Twice around 2002 and 2003, I did the 90 in a west side thunderbolt in about 14.3 hours. Blackburn challenge for me was about 3 hours and 20 minutes. The 70 miler was a little over 9 hours in the t-bolt. Having to hitch back to the start the first 2 days of the 90 was tough. In a kayak you are really with the water and waves and wind. In the canoe you are SWITCHING EVERY 8 SECONDS. About 8 strokes on the left and HUT. You do 8 strokes on the right.
This year in a Kerry Newell's war canoe I was close enough to the racer in front to almost scrape their back, especially when sprinting. Both years in the canoe we were a few hours slower than solo kayak. It is called terminal hull velocity. IN our 160 pound 32 ft cedar canoe, we had 4 racers who had medaled in the world championships for TEAM USA. Our pace in the 32 in wide canoe was about 62 strokes per minute. It was strange to see a K1 paddle away from us at about 6.5 or 7mph mph while we worked hard to go 5.5 mph.
I could run the 26 pound west side thunderbolt on carries. My theory is why have that weight on your back for an hour at 3 mph when you can run at 6 mph for half an hour! The newells were very good about making sure we had a fine place to shower, eat and sleep. I will probably help kerry finish his 25th 90 miler next year. Hopefully we will have big wheels and duffle bag type straps to drop down the side of the shoulder to hook unto a crossbar to carry up over Racquette falls mountain. Seems like a mountain, to carry 160 pounds like pails of cement up and over big rocks. It would be nice to carry the boat up on the shoulder, but not if you drop it.
About 4 years ago a buddy and I tried the 90 in our kayaks. I threw out my back soon after the start and went slow but did not finish. It was foogy and the start on day one was delayed. Lots of time to stand around and get cold. Should have worn an old hoodie and thrown it out before the start to stay warm.
The big deals before the start. Have someone to drive. Have a place to stay. How competitively fast do you want to be? It is more fun for me when I saw hello to old friends along the way. Some are very competitive and go all out to save a few seconds. I would love to do the 90 in a k2 with thigh braces. My van dusen mohican ski was fast but 220 is 35 pounds too heavy for it to plane up out of the water. My fault for not obeying the web site weight limit of 185 pounds. I think I was faster in the t-bolt because the bigger flat spot under the seat helps it plane easier.
Canoe is more aerobic. You got time to talk and do not need to drink as much. And you can move your legs around. You must pay attention to the huts and stay focused on staying together. In the kayak you are alert to the wind and waves and can get into this zone where you paddle and pay no attention to another person. Kayak is anerobic9(barlely enough oxygen), where it is tough to talk. You are working too hard moving the big turbo wing. My favorite boat will always be the west side t-bolt with small out of way thigh braces and rear bulkhead, with small turbo wing.
Touring Kayak Paddles
Free Standing Boat Racks
Cartop Kayak Carriers
Reflective Hull Decals
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Posted by: slushpaddler on Sep-16-13 6:28 PM (EST)
Believe it or not, there were|
Posted by: JackL on Sep-17-13 8:17 AM (EST)
two that started, and I know that at least one finished.
Both SUPs finished in 2013|
Posted by: yknpdlr on Sep-17-13 9:12 AM (EST)
Both of them stayed together until day 3 when they finished separately. A SUP first entered the 90-miler 3 years ago, and the same guy paddled and finished the next year as well, though he was dead last by a long way. No one can figure out how he handled the extremely rough conditions on 2011 day 3, in which several open touring tandems were seen to turn around and pull out on Upper Saranac Lake. He quickly picked up the nickname "stand up guy". Last year there were no SUPs in the 90.
Posted by: davemcadoo on Sep-18-13 10:13 AM (EST)
In a kayak it was 14 hours to do 90 miles. IN a canoe maybe 3 hours slower. On a sup you do not need a stopwatch. You use a calendar.
Posted by: yknpdlr on Sep-17-13 9:53 AM (EST)
Kerry is super|
Posted by: davemcadoo on Sep-17-13 1:37 PM (EST)
It must ne nice to have about a 10 mph yukon river downstream curent. The kayaks that passed us were too tippy for must. next year, hopefully we will have bigg wheels and practice. It is sad how people limit themselves to one type of racing and adventure. It is also fun tod ww rafting. Sea kayak in whitecaps is a blast that most canoe people have never tried.