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I'm trying to decide between these two brands for a low angle touring paddle. I'm interested in the AT Quest carbon OR glass paddle, or else the Werner Camano(again, either glass or carbon).
I paddle mainly on lakes and slow, wide rivers. My paddle probably won't be getting banged much. I mainly paddle with no feather, and I'm planning on getting a straight shaft.
How much of a difference will it make for me to buy carbon? I'm not too worried about the weight, because I don't usually paddle for longer than a few hours(no big trips).
Do either of these glass paddles flutter? How fragile are they?
What about the AT Pursuit carbon? This paddle has a carbon reinforced nylon blade and a carbon shaft. It is 35 oz. The Werner Skagit CF is 32 oz. Obviously the nylon adds to the weight and lowers the price. Would it make the paddle more durable, though? I would appreciate a durable paddle, that won't make me cringe if it ever gets dropped, etc.
I won't be able to paddle either of them before I buy, unfortunately. I also don't have access to many other high end brands, so try to keep suggestions contained to these 2. Any opinions on differences between quality and durability, or are the evenly matched?
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werner fiberglass line|
Posted by: NateHanson on Aug-19-13 4:33 PM (EST)
The Camano and Shuna type of construction is very durable. I'd say they are the strongest touring blades in the Werner line (stronger than the top-end foam core).
Just by coincidence|
Posted by: magooch on Aug-19-13 4:44 PM (EST)
Posted by: carldelo on Aug-19-13 11:03 PM (EST)
Well, you mean the paddle ventilates, i.e. pulls air down with the blade, not cavitates, but we know what you mean.
Save Yourself Some Money|
Posted by: Kudzu on Aug-19-13 5:23 PM (EST)
Skip the Euro thing and get yourself a good Greenland paddle.
Posted by: radskierman on Aug-20-13 1:24 PM (EST)
Might also look at Beale paddles for WRC construction or Northern Lights Paddles for 3 piece Carbon fiber GP's. Or buy my never used any more Onno euro style carbon fiber!
Posted by: Kocho on Aug-20-13 2:02 AM (EST)
I have not addled the recent AT touring paddles, only the old version of the Xeption (sp?). The thing to understand with these is that they are not meant to be used with brute force or for max power applications. They are meant for touring. Steve S. (designer/involved with AT) has mentions here that these are he closest to a Greenland paddle you can get in a Euro style paddle.
AT vs Werner|
Posted by: gjf12 on Aug-20-13 2:08 AM (EST)
My bent shaft 220 cm AT Xception tour weighs 28.4 oz. My bent shaft 220 cm Werner Kalliste weighs 28.4 oz. Both are carbon. Both are excellent. A matter of personal preference. If you can afford it, get the lightest possible paddle.
Posted by: jimx200 on Aug-20-13 2:47 AM (EST)
using a Cannon Nokomis at 240 and it's made of aluminum and plastic composite, weighs 37oz and strong as heck. Not for small people.
Posted by: gjf12 on Aug-20-13 12:46 PM (EST)
The Kalliste is 24.9 oz, not 28.4 as written. The AT is 28.4.
Why don't you have access?|
Posted by: tsunamichuck1 on Aug-20-13 3:36 AM (EST)
internet is wonderful thing. Werner's are good paddles, made in The USA. I thing Confluence (AT parent company) is shifting production to China and QC is still hit or miss. The Camano is an excellent starting paddle. I would not limit yourself to just Werner or AT in the future
I'm not looking at|
Posted by: KatieD on Aug-20-13 8:47 AM (EST)
Kalliste because it is even more expensive than Camano. I want to get a good paddle, but cost DOES matter for me.
eddyline/swift make great paddles|
Posted by: slushpaddler on Aug-20-13 8:57 AM (EST)
I'd put them up against Werner.
I've use them|
Posted by: Kocho on Aug-20-13 9:41 AM (EST)
I've used Werner's Desperado (white water paddle, carbon reinforced plastic blades on a carbon-fiberglass shaft). Also had Lendal's plastic Kinetic Touring blades. Both are good, just heavy as you said. You get tired faster, but otherwise good blades. Very durable too. I have not paddled the blades you list in any construction, so can't compare. To me there is a significant difference due to the weigh compared to a foam-core full carbon paddle that, if you are buying for the long term, is worth it.
I own a couple Skagits|
Posted by: holmes375 on Aug-20-13 1:28 PM (EST)
in long lengths for use with canoes. I have both the carbon/nylon and fiberglass/nylon versions.
As with everything else...|
Posted by: wavespinner on Aug-20-13 12:49 PM (EST)
...matter of personal preference. I started with Werners for ww and touring and have migrated to AT over the years. For me, they have proven more durable and paddle better. Not a fan of foam core blades because the buoyancy (try a depth check to feel the resistance) requires more effort over long hauls.
Posted by: bignate on Aug-20-13 1:18 PM (EST)
The Camano is a fine paddle, particularly for someone relatively new to kayaking. It's the paddle I used for my first couple years of paddling. During that time, I realized I preferred a higher-angle stroke, so I ended up getting an Ikelos, which is still my favorite all-around sea kayak paddle.
Posted by: KatieD on Aug-20-13 3:39 PM (EST)
What do people like about using a greenland paddle? How do they feel different? Where do they excel?
I'm a Total Convert|
Posted by: Kudzu on Aug-20-13 5:03 PM (EST)
Posted by: Fadedred on Aug-20-13 5:16 PM (EST)
Posted by: jsmarch on Aug-22-13 4:24 PM (EST)
I have two bent shaft 220 cm AT Xceptions sitting in my garage. Haven't used either one since converting to the skinny stick almost over a dozen years ago. But, if I were to use a Euro blade it would be an unfeathered AT Xception or current version...
Have I Thanked You Lately|
Posted by: Kudzu on Aug-23-13 4:58 AM (EST)
for introducing me to the GP?
Posted by: jsmarch on Aug-23-13 11:22 AM (EST)
Thank you and Bill Bremer and Dawn Stewart and the Inuits...!
GP pros and cons|
Posted by: radskierman on Aug-20-13 6:14 PM (EST)
Cons... no good in bony streams and most whitewater situations.
One more vote for greenland paddles|
Posted by: rpg51 on Aug-23-13 7:49 AM (EST)
I made the switch to greenland paddles almost immediately after I started paddling kayaks a few years ago. I do have a beater euro for those times when I find myself in a boney stream. Other than that it is 100% greenland for me. For all the reasons listed. I have a Lumpy and I love it. I don't see myself ever going back to a euro blade.