Going on a trip this coming weekend at Georgian Bay.In sea Kayak. One of the guys thinks a ditch bag is something everyone should have. I don't agree UNLESS it small enough to attach to me.
If its not attached to me that means to get it I have to be able to reach my kayak. If I can get to my kayak iam getting back in re-enter and roll. I can think of ONLY one reason I would abandon my kayak. If it took on so much damage it was sinking. Now white water I could see a pinned kayak as a reason BUT iam talking about big open water kayaking. NO rock gardening involved. Not in my fiberglass kayak.
Any thoughts on another reason a ditch bag would be useful. Plus how big a ditch big could you really attach to one self? I will have a VHF radio and PLB attached to me. Plus emergency blanket and small amount of food and knife, whistle, flares.
On a side note just took a 2 day Greenland clinic with Cheri Perry & Turner Wilson. Now have super reliable roll and even re-enter and roll is a piece of cake now. Boy was I doing it wrong. Highly recommend there class.
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Posted by: PHILIPJEDLICKA on Jul-17-13 5:36 PM (EST)
Sailors out at sea need ditch bags to go onto the life raft when their boat sinks.
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Posted by: Seadddict on Jul-17-13 6:10 PM (EST)
for "ditch bag" or "bail out bag" for suggestions. I have carried one ocassionally when solo in certain areas, but not usually. Although I thought the possibility small, my "just in case" was in the event I was surprised by a boomer and my boat ripped away from me in difficult conditions.
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Posted by: Peter-CA on Jul-17-13 8:12 PM (EST)
I am with you that a ditch bag won't work for a sea kayaker. I am careful about what I keep on my body so that should I have to abandon ship, I have the basics to keep me alive.
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Posted by: Celia on Jul-17-13 9:24 PM (EST)
First, is this person also asking that you have a float bag in the fore and aft bulkheaded compartments? It would make a ditch bag in the boat seem more useful, guarantee that you could get to the stuff even if in the water. Or get a combo float bag/dry bag, use that as ditch bag.
Posted by: bowler1 on Jul-18-13 5:49 AM (EST)
As the poster above states, I have seen this topic before.
Posted by: dc9mm on Jul-18-13 7:00 AM (EST)
I carry one...|
Posted by: vk1nf on Jul-18-13 9:43 AM (EST)
...stuffed down in the toe of the cockpit - full change of clothes, 1st aid stuff, fire starter things, plastic sheet.tyvek/rope for wind shelter. Loads with the PFD and other safety gear.
Posted by: dc9mm on Jul-18-13 10:26 AM (EST)
"...stuffed down in the toe of the cockpit - full change of clothes, 1st aid stuff, fire starter things, plastic sheet.tyvek/rope for wind shelter. Loads with the PFD and other safety gear."
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Posted by: nickjc on Jul-18-13 4:47 PM (EST)
I would prepare for on-water "emergencies" that you would need to solve assuming you couldn't land right away.
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Posted by: chodups on Jul-18-13 11:57 PM (EST)
.....I have a ditch bag that I wear using a Kokatat Rear Pocket that snaps on the back of my PFD. It holds my EPIRB, an ultralight first aid kit, a simple emergency bivi, a Probar, and a small waterproof box that holds some fire starter, duct tape, signal mirror, compass and laser signal device. I figure that if I ever need it I would be without a useable boat and in need of extraction. Enough for 24 hours in most physical circumstances.
Posted by: dc9mm on Jul-19-13 8:33 AM (EST)
That rear pocket looks like a good idea. http://kokatat.com/products/hats-and-accessories/tributary-rear-pocket.html
The point of a ditch bag...|
Posted by: Celia on Jul-19-13 10:25 AM (EST)
can be a lot of things|
Posted by: bowler1 on Jul-19-13 1:16 PM (EST)
but to me (although I don't find a ditch bag generally necessary for most paddling in reasonable conditions) it is for when you get separated from your boat and in that instance is probably not something that should be in your boat. I also see it more as a solo paddling thing in general for use on an expedition.
Posted by: dc9mm on Jul-19-13 1:44 PM (EST)
As I thought its only real purpose if its attached to the boat is if the boat becomes so damaged it wont paddle anymore.I never disagreed on that point.Anything is possible.
Posted by: Peter-CA on Jul-19-13 1:37 PM (EST)
I think Bowler1 is on a similar thought path to me on this. To me "ditch bag" is a very specific beast - a bag that you would grab with the basic emergency stuff you need when you are abandoning your boat. And as such, not something I think is very useful in a kayak. Other vessels generally go down slowly, so time is available to grab the bag, put on PFD, etc. Not the case for a kayak.
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Posted by: slushpaddler on Jul-19-13 5:32 PM (EST)
you could call it a glad bag, it would still serve the intended function.
Kayak does not go down fast...|
Posted by: Celia on Jul-29-13 3:47 PM (EST)
if properly equipped with float bags (inflated before launch) in the front and rear bulkheaded compartments. I am of course talking about a sea kayak, but for the trip being discussed that would be the right boat. Even a boat that literally split in half at the cockpit would still have two floating bits with much of the gear (if also in dry bags) being retrievable.
I'm thinking OVERNIGHT BAG...|
Posted by: rikjohnson on Jul-29-13 3:11 PM (EST)
I have one that contains a water-filter-in-bottle, a tube tent, change of clothes, esbit stove, blanket, etc.
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Posted by: JackL on Jul-29-13 7:24 PM (EST)
"ditch bag", take a look at the Water Tribes site under the rules.