Posted by: soren4cor on Jun-25-13 4:14 PM (EST) Category: Other Gear
Just for fun, and for the exercise, my brother and I wanted to get into rowing. Not kayak rowing but olympic rowing, where you use your feet to push back for a stronger stroke.
We wanted a kayak or canoe that could be converted to have sliding seats in order to do this, as a regular rowing shell/ skiff runs upward of 2500$.
Any ideas? we need to stay below a 1200$ price range!
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Posted by: mintjulep on Jun-25-13 5:23 PM (EST)
Older used doubles appear to be available in your price range.
I wouldn't use a canoe|
Posted by: Guideboatguy on Jun-25-13 6:07 PM (EST)
A guy bought my Wenonah Voyager|
Posted by: Yanoer on Jun-25-13 6:37 PM (EST)
Ultra Light to row on the Detroit river and loved it for that.
soren4cor, where are you? |
Posted by: g2d on Jun-25-13 7:04 PM (EST)
It's hard to get into sculling unless you're near a river where there's active rowing.
Why rivers? How about lakes?|
Posted by: Guideboatguy on Jun-25-13 7:31 PM (EST)
Gosh, I didn't say lakes. Gosh.I|
Posted by: g2d on Jun-25-13 10:37 PM (EST)
I am so mortified.
Posted by: Guideboatguy on Jun-25-13 10:56 PM (EST)
I figured it was that east-coast Ivy-league thing going on.
and nothing on impoundments?!|
Posted by: slushpaddler on Jun-27-13 3:05 PM (EST)
I'll be watching the reply here closely|
Posted by: jackl on Jun-25-13 7:23 PM (EST)
Since my wife and I have been wanting a two person rowing shell for a long time.
CANOE ROWING CONVERSION KITS|
Posted by: scupperfrank on Jun-25-13 9:42 PM (EST)
Thanks, Frank. That led to interesting |
Posted by: g2d on Jun-26-13 9:58 PM (EST)
Posted by: njsurfboat on Jun-26-13 10:02 AM (EST)
I moderate a facebook page and yahoo group named open water rower. I sold a piantadosi drop in rig that I used in a 17 ft stowe canoe. i rowed the Wye Island Regatta using it, a little faster than using fixed seat. Slidingg seat is a really unpleasant way to propel a boat....unless its a dedicated shell and speed is the goal, or a heavy boat. Or if you lack uper body strength, it compensates. i can go on about the annoyances. Mostly adding another plane of motion ruins your view and perception. would you jump up and down when riding a bicycle? LOL. Im selling a Loudon Rowboat on Ebay now in MD for a freind. the finest two person rowboats ever, or a workout for a fit single.
Not to hijack the thread|
Posted by: Guideboatguy on Jun-26-13 10:20 AM (EST)
... or change the topic (but hey, we do that here), but that reminds me of another thing that I personally don't like about sliding seats. All that moving hardware is LOUD. On a really quiet morning, I can hear a pair of "fours" at a distance of more than a mile (more rowers per boat simply means it's even louder). The first time I heard this sound early this spring, I'd completely forgotten about the rowing clubs, and I thought someone was walking a track-mounted backhoe for some great distance along one of the concrete streets on shore. I was rowing too, and in my quick glances over my shoulder I simply didn't see a couple of little boats a mile ahead of me. I sure could hear them though (damn, I didn't think they allowed backhoes to travel such a long distance on pavement!). Of course, this is something that is exclusively an urban, athletic endeavor, and it's NOT a means for traveling or being part of nature, so the racket isn't something the participants should think about.
Agree about the noise, most of which|
Posted by: g2d on Jun-26-13 10:41 AM (EST)
is from the sculls and oarlocks at the catch. The sliding seat itself shouldn't be noisy.
Posted by: soren4cor on Jun-26-13 7:01 PM (EST)
So I am currently in Memphis TN (by our parents), but my brother and I are in college in NYC, and are based up there.
For what it is worth|
Posted by: jackl on Jun-26-13 7:09 PM (EST)
If you got into fast, (race training ) in a kayak you will not only get a aerobic workout, but a good body work out, and not just your upper body. You pump off the foot pegs as you take each stroke.
not the same workout|
Posted by: willowleaf on Jun-27-13 1:33 AM (EST)
Oarlocks versus outriggers|
Posted by: Guideboatguy on Jun-27-13 8:38 AM (EST)
You may be trying to say this correctly, but perhaps not, and it probably should be clarified. Yes, people often install oarlocks on various Old Town canoes, and Old Town even sells them. But those are gunwale-mounted oarlocks, and combining a sliding seat with regular gunwale-mounted oarlocks would be a huge mistake. The sliding seat amplifies your length of pull so much that only very long oars are suitable, and oars of that length must have the pivot point located quite far outside of the gunwales in order to have the handles positioned where you want them.
Posted by: willowleaf on Jun-27-13 10:23 AM (EST)
Thanks for the correction on that (oarlocks versus rowing frame). I was also chastised by a friend with far more experience with rowing craft than I have. Checking my source I did, indeed, confuse a description of modifying an OT Guide with the adaptation of an Adirondack guide boat.
Hurka is gone|
Posted by: willowleaf on Jun-27-13 10:25 AM (EST)
Ah, too late. The Hurka was sold since yesterday.
I think the oarlock to oarlock span on |
Posted by: g2d on Jun-27-13 3:51 PM (EST)
my racing single was about 60 inches. Not many utilitarian or pleasure rowboats have gunwales that wide!
Posted by: Guideboatguy on Jul-05-13 1:14 PM (EST)
Thanks, that makes sense. |
Posted by: g2d on Jul-05-13 1:53 PM (EST)
And with the old wooden oars and sculls, the power face side of the shaft was kind of streamlined, while the non power face, which would drag through the water relative to the blade itself, was flat. Streamlining both faces of the shaft, and getting most of the shaft out of the water, might make a noticeable difference.
You're in NYC?|
Posted by: mintjulep on Jun-26-13 8:44 PM (EST)
There are multiple rowing clubs.
There you go|
Posted by: carldelo on Jun-27-13 11:51 AM (EST)
That's the right advice....
alden makes a poly shell|
Posted by: slushpaddler on Jun-27-13 3:13 PM (EST)
Posted by: njsurfboat on Jun-28-13 9:52 PM (EST)
Sliding seat rowing isnt a magical workout. when I had a few different shells, after 20 minutes I would start to fatgue and lose some coordination. Catch oarblades, lose balance etc.. seating discomfort. go to a gym an row a concept 2 rower for 30 minutes. Most likely you wont make it. Fixed seat rowing=mo betta, unless you are a dedicated athelete. Buy an ocean kayak and paddle for an hour, great, but not totally pleasant workout. trick is to find a fast canoe or kayak, something that is pleasant for hours on end, not to beat yourself up for 30 minutes.
Posted by: angstrom on Jun-30-13 8:22 AM (EST)
Used boats are always an option. Try local rowing clubs, craigslist, etc.
Posted by: carldelo on Jun-30-13 11:39 AM (EST)
There's also the Pygmy offering for DIY:
Posted by: njsurfboat on Jul-01-13 1:31 PM (EST)
Just listed a canoe on ebay, show with a piantadosi scout rig sliding seat rig. Search my user name, njsurfboat, or Store canoe.
Got me looking|
Posted by: rjd9999 on Jul-05-13 10:46 AM (EST)
and you have to give these guys points for creativity. Should be cheap to get boards, not sure about the scull kit:
Alden Ocean Shell|
Posted by: brodie on Jul-10-13 1:22 AM (EST)
Can usually find one for relatively short money if you look hard enough. Try the classifieds at row2k.com - I've sold several boats there.