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  who only canoes here rather than kayak?
  Posted by: paddletothesea on Jul-04-13 5:09 PM (EST)
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  I used to do both, but...
  Posted by: davbart on Jul-04-13 5:15 PM (EST)
I've sold my last kayak, and paddle only canoe now.
  Posted by: rblturtle on Jul-05-13 11:10 AM (EST)
Solo canoe. I actually owned a nice kayak for about 1 month. By buddy has pictures of me in it he keeps threatining my with. really one dementional and My back took weeks to recover. A good learning experience.Never again!
  FatElmo only canoes
  Posted by: Andy_Szymczak on Jul-04-13 5:17 PM (EST)
But enlightened people like myself canoes, kayaks and surfski's! ;-)
  Proof, Andy, Proof
  Posted by: Glenn_MacGrady on Jul-04-13 7:00 PM (EST)
We have been photographically informed that you have a noun-canoe, but there is as yet no Zapruder evidence that you verb-canoe it.

Me - I canoed all my life until the anomalous 1996-2004 period, during which I bought three sea kayaks and paddled them almost to the exclusion of canoes. This period is now known as the "My Lost Years", "My Dopey Middle-Age Paddling Crisis" or "How to be Unhappy and Mediocre with a Double Blade". Since that historical hiccup, I have been exclusively open canoe.

I do want to give credit to Jeff Jones of Western Mountaineering in San Jose, CA, for teaching me how to whitewater kayak in the Sierra Nevadas back in 1980, and then selling me a Mad River Explorer, so I could run rivers in a more sensible and challenging hull.
  My main rides
  Posted by: Andy_Szymczak on Jul-05-13 3:17 PM (EST)
Artisan Millenium, Sawyer Summersong, Fenn Mako xt
  I was canoe only, until
  Posted by: betmkaplan on Jul-04-13 5:25 PM (EST)
my wife, in a fit of generosity, got me a rec kayak. It is fine for messing around in^_^.
  I do
  Posted by: PJC on Jul-04-13 5:26 PM (EST)
- only canoes, that is. I own an old whitewater kayak that I learned to roll in (kind of - my roll is something short of bombproof) but it is uncomfortable for me to sit in and can carry almost nothing in the way of camping equipment. I've never really used it for even a day trip.

Nothing against kayaks, of course. Some of my best friends...etc. And there are days and places where they're just the ticket. Cold, windy days on big water, for example. If I lived on or nearer to the Great Lakes, the ocean, in Iceland, I'd probably prefer kayaks. But I don't.
  I have only canoes
  Posted by: kayamedic on Jul-04-13 5:33 PM (EST)
but I do use a double blade sometimes. Not in FreeStyle of course.

What is my Mad River Monarch?..its a sea canoe.
My RapidFire designed to be double bladed a pack canoe.

Did you ask the question you meant to ask?
  I don't only use canoes.
  Posted by: Guideboatguy on Jul-04-13 6:06 PM (EST)
I also use rowboats.

But I've been in a kayak a few times. Once time, it was to see if I could learn to roll (I did manage to do a few rolls but I never tried it again because even the biggest boat of the 20 or so that the class provided was too small to accommodate the length of my legs - had bruises on my thighs for a week), once to teach a kayaker how to do eddy turns, and once on a river that was low and scratchy so I felt more like using a borrowed plastic kayak than my own canoe.
  A lack of flexibility in my hamstrings
  Posted by: TommyC1 on Jul-04-13 6:19 PM (EST)
Means that I only kneel and canoe rather than sit and kayak.
Miss that Caribou!
  I only canoe....
  Posted by: JackL on Jul-04-13 6:56 PM (EST)
when I am in the canoe.

Jack L
  Was Canoe Only .....
  Posted by: TOPHER on Jul-04-13 6:57 PM (EST)
..... until I moved back to the coast, where kayaks make much more sense.
  your County
  Posted by: coronaboy on Jul-05-13 10:08 AM (EST)
-- Last Updated: Jul-05-13 10:13 AM EST --

hey! are you familiar with Tim Littlefield? He's a TV star on Discovery Channel......OK really only a byline....but as I watch, seems to be a legend...

  I'm Not Familiar ....
  Posted by: TOPHER on Jul-05-13 11:57 AM (EST)
..... but I don't have T.V. and am not aware of what's on the Discovery Channel these days. What's his story ?

If its about Humboldt and on Discovery then my guess is that it either about Sasquatch or the cannabis business. Either way its probably less than 10% true.
  the latter....
  Posted by: coronaboy on Jul-06-13 7:52 AM (EST)
  Why? You tryin' to recommend
  Posted by: spiritboat on Jul-04-13 7:44 PM (EST)
a better cologne? Man, that stuff has been a chick magnet for me ever since I saw the commercial below, way back in the 70's. (I don't often trip's Advice forum--But I recommend this stuff for every guy!)

  Canoes only
  Posted by: duckhunter on Jul-04-13 8:10 PM (EST)
I have tried kayaks a couple times but can't see any advantage to them at all over canoes. I spend nearly all my time in solo canoes and use them about 5 days per week. Most years I paddle 300 to 500 miles between ice out in the spring and freeze up in early winter. I use my solos for duck and goose hunting, fishing, bird and wildlife watching, working out and just cruising.

A light solo canoe is easier for me to load and unload off my truck, exit and enter in the water, and just plain more comfortable. I can lay my fishing gear or bird ID books out in front of me in a dry box and move around to keep my joints more flexible. I also like sitting up higher to see what is in the water in the way of fish and plants. On a recent canoe trip with some kayakers where the water was very skinny I seemed to be able to pick the routes where I scraped less than the kayaks and I think this because I was sitting higher.

I just turned 70 and purchased a new Swift Osprey carbon fusion solo canoe that weighs 26 1/2 pounds. I hope to be able to paddle this craft foe many years to come. I also have a Wenonah prism, 2 Sawyer DY Specials and a Sawyer Kevlar Cruiser canoe.
  kayaks work better
  Posted by: slushpaddler on Jul-10-13 10:44 AM (EST)
  Canoe +
  Posted by: MCImes on Jul-04-13 8:38 PM (EST)
I only canoe, although my next boat will be an Epic V10, 12 or 14.

Here's why; Single blade is more fun, double blade is faster.
  Canoes Only
  Posted by: wildernesswebb on Jul-04-13 8:46 PM (EST)
Tried kayaks and did both and had a nice decked canoe (Mad River Monarch) for a few years. But a severed femoral artery in 2004 led to some nerve damage in my leg. Can't sit more than 20-30 minutes without numbness. Canoes afford me the flexibility to kneel and move about easily to thwart the numbness.
  Canoe only
  Posted by: baldpaddler on Jul-04-13 9:00 PM (EST)
although my youngest son had a kayak and I would (probably) let my daughter marry a kayaker.

Of course since I don't have a daughter I don't have to worry....
  50 years..............
  Posted by: on Jul-04-13 9:52 PM (EST)
-- Last Updated: Jul-04-13 10:02 PM EST --

I've canoed about 50 years.

In that time I have owned probably 50 canoes, and 1 kayak. It mostly sat on a rack in a garage & gathered dust.

I hated it.
Makes my back hurt.
Not enough room to move around, and change positions.
I'm not into traveling light, and stuffing multiple bags into limited space is a pita I can live without.
I like having a cooler & all that a big one can carry. I like having extra space in a canoe; I equate traveling light with suffering needlessly.
You want to travel light; go for it.
When it's time for me to bail out of a canoe; I want out fast. Can't get out of kayak fast; my legs are too long.
Don't care about rolling, and don't like skirt covered cockpit.
A one bladed paddle is all I need to go where I want to go.
I'm not racing anyone; I have no need to go fast.
If I was into going fast; there are a lot of kayaks I could outrun in some canoes I own.

I don't really care what others want to paddle; that's their option.


  never been in a kayak .......
  Posted by: pilotwingz on Jul-04-13 10:12 PM (EST)
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...... so I don't know if there's anything I'd like about them . I have considered many things I don't think I'd like about them though .

Thought I was in a kayak once , but then I woke up ... good thing too because I was having a great deal of trouble and kept falling over in rough water ... I had a bomb proof roll but I don't think constant rolling is how one is suppose to kayak :-)

I've always enjoyed being in the canoe ...

  What's a kayak?
  Posted by: headwinds on Jul-05-13 12:09 AM (EST)
  Me! Me!
  Posted by: FatElmo on Jul-05-13 8:58 AM (EST)
Me! Me! Me! Me! Me! Me! Me! Me! Me! Me! Me! Me! Me! Me! Me! Me!

  Posted by: Mattt on Jul-05-13 9:54 AM (EST)
never been in a kayak
  Sat in kayaks twice ...
  Posted by: PlacidPaddler on Jul-05-13 10:18 AM (EST)
... and that was experience enough. I like being able to see my feet.
  as long as they both
  Posted by: radiomix on Jul-05-13 10:21 AM (EST)
Exist, I will do both, and any other watercraft that comes my way.

Ryan L.
  This side of the pond
  Posted by: cockneykayaker on Jul-05-13 11:35 AM (EST)
They're all Canoes. Then we further define them as "Canadian Canoes" or "Kayaks"
  my choice is canoe only, but a surprise
  Posted by: bigspencer on Jul-05-13 12:34 PM (EST)
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paddle, with kayakers & kayaks only around, does go kayak. Happens about every other year....

  Tried ww and sea kayaks but
  Posted by: stevet on Jul-05-13 12:56 PM (EST)
It was a short and insincere flirtation in the early stages of paddling. Only canoe as that fits my requirements/desires these's just more fun.
  canoes forever
  Posted by: ppine on Jul-05-13 3:21 PM (EST)
I liked thebob's post. I built a Pygmy Coho and then tried a salt water kayak trip in the San Juan Is.

I sold the kayak and went back to only canoes. Bigger, faster, more room, more cargo, more tradition.
I don't like being stuck in a kayak cockpit for hours.
  not me, its all good
  Posted by: tdaniel on Jul-06-13 7:17 AM (EST)
-- Last Updated: Jul-06-13 7:26 AM EST --

I find myself kayaking more and canoeing less these days. c1s and ww canoes were becoming more painful on my knees as I entered my 50s. I'm not a boat snob although some boats are definitely better suited for some environments than others.

I think its natural to take pride in what you paddle and share kinship with those who enjoy the same things. Just be well rounded enough to know that your way isn't the only way or even the "best" way.

Of course "best" means many different things to different people- for me: its cheap, made out of plastic, comfortable, and likes to bounce off of rocks ...but I also enjoying learning about what others consider "best". I've got more growth potential here than on "boater talk" because the view is much more diverse. I'm looking to expand the number of different environments I paddle in. So I think location first, type of boat second.

Whatever and where ever we decide to paddle, we all need to keep it safe. Enjoy the diversity this website offers.

  Canoes for tripping
  Posted by: rpg51 on Jul-06-13 7:58 AM (EST)
kayaks for day paddles.
  Household compromise
  Posted by: pgeorg on Jul-06-13 8:18 AM (EST)
I only canoe, but my wife will paddle a kayak when she is concerned about keeping up with others. Usually, though, we are both in solo canoes.

I'm one of those people whose back cannot tolerate the posture required in a kayak for very long.

  Back pain
  Posted by: rpg51 on Jul-06-13 9:21 AM (EST)
I have a terrible back but I have discovered that a well fitted Kayak and improved technique has eliminated all my back pain. Indeed - I now think of paddling my kayak as a physical therapy session for my back. I can paddle for hours with zero pain. Amazing.
  canoes for now
  Posted by: eebclee on Jul-06-13 1:36 PM (EST)
We only have a canoe, started canoeing when we were in school in Michigan. But then the reason I logged in today was to look into kayaks. Out here in California I'm starting to think a kayak would make more sense in some circumstances. Most of those circumstances involve lakes and estuaries that can become unexpectedly windy.
  I prefer canoes, but own four kayaks
  Posted by: ezwater on Jul-06-13 1:55 PM (EST)
that I use occasionally. In my yooth, I could roll both decked canoes and kayaks. For multiple wilderness overnights, I would use whichever was more suitable for safety on the water.
  Only canoe
  Posted by: MORiverPaddler on Jul-06-13 2:30 PM (EST)
Can't get into that double paddle thing, single stick is the way to go! And I'm still determined to join Team Kruger before my paddling days are over!
  only canoe
  Posted by: daggermat on Jul-06-13 6:46 PM (EST)
at my most varietal I had 13 boats. One was a 28' sailboat, had an 8' sailing dinghy, a motorized dinghy, 2 C1's, one squirtboat (underwater kayak, where kayaks belong) that i used handpaddles with, and the rest are OC1's and 2's in ww and poling set ups. Cleaned house, and have 5 canoes left.
  Posted by: jhb8426 on Jul-06-13 9:21 PM (EST)
I only have a canoe. Two actually...
  "canoeing only---"
  Posted by: ret603 on Jul-07-13 9:24 AM (EST)
Me, I still eat only fossilized dinosaur meat and bison. Have no use for cattle meat and look down on those who eat it.

  I agree. Dave.
  Posted by: spiritboat on Jul-07-13 11:14 AM (EST)
And my ancestors didn't rise to the top of the food chain for me to become a vegetarian, either.

How many strictly-canoe turkeys here wax on about, "OOOHHH, I tried kayaking for a time. But I found out I was only mediocre at it, so I quickly went running back to canoe hulls exclusively.(Like, I got my rocks off with the mistress quickly, but begged my faithful wife to take me back.) "Besides, a double blade made things too easy and I never really wanted to learn how to roll. But worst of all, I couldn't carry a cooler!!! Bwah!!!"

Yes, it's so good to dismiss "traveling light." I mean, the reason you want to commune with wilderness on a say a day trip or a week or so out, is to bring as much shit along with you as possible...I mean, this could be like going to the moon and back, right? So better to have absolutely EVERYTHING you can possibly think of along, right? No, better if you stayed home.

BREAKING NEWS!!! A canoe can hurt your back from improper use, every bit as much as an improperly used kayak can...It's true! I own both canoes and kayaks. I've properly used and improperly used both. I like both. I at times detest both. I've had aches and pains from both. But that's why I paddle. I like to feel some muscle strain now and then. Let's me know I'm alive and have a good working body--To which I gratefully thank de good Lawd(Of course, if you don't believe in him, like you don't believe in kayaks, just wing a prayer off to the Great Pumpkin and ask Allah to pass the mash potatoes.)

Here's one last thought: Know why I never take my 16 foot canoe to ride surf waves on the ocean? Same reason I don't use my 16 foot sea kayak on very narrow and twisty rock strewn rivers.
  Dave and Bob
  Posted by: TommyC1 on Jul-08-13 5:10 PM (EST)
You guys really got that religious fanatic thing down.
Here's a mantra to try.
They're only paddle boats.
They're only for fun.
Keep saying that over and over. Maybe it will sink in?
  That religious fanatic thing?
  Posted by: on Jul-08-13 6:27 PM (EST)
-- Last Updated: Jul-09-13 10:48 AM EST --

I stated my opinion; I gave reasons why I don't like kayaks. I don't seek, or need anybody's permission to state my opinion.

While stating my opinion I said, "You want to travel light; go for it".

Additionally, I said, "I don't really care what others want to paddle; that's up to them".

I fail to see why anyone feels the need to concern themselves with what I like, dislike, what I carry, or choose to paddle. Nor do I see the need for anyone to use labeling, and name calling as a retort to my opinion, or the opinion of others.


P.S. If I were "really" a religious fanatic, or rabid canoe only believer; I'd probably be telling some people to, "Kiss my strictly canoe turkey ass"! But I didn't say that; what I did say was, "I don't really care what other's want to paddle, that's up to them".

  Religious fanatic?
  Posted by: ret603 on Jul-08-13 10:03 PM (EST)

I don't know where you got that religious fanatic impression from. I rarely attend church and when I do it is a UU church. They allow one to believe whatever they want, in contrast to many Pnet posters who think they have seen God and now have a responsibility to preach her word.

My post was an attempt at sarcasm directed towards those who rigidly cling to only one type of boat and only one type of paddle, while rewriting the history of recreational paddling to fit their narrow definitions.

As I have posted before, I paddle both canoes and kayaks. I used single blades before a shoulder injury/reconstruction eliminated using them. I used double blade paddles in pack canoes for decades and now am limited to using only double blade paddles in both canoes and kayaks by the mentioned shoulder reconstruction. It is not a religious decision, just an adaption to be able to continue the paddling have enjoyed all my life.

  An attempt at clarification
  Posted by: TommyC1 on Jul-09-13 4:50 AM (EST)
First off "Bob" was referring to Spiritboat who's name is also Bob. It was not referring to or anything he posted.
My bad there for not being clear.

Second, ret603 (don't want to piss off some random Dave!)
Your post titled "canoeing only---" strikes me as coming from one who follows the kayak religion. Yep kayaking isn't a religion. At least it shouldn't be.
I attempted to include spiritboat in that as he ran with your caveman analogy.

Me? I only canoe.
ret603, I found your post titled "canoeing only---" sarcastic and insulting.
spiritboat, your follow up titled "I agree. Dave." struck me as more of the same.

now I'm going to SHADDAP AN PADDLE!
  Dave and Bob's posts are off topic
  Posted by: Glenn_MacGrady on Jul-09-13 10:51 AM (EST)
  Well I was trying to stay out of here
  Posted by: spiritboat on Jul-09-13 3:08 PM (EST)
-- Last Updated: Jul-09-13 3:25 PM EST --

althogether and off this way-off topic thread to begin with...But let's say, I was overcome by "religious" frenzy and the rapture of Tommy's "mantra."

Here was the point I think Dave was making(in which I was agreeing)

"They're only paddle boats, they're only for fun.
They're only paddle boats, they're only for fun.
Simply because you prefer one over the other,
doesn't mean you have holier-than-thou poop that
don't stink."

And Tommy, it's "SHUT-UP AND PADDLE!" Not, "SHADDAP"--(Now if we can only get a whole thread going on which is better terminology, it'd be no different than the rest of all, this is a national-global message board, not yer local "Bahston" harbor barroom crowd;-

(..And my apologies to the "thebob"--Hopefully, we can get together for a friendly paddle sometime in the future...And you can just ignore me if I ask you to o carry some of the extra stuff from my kayak in your canoe.)

  Using names is more clear than
  Posted by: Yanoer on Jul-09-13 2:46 PM (EST)
using real names, which most other posters and readers are likely not familiar with.

That would avert much confusion.
  Posted by: kayamedic on Jul-11-13 11:40 PM (EST)
And retro 603 is leading canoeing workshops at the Wooden CANOE Heritage Association Assembly.

Which also seems to involve CANOE paddling.. instead of Internet paddling.

Hmmm.. going back out there on the water. Its pretty nice here in canoe country.
  Well Dave, you really ought to...
  Posted by: canoeswithduckheads on Jul-10-13 10:16 AM (EST)
...try the fossilized Holdstein nFreeze, son, that my Aunt Enga serves as the purported dinner, every fourth Sunday of the month at our familial-attendance-mandatory Teutonic Terrors In Dining event. (Oh how I do wish she'd find something other than the Wagner for the dinner muzak.)

Oh, and don't expect to be lookin' down on Aunt Edna. At 6 feet 3 inches in stature (and that's before she puts on the clogs!), she never sits during dinner, preferring, in her roll as the Hell Hun Hostess, to goose-rhino-step circles about the banquet table, dressed in her combination Dirndl/East German National Olympic Team Shot-putter ensemble (Say! That probably explains those occasional outbursts of roid rage!), plunking down additional platters of post-Miocene meat product (I believe Elmo's Spam is pre-Cretaceous) while twitching her swagger stick as some sort of metronome to speed up our mastications of the sinewy bovine. It ain't yer Aunt Golda's brisket, I can assure you that!

Afterwards, we all go out on the adjacent mill race, each in his-or-her individual kayak (canoes are no longer allowed, as Enga says they remind her too much of the size 17 loafers Uncle Gunther left behind under the bed when he ditched her for that Romanian gymnast he met at the 76 Games in Montreal) to practice our rolls and duffeks as Enga hurls 8-kilo shot at us.
  Canoe only
  Posted by: pat2 on Jul-08-13 11:02 AM (EST)
I had a ww kayak in the 80's, and had fun in it. The nearest whitewater was 3 hrs away and it only had enough water to float a couple of times a year. I joined a canoe club to learn technique and for safety, but I am not club material (not a people person).
Today I own 3 solo and one tandem canoes. If I lived near the coast or the Great Lakes, I would have a touring kayak for sure
  Posted by: sissy103 on Jul-09-13 6:56 AM (EST)
As my pack canoe is not a "real" canoe, and my sit-on-top kayak is not a "real" kayak---

But I do have an unreal amount of fun paddling anyway.
  Uh-Oh Sissy...
  Posted by: spiritboat on Jul-09-13 3:12 PM (EST)
Now you've really gone and open a can of worms, you irreverent paddlin' rebel you!

  The only "true canoe" justification
  Posted by: DUUJ on Jul-09-13 8:40 PM (EST)
For those poor, awkward, ill balanced, (yet apparently beloved) paddle boats is....
if you need to take a very large dog, (or pony) and a very large boy (or girl) scout along with you. (And they absolutely refuse to be stuffed in a hatch.)
  Ever heard of solo canoes?
  Posted by: Yanoer on Jul-10-13 12:00 AM (EST)
  Stirring things up, or serious?
  Posted by: Guideboatguy on Jul-10-13 9:57 AM (EST)
I frequently paddle solo canoes in places where kayakers seldom go, and when they do, they are miserable. Each style of boat has certain advantages over the other, and the advantages of canoes include far more things than hatchless loading of gear.


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