Roll Call: Doesn't "get" paddleboarding
Posted by: bogmonkey on Jul-15-13 1:41 PM (EST) Category: unassigned
I find the phenomenon of Paddleboarding very odd. I personally know FOUR people here in Florida who have purchased these gigantic, useless things only to sell them within months or (in one guys case) to just leave it hanging up in the garage after 3 trips on the water.
I do not know one Paddleboarder who is "passionate about paddleboarding" in the way the kayakers I know are. They have such limited functionaility. I can see them as useful to rent to tourists for fun, but why buy one?
I always get a chuckle watching a group of pale white northerners go paddling by while I'm fishing the bay here in St Pete...9 out of 10 paddleboarders appear to be tourists.
Good on you if that's your thing, I have just been un able to find one single person who "stuck" with paddleboarding, and I know a LOT of folks into watersports here on the Gulf.
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Posted by: thegoose on Jul-15-13 1:57 PM (EST)
ME.. never been on one myself and only get 20- 25 paddling miles in a week and not willing to give up any of those for SUP time.
Posted by: bogmonkey on Jul-15-13 2:11 PM (EST)
I have nothing against tourist traffic on the water...I have my special spots I go to when I want to be free of them. You should see the big pods of paddleboarders though!
agree, dont dig the wall|
Posted by: thegoose on Jul-15-13 2:26 PM (EST)
couple of friends|
Posted by: djo on Jul-15-13 2:02 PM (EST)
They do little for me, but I have a couple of friends that have given over to them completely in the last few years. One swears that it is the best full body exercise he has done and the second because she says they are the biggest adventure in whitewater she has encountered. I do enjoy the extra height above the water for sightseeing. I guess it is whatever floats your boat.
Posted by: mrmannerz on Jul-15-13 2:12 PM (EST)
that didn't need to be invented (sailboard without a sail, or is it a canoe with no cargo capability). I guess if it's better than nothing if you don't have storage space for a boat of any sort. I imagine that we will see paddleboards for a dime a dozen in a year or two, because I've never seen anyone that is remotely skilled at using one.
that's what folks have said for years|
Posted by: NateHanson on Jul-16-13 3:15 PM (EST)
Each year people say that "paddle board will be for sale everywhere for cheap next year". But we're not there yet.
They aren't my cup of tea|
Posted by: spadefish on Jul-15-13 2:28 PM (EST)
not a snob|
Posted by: bogmonkey on Jul-15-13 2:43 PM (EST)
Don't get me wrong...I am not a snobbish "locals only" type of guy. I have been observing the SUPPERS for a longish while now and just honestly don't get the appeal.
This is what I think.|
Posted by: spadefish on Jul-15-13 3:33 PM (EST)
Excellent response, Spadefish.|
Posted by: Steve_in_Idaho on Jul-15-13 7:08 PM (EST)
Posted by: mwhussin on Jul-22-13 3:03 PM (EST)
I want to second the thoughtful reply on this discussion about SUP's. Brilliant, and anyone quoting 'Wind in the Willows" wins major points!
I tried it, and dont get it. at all.|
Posted by: mcimes on Jul-15-13 2:35 PM (EST)
Eyore dude EYORE! |
Posted by: TommyC1 on Jul-15-13 6:26 PM (EST)
EE - ORE
I have a couple|
Posted by: davbart on Jul-15-13 2:49 PM (EST)
me neither but to each his/her own|
Posted by: slushpaddler on Jul-15-13 2:53 PM (EST)
1. I have to stand up?
best thing to happen to paddle racing|
Posted by: CapeFear on Jul-15-13 3:21 PM (EST)
In this area, SUP's are the greatest thing to happen to paddle racing. They hold several ocean paddle races here now - meaning SUP groups organize them. And they open them up to sea kayaks, surf skis, outrigger canoes, etc.
this guy can|
Posted by: thegoose on Jul-15-13 3:44 PM (EST)
again i never have .
Posted by: emanoh on Jul-15-13 4:17 PM (EST)
I would consider myself a hard core sea kayaker. I've demoed and rented a few SUP's. I prefer the touring displacement hull boards vs. the more surf oriented boards. Where I live, a surf oriented board would be a waste, but I could put some miles behind me with a touring board.
So, what advice, suggestions, or |
Posted by: g2d on Jul-15-13 3:56 PM (EST)
general help are you offering? Pnet has a swell discussion forum when you lose track of your purpose
aaaand..cue self-appointed forum cop|
Posted by: spadefish on Jul-15-13 4:17 PM (EST)
And if he has the right to post a thread|
Posted by: g2d on Jul-15-13 6:42 PM (EST)
on the wrong forum, why do I *not* have the right to call him on it?
and if you have the right to call him on|
Posted by: slushpaddler on Jul-16-13 11:11 AM (EST)
Not my cuppa|
Posted by: kayamedic on Jul-15-13 3:58 PM (EST)
I can stand in a tandem canoe and use an SUP paddle though my six foot long Maine Guide Paddle makes more sense to me.
Very popular here on the west coast|
Posted by: nickjc on Jul-15-13 4:17 PM (EST)
There are regular races here the NW practically every week. Last surfski race I did in BC had as many SUPs as all the surfskis and kayaks. The fast guys are doing 5kts on the flat and much more if they go downwind. Upwind is a different story.
Don't "get" it?|
Posted by: PJC on Jul-15-13 4:17 PM (EST)
I "get" it, rather like I "get" surfing. Looks like fun but its not something that one would expect to exert an overwhelming attraction on any reasonable inland Midwesterner. That's just a prescription for frustration. I know a couple folks who paddleboard around on the local lakes here and seem to enjoy it. Good for them.
Posted by: spadefish on Jul-15-13 4:31 PM (EST)
A) The reason you see these "educators" is there are a lot of distributors and manufacturers' reps out there trying to strike while the iron is hot. They know that if this is a fad, like windsurfing was in the 80s, they need to push hard and make their money now while the fad is going strong. Even if they are hoping it will be more than a fad, they know they have to achieve some critical mass fast. They can't just rely on the geographies that are best suited to their products, they have to push them whereever there is water to do this. I think the reason why so many folks are jumping on the bandwagon is as I said before, these things seem like an easy approach to water - not "stodgy" and "old-fashioned" like they think canoes are, not tippy like they think canoes and kayaks are either.
In North Carolina,....|
Posted by: davbart on Jul-15-13 4:49 PM (EST)
If not in the surf, you are required to have a PFD when on a paddleboard like any other vessel.
Posted by: spadefish on Jul-15-13 5:00 PM (EST)
It's probably the way it should be, but funny that you still aren't required to wear one in the surf, where you are most likely to fall off, and maybe hit your head.
Leashes are required....|
Posted by: davbart on Jul-15-13 5:04 PM (EST)
at most beaches.
I know World Paddler's Association|
Posted by: spadefish on Jul-15-13 5:24 PM (EST)
petitioned USCG to amend the reg:
PFDs and paddleboards- answer|
Posted by: spadefish on Jul-15-13 5:05 PM (EST)
USCG and paddle boards|
Posted by: NateHanson on Jul-16-13 5:58 PM (EST)
At least in the Northeast sector, the USCG has decided that SUPs are "vessels" (subject to all the same carriage requirements as a kayak) only when outside of the surf zone.
Why should we care if you get it?|
Posted by: seadart on Jul-15-13 4:45 PM (EST)
How come you didn't want to talk|
Posted by: spadefish on Jul-15-13 4:47 PM (EST)
to the ranger? :)
I didn't notice him.|
Posted by: seadart on Jul-15-13 4:51 PM (EST)
Oh, okay, it sounded like you |
Posted by: spadefish on Jul-15-13 4:58 PM (EST)
were trying to outrun him ;)
An additional note,....|
Posted by: davbart on Jul-15-13 5:07 PM (EST)
I think the popularity of SUP is apparent by your use of paddleboard and everyone's understanding that you meant SUP.
Posted by: radiomix on Jul-15-13 5:53 PM (EST)
Doubting the legitimacy of SUP, I suggest you do something. Go sign up in a good race with unlimiteds and 14 footers. After the race when they have beaten your kayak or canoe to the finish and are drinking a beer waiting on you, you can tell them about how slow, unmaneuverable, and a waste of time their sport is. I did this, and was absolutely amazed by the class of athlete I saw on those boards.
Posted by: PJC on Jul-15-13 7:39 PM (EST)
There's no doubt about it, some of these folks are very very good at what they do and I've no doubt its a good activity for many. I've no doubt its great exercise. I've no doubt that some folks can get them moving darned fast. I think its an especially attractive sport where there are big waves. I don't really mean to be disparaging, only that I think there are forms of paddle sport better suited to our location, and most others as well.
you're missing the point|
Posted by: slushpaddler on Jul-16-13 11:15 AM (EST)
i get it|
Posted by: radiomix on Jul-16-13 11:30 AM (EST)
I was just addressing the issues in the op and that others raised as to why they don't get it.
Posted by: bogmonkey on Jul-16-13 1:13 PM (EST)
Again, let me clarify that I am not "mocking" SUPPERS or the experience of paddleboarding. I just find it odd that I don't understand the appeal, and yet SO MANY seem so enthusiastic about it
i understand you arent mocking it|
Posted by: radiomix on Jul-16-13 3:16 PM (EST)
I'm just saying your reasons and most of the other reasons are dumb reasons.
So, you're the odd one? ;-)|
Posted by: steve_in_idaho on Jul-16-13 4:24 PM (EST)
"I just find it odd that I don't understand the appeal, and yet SO MANY seem so enthusiastic about it"
I hear you on golf|
Posted by: spadefish on Jul-16-13 5:22 PM (EST)
I don't know why people look at me like I just poured a sack of dead kittens on the table at a dinner party when they ask me about golfing and I say that I don't play.
Posted by: jbernard on Jul-16-13 7:14 PM (EST)
I love it when some guy in a kayak says SUPs are slow.
What figures are you looking at?|
Posted by: wavespinner on Jul-18-13 10:51 PM (EST)
The assertion seemed highly unlikely considering the wind resistance and obstacles to getting full body drive into an SUP stroke. So, I checked results for some of the bigger pro SUP races for unlimited boards, including some billed as world in scope, and the winning speeds ranged from 5.6 to 6.0 mph. We regularly exceed that in our amateur kayak races and the distances are even longer. And the pros (comparing to the pro sup results) are frequently at least a mph faster than us.
i did the same thing.|
Posted by: radiomix on Jul-19-13 10:07 AM (EST)
I thought for sure I could out pace a SUP of any length. If I was in a ski or a fsk I would probably would, but in an average 17 ft sea kayak, there are plenty of high level sup guys easily capable of beating me. The race I am specifically referencing was a 30 mile race. Some of the SUPs shot out in front of me, and I thought surely that full body stroke would tire them out and they would come back. It never happened. I finished averaging just north of 5 mph.
large and unweildy?|
Posted by: Peter-CA on Jul-15-13 6:46 PM (EST)
I like the comments about these large, unwieldy boards - coming from kayakers. Most boards are 12'6" or under (yes, some go to 14 for a particular race class, and sometimes even longer, but I don't see as many of those). Most of my kayaks are longer than this. And these unwieldy boards are half the weight of any of my kayaks.
So - you don't get it.|
Posted by: Steve_in_Idaho on Jul-15-13 7:06 PM (EST)
That's because you haven't been paying close attention.
Posted by: bowler1 on Jul-15-13 7:25 PM (EST)
I don't have one and have never paddled one, but I can see it to some extent. I am an avid sea kayaker, whitewater kayaker and canoeist.
paddleboarding for kayer article|
Posted by: Peter-CA on Jul-15-13 8:12 PM (EST)
California Kayaker Magazine had an article on paddleboarding for kayakers. It was the musing from a person who became a convert to paddleboarding after many years of kayaking (and as a kayaking instructor). Can be read online for free at http://www.calkayakermag.com/magazine.html - issue #9.
For apt. dwellers, or|
Posted by: edzep on Jul-15-13 8:44 PM (EST)
for use in small recreation areas, I get it. Other than that, not so much. As above, I have noted that wimmin on paddle boards are always fit, and worthy of a double-take.
Posted by: scombrid on Jul-15-13 9:13 PM (EST)
""""I have just been un able to find one single person who "stuck" with paddleboarding, and I know a LOT of folks into watersports here on the Gulf.""""""
I don't get it, but only because it's|
Posted by: Ayornamut on Jul-16-13 8:19 AM (EST)
not for me.
That's why windsurfing is a fair|
Posted by: spadefish on Jul-16-13 8:42 AM (EST)
Comparison, because when the faddiness of SUP dies down, there still will be a decent number of SUPers out there. It's here to stay, it just won't be as high profile as it is now, just as windsurfing isn't as high profile as it was in the 1980s. And just like windsurfing, the dabblers will sell their boards in garage sales once the buzz dies down, but the true enthusiasts will remain.
Posted by: slushpaddler on Jul-16-13 11:18 AM (EST)
Posted by: CEWilson on Jul-16-13 9:12 AM (EST)
Canoeing is a "better" game than kayaking because it requires more skill. SUPing is a better game than canoeing because it requires more skill. Maybe astro-physics is the best game of all. ??
Aaah but canoeing does not teach|
Posted by: kayamedic on Jul-16-13 9:29 AM (EST)
many about sea sense.
its all good and amusing!|
Posted by: tdaniel on Jul-16-13 11:18 AM (EST)
my 18 year old daughter is dating a SUPer. We ran the upper new (Glade to the Sandbar in wv) a few weeks ago. My daughter and I kayaked and the boyfriend had an inflatable SUP. I got the speil at the put in about the great fitness benefits, vision advantages, and general wonderfulness of SUPs along with the myth that there is great whitewater in the middle of Summersville lake (but that's a different topic).
ok that was a good read|
Posted by: slushpaddler on Jul-16-13 11:43 AM (EST)
Get it ?|
Posted by: thebob.com on Jul-16-13 2:06 PM (EST)
I don't get it...........
You are not the target market|
Posted by: wavespinner on Jul-18-13 3:26 PM (EST)
A local paddling shop is thinking of going big into SUPs and asked me to assess the market for them. My research revealed that current paddlers aren't the primary market. They don't expect to convert a significant portion of paddlers who embrace the virtues of kayaks and canoes.
I though it was just me|
Posted by: leob1 on Jul-18-13 4:21 PM (EST)
Glad I'm not the only one that doesn't get the attraction to stand up and paddling. My wife thinks it's the greatest thing going. I just think it's a dumb idea.
Very popular 'round here|
Posted by: Kocho on Jul-18-13 9:24 PM (EST)
Both for flat water and for whitewater. I got an inflatable that I take on trips - tons of fun for the kids and I get a workout too.
Agree that SUP has many benefits ... |
Posted by: water_walker on Jul-19-13 10:12 PM (EST)
But disagree with your point #2. Sit down paddling can be an excellent full-body workout, especially if you have a boat that allows you to paddle in a knees-up (racing) style and use proper technique.
It's better because its harder|
Posted by: jbernard on Jul-19-13 2:00 PM (EST)
I had 10 years of advanced sea kayaking behind me when I discovered SUP 3 years ago. I don't kayak anymore. (Got a Valley Nordkapp lv for sale cheap) Like anything else it is not for everyone but I work with and am friends with more than a dozen (former) hard core sea kayakers who do not kayak much anymore (not really at all) We are all SUPing now. But it is definitely not for everyone. The people who are attracted to SUP tend to be very physically active. They are the kinds of people who would join a Crossfit Gym rather than a traditional health club. People who would run a Tough Mudder race rather than a road race. They are not people who just want to go for a "relaxing paddle", though you can certainly do that.
Posted by: mcimes on Jul-19-13 5:02 PM (EST)
Any paddling without a rudder is tougher than with one for obvious reasons, but I think SUPing no harder than canoeing. I think canoeing is probably a little tougher because canoes dont have a keel to keep you sort of straight.
Points 2 and three....wrong.|
Posted by: Steve_in_Idaho on Jul-20-13 12:41 AM (EST)
"2) SUP is a better workout, kayaking or canoeing can't even come close. (This is appealing)
Posted by: jbernard on Jul-20-13 7:10 AM (EST)
Come on Steve, I didn't forget that but it's not paddling.
Posted by: steve_in_idaho on Jul-22-13 1:15 PM (EST)
yup. and the market described|
Posted by: slushpaddler on Jul-22-13 2:51 PM (EST)
sounds like a group of kayakers.
Posted by: mwhussin on Jul-22-13 3:06 PM (EST)
I want to second the thoughtful reply on this discussion about SUP's. Brilliant, and anyone quoting 'Wind in the Willows" wins major points!
Posted by: CEWilson on Jul-22-13 9:07 PM (EST)
SUP Boards are just like abortions. If you don't want one, don't get one!
Posted by: Cliffjrs on Jul-27-13 8:49 AM (EST)
remind me when that short lived fad snowboards, first hit the ski slopes back in the '80's. Anyone remember those ridiculous things ?
I just won a 3day rental|
Posted by: dc9mm on Jul-28-13 9:47 AM (EST)