I am looking for some guidance on canoe seat angles for kneeling. I find most canted seats are installed at too shallow an angle and the front edge tends to dig into the backs of my thighs, or I slide forward and it digs into my buttocks--not a comfortable situation.
It is kind of a hassle to be experimenting and cutting new drops all the time for different angles, so I'm trying to make this as easy as possible.
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Posted by: thebob.com on Jun-13-13 11:16 AM (EST)
Posted by: pblanc on Jun-13-13 11:24 AM (EST)
You may be a candidate for a "Conk"|
Posted by: clarion on Jun-13-13 11:31 AM (EST)
Check out the Conk contoured seats from Hemlock Canoes. Very comfy and light.
Second the Conk seat|
Posted by: Glenn_MacGrady on Jun-13-13 3:16 PM (EST)
The cheapo standard cane seats from Ed's or Essex are hamstring torture devices. Get a Conk seat.
Thank you all|
Posted by: Canuka on Jun-13-13 2:56 PM (EST)
I suspected as much, but I was hoping there was some "magic average" or rule of thumb out there. I have also thought about the wrap-around seat pad, but haven't tried it yet.
Unfortunately it does just take |
Posted by: deuce on Jun-13-13 3:06 PM (EST)
trial and error. I actually got lucky with mine and got it how I wanted it on the first try, but it was truly luck. The front is an inch lower than the back (9.5" and 8.5" as I recall). I also second the inflatable seat pad. My buddy lent me one of his from Wenonah and I was amazed at the difference it made. They don't look like much, but I'm a believer.
A little bit more......................|
Posted by: thebob.com on Jun-13-13 3:22 PM (EST)
Posted by: rblturtle on Jun-13-13 3:15 PM (EST)
I have changed the angle and hieght of all my solos-sometime several times. It varies with -upper leg length,knee pad thickness,seat design,and butt shape. It also depends on how much weight you want on your knees in your relaxed position. When I get a boat and discover the seat is not what I want(always),I remove the drops and use temporary multiple spacers front and rear to try hight/angle.I then paddle it for a while and readjust if necessary. I find that me and most people "graduate" to a higher kneeling seat after getting farmiliar with their boat. I always intend to make nice drops after getting things dialed in,but rarly do! I have done this for many other people-it's not hard. You just need some dowels or such and extra various length screws.
Check em out.............|
Posted by: thebob.com on Jun-13-13 3:27 PM (EST)
Canoe seat pads from Cooke Custom Sewing.
It might be possible to hang the seat |
Posted by: g2d on Jun-13-13 3:09 PM (EST)
in a way that it would pivot through a small range, and adjust to whichever half of your ass is more prominent on a particular day.
Right! Pedestal Is The Way To Go|
Posted by: clydehedlund on Jun-13-13 9:33 PM (EST)
And with foam, even better.
In the UK, prospector canoes are|
Posted by: g2d on Jun-13-13 10:01 PM (EST)
rather popular, and kneeling thwarts are too, because paddlers like to heel their boats to get closer to their paddling side. Taller paddlers like me can reach and heel from a pedestal, but I can see why they do as they do. Some prospector hulls are 35 to 37 inches wide at the center. I'm starting to think about a fore-aft padded plank on which one could kneel, with knee supports so that when shifting from one paddling side to the other, one could lift the knees a bit, shifting the knee on one's paddling side close to that side, and maybe the other knee somewhat toward the center.
Inquiring mind wants to know........|
Posted by: thebob.com on Jun-14-13 10:54 AM (EST)
I've put pedestals in five canoes, and |
Posted by: g2d on Jun-15-13 3:52 PM (EST)
three of those were *not* whitewater boats.
Maybe it's just me?|
Posted by: thebob.com on Jun-16-13 1:04 AM (EST)
In rec canoes, on flatwater, I kneel on a full sized Bell, or Cooke Custom Sewing kneeling pad. My feet are under the seat, and my seat is always canted down in front. The seat is usually as low as it can go & still offer enought clearance to get my big feet out from under the seat without too much hassle. Can easily move into a sitting position to kneeling & vice versa in a matter of seconds.
I too am 6'4" with big feet|
Posted by: Canuka on Jun-17-13 11:16 AM (EST)
(size 13) and I weigh 230 lbs. So your seat setup may be right for me! I have a Cooke "T" kneeling pad and I love it.
I think as you|
Posted by: kayamedic on Jun-15-13 8:59 PM (EST)
I like to paddle sometimes in a transverse kneeling position and move around a lot. I do paddle moving water occasionally backwards and find sideways orientation helpful in watching where I go.
Patrick Moore Reverie Canoe|
Posted by: clydehedlund on Jun-16-13 3:21 AM (EST)
Came stock with a pedestal. All I need is a small pond to practice Zen on the water. Yes, when the bay is flat, I'm out there also, and have practiced Capistrano Flips and deep water re-mounts on it out in the surf. The Reverie is basically your general all around flat water recreational canoe for the novice or advanced canoeist wanting to develop or maintain their paddling skills.
My Blackhawk Nighthawk|
Posted by: thebob.com on Jun-17-13 7:12 PM (EST)
My Nighthawk came with a pedestal(stock)mounted in it too.
I was wondering that too|
Posted by: Guideboatguy on Jun-17-13 7:55 PM (EST)
Being "locked in", or "one with the boat" is not the best seating method for all paddling situations. Just the opposite is closer to the truth, and don't forget that you won't EVER see distance racers use pedestals. I kneel nearly 100-percent of the time, but if there was only one place where my feet could go, or if I couldn't comfortably shift my butt a few inches one way or the other, I wouldn't be happy in most paddling situations.
Ditto clydehedlund's....a pedestal, once|
Posted by: bigspencer on Jun-15-13 11:42 AM (EST)
you get the height and dimensions right, I fell in love with. If you go this way it's nice to glue to a foam-padded mini-floor that can help with additional knee pads and optional ankle blocks...so take your time and go high in your initial measuring, and we're bigger in the butt than we think as well(duh), so make room.
My most recent solo|
Posted by: baldpaddler on Jun-15-13 8:37 PM (EST)
has an 5/8 forwards cant. I normally use a foot brace but like to tuck my legs under the seat occasionally .
not sure what your paddling style is but|
Posted by: pagayeur on Jun-17-13 4:42 PM (EST)
I personally find pedestals confining in terms of being free to change body angles for fine tuning maneuvers and forward travel. As Kayakmedic mentioned earlier this can increase effeciency greatly through increased mechanical advantage. My solution is a 3" or 4" kneeling thwart. This allows contact with the butt and not under the thighs. It also allows more foot room especially when entering and exititng. One can be more comfortable as it allows for shifting around vs a pedestal which locks in the legs. HTH
Posted by: CEWilson on Jun-17-13 8:10 PM (EST)
Some early BlackHawks were designed by Pat Moore and featured pedestals. Phil put "sugarloaf" pedestals in the NightHawk and Kitty Hawk after Par left to do the Reveries on his own.