Hello all, been using this site for years as a great resource!
I'm having trouble finding a touring kayak that fits me. Was in love with the Jackson Journey 14, and checked one out today to find I don't fit in it. Everything is fine except for the deck height (which is listed with the same 16" deck height as my Wilderness Systems Tsunami 145). I can't get my thighs to fit under the thigh braces... I'm 6'2' and 290 pounds.
I'm turning away from the Tsunami because I really want something with a rounded chine so I can lean into turns more and begin to paddle with better technique (and even with a rudder the Tsunami is sluggish to turn).
Any suggestions for a touring kayak? I'm really trying to stay around 14-15 feet as I do paddle in smaller rivers with lots of turns. Tried the entire Wilderness Systems line-up. Tried a number of Necky, Jackson, Perception, Liquid Logic, Current Designs, Prijon, Native, etc. kayaks and they couldn't find anything I fit in (and to be honest I didn't write down the exact models to tell you what they were).
Any suggestions? ...not looking for a canoe or a sit-on-top. Very set on a sit-inside; and a touring style, not recreation boat (already have an Old Town Dirigo 140, Loon 138, and owned a Pungo 140 before). Thanks.
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Have you tried a Perception Carolina ?|
Posted by: JackL on Sep-21-13 3:52 PM (EST)
have used Carolina before...|
Posted by: Dochartaigh on Sep-21-13 8:32 PM (EST)
Perception Eclipse 17 Airalite?|
Posted by: Kocho on Sep-21-13 8:45 PM (EST)
Posted by: Dochartaigh on Sep-21-13 9:06 PM (EST)
I think the Eclipse model is discontinued, but from their 2008 PDF catalog it has the deck height as 13.5" (versus the 16" for my Tsunami).
Deck Height and other measurements|
Posted by: Kocho on Sep-22-13 10:34 AM (EST)
Manufacturers often measure heights and widths differently. Some measure between the bottom and the top of the cockpit rim, some measure up to the underside of the deck.
I was thinkiing of the older 14 foot|
Posted by: JackL on Sep-22-13 6:34 AM (EST)
Deck height as listed...|
Posted by: holmes375 on Sep-21-13 9:02 PM (EST)
in the specs doesn't tell anything about the overall contour of the deck - as you've discovered.
Posted by: Dochartaigh on Sep-21-13 9:13 PM (EST)
I actually did sit in a Zephyr today. I want to say it was the 16' model. Didn't fit in that either (and I swear, I'm really not a huge-huge guy!).
Posted by: holmes375 on Sep-21-13 9:36 PM (EST)
consider removing the thigh braces altogether and simply adding minicell padding to the thigh brace surface in a thickness appropriate for fit.
it's not the foam|
Posted by: Dochartaigh on Sep-21-13 10:23 PM (EST)
It's not the foam; most of these boats don't have adjustable thickness foam or anything like that, it's maybe a quarter inch of foam below the plastic of the boat – even if it was removed altogether we're still talking about inches (2-3") of clearance that these kayaks don't give me.
Chesapeake Light Craft Chesapeake 18|
Posted by: Yakfisher on Sep-21-13 11:04 PM (EST)
It is cavernous|
Posted by: LeeG on Oct-11-13 11:17 PM (EST)
But not a good boat for high wind without a rudder.
Look for a used|
Posted by: tsunamichuck1 on Sep-21-13 11:27 PM (EST)
Posted by: emanoh on Sep-21-13 11:42 PM (EST)
A little longer than your request, but your dimensions probably require a bigger boat. Lots of front deck volume, 16.5 ft long, great for touring and hauling.
Posted by: WaterBird on Sep-22-13 7:35 PM (EST)
Totally wrong kayak for the OPs size. He would never fit in the Fathom and the Journey's thigh braces are probably too low for him. Maybe the Denali, though---cockpit 14.5"
that doesnt make a lot of sense.|
Posted by: radiomix on Sep-22-13 7:40 AM (EST)
The tsunamis and zephyrs are about as cavernous as they come. You must just have incredibly thick thighs or something. There are a few boats that have taller decks for knees up paddling, but not really what you are looking for. Ever think canoe?
That's what I thought regarding Prijons|
Posted by: pikabike on Oct-10-13 1:58 PM (EST)
Their touring kayaks have really tall foredecks.
May not be the decks|
Posted by: LeeG on Oct-11-13 11:27 PM (EST)
But the thigh brace height
Posted by: Kocho on Sep-22-13 10:39 AM (EST)
Did we mention that? Some of their models have rather spacious cockpits and come in shorter lengths too. Never paddled one and only sat in one a long time ago so I don't remember much. They seem to have plenty of volume too, so suitable for a heavier paddler. REI used to carry them, not sure if they still do...
Posted by: WaterBird on Sep-22-13 7:59 PM (EST)
The Delta 15.5 Expedition would be perfect for the OP (it can carry a whopping 375 lbs) except for one thing: the standard Delta cockpit is 18" x 32.5", which is sort of a mismatch with the kayak's carrying capacity. The 18" width might fit him, but 32.5" is short for a guy his size.
bought a new beast...|
Posted by: Dochartaigh on Sep-22-13 8:28 PM (EST)
Posted by: magooch on Sep-22-13 9:30 PM (EST)
If you haven't already learned to bow rudder your boat in one fashion, or another, you might find that any boat can be turned more efficiently with that technique and even more so if you edge it properly.
Posted by: Dochartaigh on Sep-22-13 9:49 PM (EST)
Doesn't sound familiar; don't think I tried that one.
Posted by: Dochartaigh on Sep-27-13 11:16 AM (EST)
So I've paddled the Current Designs Storm GT twice now, and the seat isn't as comfortable as my Tsunami. What is involved with putting in a new seat (or do people use new pads on top of the old seat?)?
Posted by: magooch on Sep-27-13 11:53 AM (EST)
I would suggest that you put a lot more time in the seat before you start hacking away at it. You might find that you become accustomed to it and it just might save you a lot of trouble. I could be wrong, but isn't the storm's seat attached to the deck (coaming)? This attachment-if that is the case-might be part of the kayak's overall design and could effect rigidity.
Posted by: Dochartaigh on Sep-27-13 1:11 PM (EST)
I always figure if it isn't comfortable after an hour of paddling, how is it going to be comfortable after 8+ hours, and multiple days of that?
The Tsunami 145 was uncomfortable|
Posted by: Kocho on Sep-27-13 1:23 PM (EST)
The 145 was uncomfortable for me initially, after about an hour on the water. It went away soon, after several outings. My body needed time to adjust. I have had the same with other kayaks - takes a few days in the seat (as log as it is not killing you, take the time to see how things go).
agree with giving more time|
Posted by: capefear on Sep-27-13 1:25 PM (EST)
As a personal example, I've heard over the years a lot of complaints about NDK seats, just a simple small glass seat. My first time out in my Greenlander, and I thought I would need to think about something different. But I loosened up the back band a couple times, paid attention to my posture, and after just a few times out with it I was out all day with no problem, without even giving a thought to seat comfort. So I agree that a person should give what they have a few outings, think about their posture, give the muscles supporting a solid posture a little time to shape back up, and give strong consideration to the backband and how it's adjusted. Sometimes changing just the back support and how you use it can go a long way.
Posted by: magooch on Sep-28-13 9:37 AM (EST)
On one of my boats, over a period of time (several years), I would adjust the back band and each time I thought I finally had it right. But after a few times in the boat it was obvious that it still wasn't right. I changed the bungee cords that are part of the support system and then I thought for sure I had it. Just recently I think I finally did get it right when I made one more little tweak to the bungees.
tsunami 145 turns fine|
Posted by: franknc on Sep-28-13 8:02 PM (EST)
Keep the rudder up. Take a few classes. Your boat will turn well, but you need to edge it so that big built in skeg spreads the after like a knife icing a cake.
seat still stinks|
Posted by: Dochartaigh on Oct-08-13 8:49 PM (EST)
So I went on a full day paddle on Saturday, and the seat still stinks! Removing the thigh braces helped a ton, but the seat still doesn't hold a candle to my Wilderness Systems Phase 3 seating (or whatever they call it).
How is it uncomfortable?|
Posted by: rival51 on Oct-08-13 10:50 PM (EST)
Legs going numb? Back pain? Butt sore? Different people are built differently so what works for one may not work for another. Posture might be an issue - if your hips are rolled back you might be loading an area that isn't used to the weight. Pay attention to your posture when paddling and maybe have someone take pictures or video.
Yakpadz sell gell pads|
Posted by: Kocho on Oct-09-13 6:54 PM (EST)
I find them comfy but usually paddle with no pad at all. Have you removed the factory pad if there was one? On most kayaks I prefer bare seat with the factory pads removed - more room this way, usually.
Posted by: davejjj on Oct-13-13 10:52 PM (EST)
I googled "kayak seat pad" and then selected the "Shop on Google" link and 18 choices popped up.
Posted by: davejjj on Oct-11-13 11:08 AM (EST)
Posted by: Cyberiankhatru on Oct-09-13 7:36 PM (EST)
Posted by: TomM on Oct-09-13 9:44 PM (EST)
The Temptest 170 has plenty of room.
Posted by: Canuka on Oct-10-13 9:22 AM (EST)
A 6'2", 290 lb. man must be wider in the hips than me and he could not get in the cockpit of a Tempest 170. I know, I tried and I am "only" 6'4" 235 lb.
Posted by: ppine on Oct-10-13 11:23 AM (EST)
Pygmy sells wood kits for Greenland style boats that come in XL. Some are up to 18 feet or more and will accomodate people with large feet also.
Posted by: Canuka on Oct-11-13 9:01 AM (EST)
I am anxious to try the "high" versions of the Coho and the Arctic Tern, as well as the Borealis XL. I have a regular Coho and I love it, but I would appreciate more foot room for my size 13s. Also, I believe the Tern is easier to turn.
Easy to edge|
Posted by: rival51 on Oct-11-13 10:43 PM (EST)
My Tern 17' Standard doesn't need much of an edge to carve a turn. Even in the standard deck height it has plenty of room.
Posted by: LeeG on Oct-11-13 11:26 PM (EST)
Is part way to a Necky Pinta.