Old Town Discovery Sport 15 vs. Grumman Aluminum Square Stern 16'
Since I am asking about two square stern canoes, you might rightly suspect that my inquiry is not entirely about paddling. Since paddling is part of the equation, I hope it is okay to ask about the relative merits of these two canoes in this forum.
The intended use is in the tidal creeks and saltwater estuaries around my home. As I expect to use whichever I settle on year round and also to regularly carry binoculars and cameras, stability is high on the list of priorities. On the other hand, ease of paddling, when I want to sneak around silently to observe birds and other wildlife, or when my kicker quits, is not unimportant. In the area I will be canoeing, occasional encounters with oyster beds is part of the deal.
I have considerable experience kayaking in this area using poly kayaks. They seem to me to be a good compromise of "paddle-ability," weight and durability. For that reason, I think the Old Town would do fine on surviving the environment. Of course, the Grumman aluminum canoes are legendary for their ruggedness. I am not really wild about the idea of aluminum but the Grumman is 40 pounds lighter than the Old Town. Since I usually go alone, the lighter canoe would be much easier to handle out of the water.
Any thoughts or input you have on the relative merits of the two canoes or the two very different construction materials would be appreciated.
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I'd pick the Grumman|
Posted by: Guideboatguy on Oct-27-13 9:52 AM (EST)
Posted by: gray_dabbler on Oct-27-13 10:19 AM (EST)
Thank you, Guideboatguy! You gave me a lot of good info there.
Kayaks versus canoes|
Posted by: Guideboatguy on Oct-27-13 10:38 AM (EST)
Kayak vs canoe|
Posted by: pirateoverforty on Oct-27-13 11:49 AM (EST)
I have several poly kayaks and one old town canoe. Of similar ages and stored together on the same racks, kayaks on their side, canoe upside down. the kayaks all still have their shape, the canoe is seriously hogged. Sway backed like an old horse. Handles like a pig, but she is the queen of river clean up day. All the kayakers bring me things to carry. But yes the hull will deform. Without the full circle of deck and hull the canoe is under different stresses.
Posted by: kayamedic on Oct-27-13 10:17 AM (EST)
Posted by: gray_dabbler on Oct-27-13 10:30 AM (EST)
Noise and the saute-pan effect|
Posted by: Guideboatguy on Oct-27-13 10:32 AM (EST)
Aluminum can be noisy, but having spent so much of my life in aluminum fishing boats, it just comes naturally for me to avoid making the usual clunks and bangs. You can tell the difference between a seasoned aluminum boater and the average boater within the first five minutes on the water. Anyway, if you are within sight of wildlife, the critter already knows you are there, so unless you do something catastrophic like drop an oar, noises usually seem to be less important than your own movement. Little patches of carpet where you put your tackle box or Pelican case pretty-much eliminate incidental noise from handling things in the boat.
Saute Pan Effect|
Posted by: gray_dabbler on Oct-27-13 10:46 AM (EST)
kayamedic may have coined a new term for suffering heat in an aluminum boat.
Sauté pane effect|
Posted by: pirateoverforty on Oct-27-13 11:56 AM (EST)
You can't get much further south than me and I have yet to feel this mythical effect. Aluminum is used for heat sinks because of their excellent transfer ability. My aluminum canoe has a light green primer on the floor and I paddle barefoot in the July and August with no problems. A canoe on land in the sun might be a different issue.
Posted by: gray_dabbler on Oct-27-13 12:10 PM (EST)
Discovery 15 all the way|
Posted by: goobs on Oct-27-13 4:59 PM (EST)
Dear gray dabbler,
I was part of the cooking team|
Posted by: kayamedic on Oct-27-13 6:45 PM (EST)
for forty lanlubbers mostly from NYC. We were doing a lobster bake..
Improvise, adapt, overcome|
Posted by: goobs on Oct-27-13 7:45 PM (EST)
I had the Disco 160K rowing canoe|
Posted by: FrankNC on Oct-27-13 8:41 PM (EST)
It was a lot like the square stern ones old town made. It was a great rowing and sailing boat and lasted more than 12 years stored in the North Carolina sun before it was given away.