I rented a WS Tempest 165 pro(2012 model) to use this weekend. I kind of wanted something of similar size to compare to the Suka when I try it in a week, because I won't have much time to demo it. And I've never been in a 21 inch beam kayak, nor have I been in a kayak over 16 ft. Obviously the cockpit sizes are different, and the hull shape is somewhat different, but it was as close as I could get in my area.
I really liked the Tempest, btw. I still feel that it is a little large for me, even with all the adjustments you can make. I found it to be more stable than I was expecting..I did get dumped once, but I was prepared for that as I was edging a little beyond my abilities to see what I - and it - could do. I was back in the cockpit and all pumped out within a minute or so, easy water for a cowboy self-rescue.
ANYWAY. Getting to the point of my post..I was doing a lot of edging today. I haven't been in a kayak capable of doing much edging before, so I had a lot of fun in the tempest. BUT. I did find that before long I was getting burst blood vessels under my skin from pressing into the thigh braces so much. The bottom of the WS thigh brace doesn't seem to be very smooth or cushy. It has some sort of flat, round plastic piece right in the middle of it that was making circles on my skin. Next time I wouldn't wear shorts, that is for sure. But I'm not sure that even pants would help.
Am I doing something wrong? Except hitting the tipping point once, I had 2 hours of fun, successful edging and play. The boat certainly responded. Has anyone else had this happen? This boat happens to be for sale, so if I don't like the Suka, I may decide to buy this one instead...I have so few second hand options in my neck of the woods, and I can't afford the new ones that I want. Is there some way that I can line the thigh braces so that they are more comfortable?
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Posted by: Peter-CA on Aug-17-13 9:14 PM (EST)
From your description, I don't see anything you were doing wrong. You were pushing the boat and doing stuff which you are not used to doing.
I'm not what you'd call an...|
Posted by: sohojacques on Aug-17-13 9:21 PM (EST)
experienced kayaker, but I found that once I started doing the bulk of my edging by weighting a butt cheek, instead primarily using my thighs, it got a lot easier.
Posted by: wetzool on Aug-17-13 10:35 PM (EST)
The thigh braces are there when you need them, but edging is better controlled by pressing down with a butt cheek, not lifting the opposite leg to engage the thigh brace. Try edging by shifting weight from one butt cheek to the other. I most comfortable paddling when my thigh is 1/2 to 1" below the brace.
A combination of butt cheeks and |
Posted by: ezwater on Aug-17-13 10:48 PM (EST)
thighs should work best.
Neoprene might help|
Posted by: WaterBird on Aug-17-13 9:32 PM (EST)
Glue it to the thigh braces. No reason not to wear shorts.
I usually wear shorts|
Posted by: Kocho on Aug-18-13 12:50 AM (EST)
Minicell and hip pads|
Posted by: LeeG on Aug-18-13 8:27 AM (EST)
Try various thicknesses and shapes of minicell for the underside of knee braces and see if there are hip braces installed
Posted by: KatieD on Aug-18-13 9:46 AM (EST)
for all the suggestions, you guys. Since it is a rental, I'll have to wait and see if I like it more than the Suka to buy it or not, and then I can outfit it to my hearts content and line that thigh brace. I sure wish I could try a composite Eliza before I have to decide so that I could know whether I like that one even more. Though from what I've read, I'd probably find the seat pan a little wide..
Posted by: LeeG on Aug-18-13 9:57 AM (EST)
If you are particularly light it will be dificult to lean some kayaks with control but one of the biggest differences for me came from outfitting the hip/thigh area so that when the kayak is leaning on edge my weight is well supported. A wide seat pan is easy to pad out and shape to fit, a tight one isn't.
Posted by: Fadedred on Aug-18-13 10:10 AM (EST)
area do you live and paddle, that there are no more classes offered until spring?
Too much effort|
Posted by: magooch on Aug-18-13 10:12 AM (EST)
It's possible that you are pressing way too hard on the thigh/knee braces and whatever the maneuvers are that you were doing are somewhat radical. Try to relax and make your turns more graceful. Edging for the most part should be a subtle thing that is done naturally without having to think about it.
I live |
Posted by: KatieD on Aug-18-13 10:21 AM (EST)
No, you're on the right track.|
Posted by: capefear on Aug-19-13 11:58 AM (EST)
I don't think you're edging the kayak too aggressively. Keep pushing the limits as you train yourself. Generally speaking, the further you lay your kayak over, the more quickly you can spin it around. It's fun on flatwater, and you'll be happy you've worked these things out if you ever get into situations where quick maneuvering is helpful. I think you're absolutely on the right track pushing technique to the point of capsize trying to get a better feel for the hulls you're trying to choose from. It's also the fast track to building skills and familiarizing yourself with your kayak once you do make a decision. I applaud your approach.
how to edge|
Posted by: celia on Aug-18-13 11:42 AM (EST)
Thanks for all the help|
Posted by: KatieD on Aug-19-13 2:57 PM (EST)
I had to take the rental back this morning, but yesterday afternoon I took it out again and practiced using my weight more than my knee..it definitely helped, my knees weren't sore at all. It did result in slower turns, though. Which was fine, and probably what I'll use most of the time, but I do like to be able to turn on a dime if I want to! No capsizes, which was good because I had to go to a family supper afterwards and didn't want to have to re-do my hair ha ha!
Maybe I missed it, but|
Posted by: magooch on Aug-19-13 5:21 PM (EST)
I'm wondering if you are using any kind of bow rudder with your paddle inverted. For a very effective tight turn without getting too far on edge, try flipping the blade over, start a rudder brace just a little ahead of amidship and then blend it to a bow draw and then a full sweep on the other side. This allows you to use your forward momentum to its best advantage as opposed to starting with a reverse sweep.
My "quick turn"|
Posted by: KatieD on Aug-19-13 6:33 PM (EST)
Wobble on edge|
Posted by: Celia on Aug-19-13 10:50 PM (EST)
Often means that you just haven't quite felt the edge on that particular boat - yet. Once you have your own and spend time in it, it'll have a firmer feel.
rounded foam = highpoint in the middle|
Posted by: bigspencer on Aug-20-13 6:58 AM (EST)