Advice re white water canoes, please
Posted by: ChrisR on Sep-10-13 3:42 PM (EST) Category: Canoes
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Somme friends and I have started to get into white water canoeing trips and I'm being tacked with research on best types to buy.
We mostly tandem canoe - and do some lake paddling as well. Our trips usually involve portaging (pack plus canoe).
I'm looking for advice re:
* Material of construction - weight vs Class rapids (durability) vs cost
* Hull shape - manoeuvrability vs tracking for River paddling
* Length & width - carrying capacity vs manoeuvrability
* Possible manufacturer/used canoes to consider
* Anything else I may be missing?
Also, on a recent trip, we rented some heavy ABS canoes and one one of them managed to get separation of the shell from the hull (noticed a bubbling inside the canoe) - does this spell the end of the canoe or are there repairs/refurbishments that can be done?
(We noticed significant drag from that canoe's performance)
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why manoeuvrability instead of ....|
Posted by: pilotwingz on Sep-10-13 6:35 PM (EST)
I will keep it a little simpler|
Posted by: kayamedic on Sep-10-13 6:52 PM (EST)
river tripping on whitewater|
Posted by: pblanc on Sep-10-13 7:05 PM (EST)
Posted by: PJC on Sep-10-13 7:50 PM (EST)
work your way up|
Posted by: Mattt on Sep-11-13 9:29 AM (EST)
most people did that, starting out on easy stuff with the boats they had- we ran lots of Class I and II rivers in our Grummans, with the standard keel and I still would.
Posted by: ppine on Sep-11-13 11:24 AM (EST)
Thanks to everyone so far...|
Posted by: ChrisR on Sep-11-13 11:29 AM (EST)
I'm located in Toronto, Ontario - I'm used to spelling using English-based spelling (colour, neighbour, manoeuvrability, etc...).
Posted by: pblanc on Sep-11-13 12:18 PM (EST)
Trying to choose a boat that is to be used on both flat water and whitewater is always a trade off. You might need to choose lighter weight over durability if longer portages are anticipated. As mentioned before, a deeper canoe with rocker and a blunt water entry (which rides over standing waves rather than slicing into them) is going to perform much better in whitewater but it will be slower, track less well, and catch more wind on flat water. A boat with a lot of flare throughout the length of the hull will shed water better but it will be harder to get your paddle into the water vertically than one that has straight sides or tumblehome.
Posted by: old_user on Sep-12-13 1:04 PM (EST)
Airbags are great for keeping water out of the canoe. They take up a lot of space that would otherwise be filled with water and help the canoe ride higher in the water so you can get safely to shore when in rough water. They do take up room in the canoe, so most people doing your type of trips go with bow and stern airbags but leave the centre of the canoe free for gear.
re: Anything else I may be missing?|
Posted by: old_user on Sep-13-13 11:35 AM (EST)
I would like to add the importance of correctly packing a canoe and stowing gear. When traveling in the back country on multi day trips ones progress can be slowed considerably by an incorrectly packed canoe. Insuring that gear (and more importantly weight) is evenly distributed can help to stabilize the boat in both windy conditions on flat water and while running technical rapids, especially ones with large waves. In addition, a well packed canoe is much easier to load and unload while portaging.
Multi-Purpose Canoe |
Posted by: SimeonGarda on Sep-16-13 5:08 PM (EST)
Re: Multipurpose canoe|
Posted by: old_user on Sep-17-13 11:26 AM (EST)
I have to agree with the comments above. With the discontinuation of Royalex in the very near future most manufactures have started to release models composed of new material. It might be a good idea to look for an expedition grade boat that would serve as both a lake tripping workhorse and a technical river runner. Following that I would also suggest that you take heed of Simeon’s advice, you must never leave a barrel unattended!
What manufacturers? What models?|
Posted by: pblanc on Sep-17-13 12:27 PM (EST)
I am not aware of any manufacturers bringing out any non-Royalex canoes made of any new materials since Poly One announced the pending discontinuation of Royalex manufacture.
New Materials |
Posted by: SimeonGarda on Sep-17-13 3:24 PM (EST)