Very specific Kayak recommendation
Posted by: dstmartin on Jun-24-13 11:26 PM (EST) Category: unassigned
With all the kayak experience on this forum, I thought I'd ask you all your opinion on the following.
I'm looking for a kayak that is:
- Under $1000
- Under 50 lbs
- 10' or longer
- Transitional or touring-type
- two hatches
- low volume
- and a cockpit on the larger side (my disability prevents me from safely exiting a tight cockpit)
I will be paddling this in larger lakes and coastal ocean waters
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- Very specific Kayak recommendation - dstmartin - Jun-24-13 11:26 PM
Posted by: carldelo on Jun-25-13 12:49 AM (EST)
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You want low volume but a large cockpit, generally not found together. For your price range, you should look at used boats.
You're in MA, I saw a CD Pachena listed at Charles River Canoe & Kayak:
Here are the specs (it's discontinued):
I've had one of these for 7 years and will never sell it. It is endlessly forgiving, has a large cockpit with wide comfortable seat, behaves well in confused waters. It's a perfect loaner, and my wife's favorite boat.
The main issue is that this one has one rear hatch and a float bag in the front (I have a two hatch model). Also, it is at the top of your weight range.
However, this is worth serious consideration at the asking price of $800 (I paid much more and was happy to get it). Even better would be a kevlar version with two hatches, they weigh only 43 pounds or so, but usually sell for $1500-$1800.
PS read the reviews here on p-net.
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your height/weight, inseam?|
Posted by: suiram on Jun-25-13 9:52 AM (EST)
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It won't cost you a cent, because |
Posted by: ezwater on Jun-25-13 11:06 AM (EST)
it will exist only in your imagination.
Maybe you should focus on what you want to DO most, and leave us to work out the specifics in the world of reality.
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Posted by: Peter-CA on Jun-25-13 11:09 AM (EST)
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I am with Carl - going to be hard to find the boat you want. Under $1000 may get you a plastic boat. I've seen some Dagger Alchemy boats for sale at $999 new, but they normally retail for some $1250.
Problem is that plastic boats generally are going to be over 50 pounds. Some manufacturers may list a plastic boat as being close to 50, but these are often ones that weighted the boat without outfitting (many manufacturers do this), so the weight as you get it is a few pounds higher.
On cockpit opening sizes, I'd get ahold of a Seal's skirt sizing guide and look for a boat with a 1.7 skirt. I think this would be a good mix of larger opening size, yet still small enough that a skirt can seal for the open water conditions you said you want to paddle. But this is me guessing - you really should get out and try different boats and pay attention to what size skirts they use (the larger the number, the bigger the opening). I can barely fold my legs in (6' tall, 32" inseam) while sitting in the seat of a 1.4 skirt, and no way with a 1.2. Next size up is 2.2 and these opening just seem huge to me.
But, as said by another, these boats with medium size cockpits generally aren't low volume, as many people here think of low volume (often we are thinking Greenland boat low volume). But there are larger and smaller versions of many boats, so maybe your definition of low volume is not the same as what we are thinking.
Your profile says beginner and that you have a Tarpon. What about the Tarpon do you not like and what an improved experience out of? That will help us understand a bit better what to suggest.
Also, the beginner category is always a flag. There is a saying that a=we are all just between swims. If you switch to a sit inside kayak, make sure you know how to get back in to the kayak on the water when your turn to swim comes up. Depending on the abilities you have, may require special gear or processes.
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Posted by: Kudzu on Jun-25-13 12:02 PM (EST)
I lucked into a used (smaller) Alchemy for $600 maybe two years ago. I wasn't happy with the cockpit so I pulled out the stiffening hardware and moved the seat back quite a bit. I think it would fit all your requirements... except I have never weighed it.
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Yes except for cockpit|
Posted by: WaterBird on Jun-25-13 6:23 PM (EST)
The Delta's cockpit is 18 x 32.5, which is medium sized. However, it has a lot of depth at the front of the cockpit---13.5"---which aids exit. But as was mentioned above, low volume and large cockpit are opposites. The Delta 12.10 is a very high volume kayak. For some people that's a plus, for others not. Maybe OP can say more about what low volume means and why it's needed.
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Also, Huricane Tracer 165|
Posted by: Kocho on Jun-25-13 2:41 PM (EST)
The Tracer and the Tampico might also fit the bill. Either can usually be had under $1,000 in very good condition and should be around 50lb...
WS Zephyr 155 comes at under 55lb (I had one and it is closer to 50 than to 60lb in actual weight) and has a spacious cockpit but is low volume overall. $600-$900 used is what I would expect to pay for one.
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Need to define "larger cockpit"|
Posted by: WaterBird on Jun-25-13 6:01 PM (EST)
If you describe your height, weight, and functional limitations we will try to advise you on cockpit size.
General sizes for TRANSITIONAL cockpits:
16 x 30: Tiny. This is more for a sea kayak.
17 x 32: about average but too small for quite a few people
18 x 33: still in the medium category
19 x 34: large
19 x 35: XL
20 X 38: XXL, and now you have a problem with water entering the cockpit
20 x 38+: Humongous
If you only have a problem with flexibility, here's how to figure out your cockpit size: Sit on the floor with your back against the wall. Lay a tape measure alongside your legs. Bend your knee to bring your foot back toward you. Measure the distance from the wall to the end of your foot. Add one to two inches. That's how much room you need to be able to clear the cockpit coaming with your foot, i.e., the distance from the seat to the front of the cockpit.
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Demo, Demo,Demo, Demo, Demo|
Posted by: DUUJ on Jun-25-13 7:42 PM (EST)
If you can find a local shop that demo's boats, try out as many as you can. If there is anywhere near you to rent, try that too. You're much more likely to find the perfect craft for you, if it's your backside that finds it and sits in it for a while.
Enjoy the journey.
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Posted by: Kudzu on Jun-26-13 4:35 PM (EST)
And if you like a boat and it's a bit too confining, ask the dealer if they'll move the seat back for you. Or ask if they'll tell you how to do it yourself. I've done this to most every boat I've owned. It makes a big difference.
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Thanks for the replies|
Posted by: dstmartin on Jun-26-13 7:59 PM (EST)
Thanks for all your replies. It gives me a lot more to think about :)
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Posted by: ppine on Jun-27-13 4:23 PM (EST)
Change the first criterion to over 15 feet.
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