I am looking to buy a first canoe. It will likely be used in a couple of small lakes and perhaps small streams or rivers with no higher than a class 2. It will probably be used for fishing too. I know that no one boat can do everything. I have been considering either an old town discovery or saranac or a mad river explorer. Someone is selling a mad river explorer locally for around 300 and it is the 16' model.
Any thoughts as to whether I am on the right track for my intended use? I am hoping to find a good used deal so that if I upgrade I can get part of the money back out of it.
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Yeah used is best at first.|
Posted by: yatipope on Jul-22-13 1:57 AM (EST)
You are on the right track and those choices are pretty good. If you are physically fit to haul, lift, transport, portage and carry a 80lb canoe like I didn't mind in my younger days,..go for a Old Town discovery 158 or better 164. The MR Explorer is good also. Getting a royalex canoe instead of multi-layer poly will save you about 8-10lbs on a 16ft canoe which is huge when picking it up and moving it out of the water. Do a little searching here on the advice column because there are NUMEROUS posts exactly like your with a plethora of advice.
Solo or two man?|
Posted by: duckhunter on Jul-22-13 10:57 AM (EST)
If you don't have a regular paddling partner consider a solo. I go alone most of the time and a solo is much nicer than a two person canoe. I have 4 solos with my most recent being a Swift Osprey in the carbon fusion layup. It wasn't cheap but what a wonderful canoe to handle both in and out of the water.
If you can handle its size and weight|
Posted by: deuce on Jul-22-13 11:20 AM (EST)
off the water (loading, etc.) that Explorer would be a good choice for you. If it's Royalex with vinyl trim it should be around 65 pounds (think they make a TT that weighs a lot more), which while not light is certainly not too much for a guy with decent strength to manage. With a little bit of skill it can be paddled solo from the bow position including in class II, but it's big enough for a second paddler and/or lots of camping and/or fishing gear. It's a canoe that's not a superstar but does many things pretty well, which is what lots of people (including you it sounds like) need. Unless it's in really bad shape it would be hard to go wrong for $300.
an 80-84 lb. canoe , you'll need help |
Posted by: pilotwingz on Jul-22-13 9:23 PM (EST)
Boat purpose |
Posted by: Underseabumblebee on Jul-23-13 11:23 AM (EST)
I am not too worried about the weight even though I am a gal. The places I intend to go for now are small inland lakes which allow me to back my car or truck to the waters edge and launch. Lake Robinson is 800 acres and Lake Cunningham is 400 acres. If his comfort level and interest grow, then I would consider going out on Lake Jocassee which is 7500 acres and possibly going on the lower Green River which has a max of class 2 rapids.
Good for you! |
Posted by: deuce on Jul-23-13 11:48 AM (EST)
Thank you for taking such an interest in your nephew. Far too many times 21 year old man-boys in situations like that fall through the cracks. Have you checked with nearby canoe liveries? They often have rentals for sale. Some are toast, but some still have some life left in them. Also, check paddleswap.com, and if you have a paddling club message board in your area keep an eye on the gear swap section, not only for a boat, but for PFD and paddle needs too. You can get some great gear cheap, and sometimes free, that way. Boatertalk.com gear swap is a good place for that as well. Sorry I missed that you're a gal. Not sure how I flubbed that one. D'oh!
Posted by: Underseabumblebee on Jul-23-13 12:52 PM (EST)
The local rental place doesn't sell them until September. They have good deals. I just don't feel I can wait that long. I feel I need to regroup and try to engage him again sooner rather than later. It is a long complicated and sad story.
Posted by: deuce on Jul-23-13 2:39 PM (EST)
Paddle type: Mohawk paddles should serve you fine and can be had for a little over twenty bucks apiece. Carlisle Economy or Standard paddles should be fine too. I may be wrong, but I don't think Academy will have any of these. However, if you have a nearby independent shop they probably will. As for length, a good uncomplicated way to get "close enough" is to rest the grip on your foot, and if the blade is just below your chin that length will work. Most people can use a paddle in the 56 to 58 inch range.
Found Old Town on clearance. |
Posted by: Underseabumblebee on Jul-23-13 11:11 PM (EST)
I got the paddles your recommended. Tonight when I went to help tend the honeybees with a friend in another town I stopped by the Academy Sports out that way just to look again. They had an old Town Rouge River 14 with bench seats on clearance for $250. It seems to have gotten good reviews on this site so I decided to get it. Now to get on the water this week. I am hoping Friday if the weather forecast holds.
let us know how it goes OK ....|
Posted by: pilotwingz on Jul-24-13 7:39 AM (EST)
...... is your OT 14' Rogue River a flat back stern , and about 42" wide overall .
That is the one|
Posted by: Underseabumblebee on Jul-24-13 10:41 AM (EST)
The rouge river has a slight keel and it about 42 wide and just under 14' long. It has two molded bench seats and a wood support bar in the middle. There is a metal rod that runs down the center of the floor and is exposed. Each end has two molded handles to carry and two molded recepticles for fishing rod holders. I read several reviews from families, hunters and fishermen here and it seems to be a good leisure canoe. It won't win a race, but it will get you there and haul your stuff.
what it looks like|
Posted by: Underseabumblebee on Jul-24-13 10:54 AM (EST)
The inside looks like this pic
Glad you found something, but,|
Posted by: deuce on Jul-25-13 10:34 AM (EST)
one word of caution. Last June I literally watched one of those fall apart on a pretty easy class II rapid. The guys in it were BIG boys (probably too big for the boat) and the seats collapsed. Since they're bolted through the hull this was a big problem, and the boat suddenly turned into a floppy mess. It was not a good situation. I'm not trying to be a buzz kill, and I don't think in your case this is something to worry too much about; merely something to keep in mind as you consider possible trips. Have a great time on the water!
first trip out|
Posted by: Underseabumblebee on Jul-27-13 8:13 PM (EST)
I can see what you mean about it not being a canoe that should be taken on white water. The hull is a little more flexible than I would be comfortable with even in a class 2.
Posted by: Underseabumblebee on Jul-27-13 10:06 PM (EST)
Thanks for the book recommendations. I will check those out.
While you're waiting for the book...|
Posted by: steve_in_idaho on Jul-27-13 10:21 PM (EST)
How about a nice video?
Posted by: Guideboatguy on Jul-27-13 10:26 PM (EST)
Posted by: Underseabumblebee on Jul-27-13 10:56 PM (EST)
Guide, I think you did misread, but that misreading led you to recommend some books. My paddling skills could use some work so in the end your post is helpful. Thank you for takin time to share the things you know that will help me.
Enjoyed the video. |
Posted by: Underseabumblebee on Jul-27-13 11:58 PM (EST)
I really enjoyed the video link provided above. That was incredibly informative. He mentioned in the film that there were others that he produced. I will certainly make an effort to find them.
Path of the Paddle practice|
Posted by: Underseabumblebee on Jul-30-13 11:24 PM (EST)
Went out this evening and tried to use some of the strokes in the path of the paddle video. I think I need more practice, but I could feel the difference. I was not able to keep the canoe going straight with my J stoke. I will work on it again Friday when the rain clears out for a few hours.