Well I am a little shy of 50 and have paddled 20 years. After my last two canoe day-trips, I have awaken to a badly swollen left elbow. It is very tender to the touch for several days afterward. Even though I am in otherwise great shape and health,.. this is obviously bursitis and it even prevents me from doing pushups. Haven't taken any medication except a little painkiller to help sleep the first couple nights after the paddle trips. I wonder if surgery might be in my near future? Anyone out there have similiar problem? Advice?
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I've had it, mostly swelling, not much|
Posted by: g2d on Jul-15-13 10:23 AM (EST)
pain, and it didn't stop me from paddling. Wikipedia short summary:
A preventative, not treatment|
Posted by: davbart on Jul-15-13 10:50 AM (EST)
It's got'ta come off...|
Posted by: fatelmo on Jul-15-13 12:57 PM (EST)
Posted by: seadart on Jul-15-13 1:47 PM (EST)
If the swelling is over the point of the|
Posted by: g2d on Jul-15-13 3:59 PM (EST)
elbow, then it's a bursitis problem.
smaller blade, faster cadence.|
Posted by: daggermat on Jul-15-13 5:18 PM (EST)
I got bursitus from a combo of too much canoe poling combined with using my Werner Rec paddle. Woke me up about 1 a.m. with horrendous elbow pain. Took a few weeks off (went bicycling) and went back to ONLY using my AB Edge paddles, which have a smaller blade.
But if it is bursitis, it probably has |
Posted by: g2d on Jul-15-13 6:40 PM (EST)
nothing to do with cadence or stress, but started with a short, sharp blow to the eminence of the elbow.
well, that didn't happen|
Posted by: daggermat on Jul-16-13 4:56 AM (EST)
with the knee or the elbow. Elbow was "burst bursai"?? per my chiropractor. Easy potential cure to try and see if it helps. It did for me.
chiropractors are for help, but not for |
Posted by: g2d on Jul-21-13 7:21 PM (EST)
Do you have a reference for that?|
Posted by: seadart on Jul-16-13 11:11 AM (EST)
I'd like to see a published study (in a medical journal) that says ibuprofen delays healing of inflammatory overuse injuries.
I'm tired of digging up references|
Posted by: g2d on Jul-21-13 7:27 PM (EST)
that anyone with access to google can find on their own.
There is no way anyone |
Posted by: rpg51 on Jul-15-13 7:11 PM (EST)
can read posts over the internet and make a diagnosis or treatment recommendation. See a good doctor.
Posted by: string on Jul-15-13 10:35 PM (EST)
So are we placing bets? When I |
Posted by: g2d on Jul-15-13 11:49 PM (EST)
went in with a swollen bursa sticking back from my elbow, the doctor said it was gout!
oh for goodness sakes|
Posted by: slushpaddler on Jul-16-13 11:10 AM (EST)
He's right. Doctors are more informed. Your anecdotal experience doesn't disprove that.
Who worked side-by-side with doctors|
Posted by: g2d on Jul-21-13 3:03 PM (EST)
throughout his career, half the time in orthopedic and rehabilitation medicine settings, you, or me?
Sure doesn't show in your case|
Posted by: slushpaddler on Jul-22-13 11:02 AM (EST)
Chiropractors have medical credentials?|
Posted by: g2d on Jul-22-13 1:00 PM (EST)
Sort of, maybe. Your mom is a good diagnostician? Maybe. Plenty of doctors aren't. That is my point. It's no good saying only a doctor can diagnose, when doctors aren't that reliable at it.
Had bursitis in my knee|
Posted by: eckilson on Jul-16-13 4:40 AM (EST)
Doctor prescribed rest and large quantities of Ibuprofen to reduce the inflammation. Once it settled down he suggested getting some regular exercise, so I now do about 10 minutes each day on the bike at the gym - seems to have solved the problem.
The swollen bursa problem at the elbow|
Posted by: g2d on Jul-16-13 10:41 AM (EST)
has no direct equivalent at the knee. Swelling at the knee typically occurs in the joint space. The elbow condition I had, and which it appears the OP has, is like an exterior blister in the bursa. If not aggravated, the fluid will subside and, usually, the pocket that held the expansion will decrease.
This has been my experience as well.|
Posted by: deuce on Jul-16-13 11:02 AM (EST)
I had a large swelling of the bursa around my left elbow (pain too) and it eventually went away. My wife was grossed out by it which gave me a good chuckle or two. I had the same thing on the lower front of my right shoulder coupled with impingement issues and this problem eventually resolved itself, but I did find a TENS unit very helpful. Now I have it on the left shoulder albeit worse and I'm confident it will go away as well, but if it doesn't soon I may have to let the doc jab me. This one is bugging me quite a bit. I'm too young for this stuff.
I know what helps for tennis elbow|
Posted by: tdaniel on Jul-16-13 11:46 AM (EST)
or tendonitis. A simple fix is to buy a stretch band at a drug store that is designed to fit around your arm above the tendon. The band takes the stress off the tendon at the joint where it is hurting. Quite effective. Kayaking doesn't aggravate my elbow like canoeing does so you could also try switching paddling styles.
Had same thing|
Posted by: Jaybabina on Jul-16-13 1:02 PM (EST)
I have kayaked since the 70's. Go to a gym, take yoga etc.
Well thanks for the vast experience|
Posted by: yatipope on Jul-20-13 3:16 AM (EST)
Thanks to everyone for a load of info here on p.net. I am 100% sure it is Bursitis. I did a very challenging paddle yesterday and iced it afterwards. I will see if the swelling is reduced. BTW this has occured only after doing double-bladed paddling in my canoe in power-paddling situations going UP rivers and on a big lake. I think my next trip I will do ONLY single-blade paddle and see if it re-occurs.
Well there you have it....|
Posted by: eckilson on Jul-20-13 5:51 AM (EST)
The single blade gods are taking their revenge. ;-)
preventative care = Yes, but also it's..|
Posted by: bigspencer on Jul-21-13 2:24 PM (EST)
OK,..UMM Not sure about that!|
Posted by: yatipope on Jul-22-13 1:50 AM (EST)
Well I do think your recommendation to use a less aggressive blade is good advice. The first time (and worst time) was when I used a mild sized touring kayak blade on an 8 mile lake paddle. I was paddling kinda aggesive though so that probably contributed. I have NO intertube so to speak and am otherwise in excellent physical shape at 5'11" and 188lbs. I keep very fit but this recent bursitis has reared up. I did ice it after last weeks paddle and it helped tremendously in keeping the swelling and pain in check. I just don't know about doing multi-day paddle trips? Probably have to ice it every evening.
Posted by: waterbearer on Jul-22-13 2:00 PM (EST)
Years ago I developed tennis elbow after a season of lots of paddling. This was mostly WW canoeing. Painful elbow, but no swelling. Started using a support brace and did some thinking about my stroke.
Push-Pull stroke technique|
Posted by: yatipope on Aug-07-13 11:04 PM (EST)
I have seen SO MANY opinions and styles on canoe paddle stroke technique that it is dizzying! I met an native Hawaiian who is an open ocean solo canoe racer (who happens to be married to my neice) and he is a BIG believer in the push-pull stroke that basically makes your paddle stroke a nearly circular motion through the water,..NOT the more common "keep the blade perpindicular to the water for the longest distance possible by rotating your torso" method I have seen preached many times and use when I am concentrating on distance and speed. I certainly would think that the later IS more efficient for speed and distance per stroke but for endurance,.. maybe not?
Posted by: CEWilson on Aug-07-13 11:32 PM (EST)
See a Sp[orts med MD, but also best to improve the forward stroke by not bending the elbow, which includes torso rotation. Best footage is SUP paddlers, who rotate from the toenails up.
And shorten that forward stroke|
Posted by: kayamedic on Aug-08-13 6:49 AM (EST)
Its not a long distance power phase in the water. Its quite short!