04-13 4:56 PM (EST)
I have in the past used truly NON-breathable drysuits and rain gear. I was an early adopter of the first drysuits. And, putting cost in the balance, I would still choose a NON-breathable drysuit in cold water/cold air conditions today over a $1000+ Goretex drysuit. Poor cost/benefit ratio for me. YMMV.
They DO breathe when wet|
Posted by: BNystrom on Nov-05-13 7:18 AM (EST)
How else would you explain that when sweaty, you will dry off when you stop sweating? Your body isn't going to reabsorb your perspiration. Breatheability is reduced when the outside is wet, but it's not eliminated.
Perhaps now that batteries bail our |
Posted by: g2d on Nov-03-13 10:40 PM (EST)
boats, we will soon see tiny pumps that force air through our drysuits. Maybe with dehumidification.
Kokatat GMER Drysuit vs. Reed Aquatherm |
Posted by: jmden on Nov-03-13 11:12 PM (EST)
Posted by: RubricOfRuin on Nov-04-13 5:09 AM (EST)
... I repeat, NOTHING, will make me let go of my Kokatat Expedition. Yes, I get a bit moist whrn sprinting, but as soon as I stop I dry quickly, if I feel too hot I can always roll and evaporative cooling works really well on Gore-Tex. I wore a PVC suit once for 4.5 hours on open water paddle when the air temp got too high to be comfotable... never again. Espensive? Definitely. Worth the money? Absolutely.
So you already know you still sweat|
Posted by: pikabike on Nov-04-13 1:41 PM (EST)
selling NIB GMER|
Posted by: jmden on Nov-16-13 11:48 AM (EST)
Have decided to sell the NIB Kokatat GMER and get the Reed suit after much research.
Posted by: jkirbyd on Nov-20-13 10:18 PM (EST)
I have been looking as well for something that works. I am new to kayaking (2 years) and I wish I could get a suit made from my fly fishing waders. I realize that to be waterproof there has to be an impervious property, and that means a restriction of air. My Simms waders are great at breathing. Maybe the fishing wader guys need to make dry suits?
Posted by: RubricOfRuin on Nov-21-13 7:06 AM (EST)
you do know that your Simms waders are made of GoreTex? the same material as best breathable drysuits?
Posted by: deuce on Nov-21-13 10:35 AM (EST)
Not really a fair comparison since waders are open at the top. I do love my Simmsies too though.
Never breathable enough|
Posted by: Jaybabina on Nov-21-13 8:40 AM (EST)
"None of these breathe worth a darn, or I sweat too much or something."
My latest experience|
Posted by: Kocho on Nov-21-13 9:50 AM (EST)
It's all that other "stuff" in the way|
Posted by: pikabike on Nov-21-13 3:27 PM (EST)
The Gore-Tex suit fabric is breathable, until something nonbreathable sits over it, such as a PFD or neoprene or coated nylon sprayskirt tunnel. If you don't wear the PFD and roll down the skirt tunnel, that area will let sweat vapor pass right out. The neck of the shirt directly below the latex neck gasket also gets wet, for the same reason: the latex stops all moisture from going either in OR out.
Try this some time|
Posted by: Andy_Szymczak on Nov-21-13 4:29 PM (EST)
You are kayaking and getting wet?|
Posted by: jbernard on Nov-21-13 10:37 PM (EST)
Not for nothing but it's KAYAKING.
Posted by: RubricOfRuin on Nov-22-13 7:32 AM (EST)
... I perfer water to be on the outside of my drysuit, not inside! If I wanted it to be inside I would just wee in it :D