looking to upgrade to a touring/sea yak
Posted by: kray416376 on Jun-10-13 3:39 PM (EST) Category: Kayaks
we are relatively new paddlers. husband about 2 years and me about 1. we tried cheap entry level sit ins to start to with but then upgraded to a wide stable rec boat since we were mostly paddling rivers with current. although we still enjoy the leisurely downstream float on the "barges" we are venturing into open water areas and eventually some ocean. we learned the hard way that 30"+ fairly flat rec boats are rubbish on flat still water :(
we are looking to bite the bullet and get a much nicer boat that will go much faster with less effort as our hobby evolves to larger bodies of water.
we have narrowed it down to 3 that we found good deals on used. keep in mind that neither of us are petite so comfort is a factor, but we also want to be able to cover distance efficiently and keep a certain amount of stabilty.
our picks are:
16' necky eskia
17' necky elaho
16' hurricane tracer
thoughts, opinions or advice?
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Posted by: willi_h2o on Jun-10-13 4:12 PM (EST)
Posted by: Waterbird on Jun-10-13 9:21 PM (EST)
may crack if you hit a rock with quite a bit of force in white water, but it is perfectly suited to the poster's uses. I've paddled thermoformed kayaks for the last five years and have had no durability problems whatsoever. Unfortunately, Hurricane's plastic and/or construction method tends to be a bit soft, but I haven't paddled the Tracer. Test the plastic by pushing down in front of and behind the cockpit and see what you think.
a little feedback on two of the boats|
Posted by: willowleaf on Jun-10-13 4:45 PM (EST)
I rented a Necky Eskia a few years ago on a trip to British Columbia and used it for some coastal and fiord paddling. It was a little wide for my taste but certainly a comfortable and decent handling boat. The outfitter also had the Elahos in their fleet and I paddled one around a sheltered inlet for a while just to get a feel for it (I was planning on buying a hard shell sea kayak in the next year and was taking every chance I could to try various models.) The Elaho was more impressive to me performance wise -- note the Elaho is a couple of inches narrower (than the Eskia) and has a slightly smaller cockpit, though still a reasonably sized keyhole type. I can see why the Eskia is popular with outfitters -- very durable and stable for a touring boat. Both Necky's struck me as heavier than I would want to wrestle with as well -- the 15' Venture Easky 15LV I eventually bought after all my test paddling is 15 lbs lighter than either. The Tracer you are considering is about the right weight (46 lbs) though I see somebody has warned that the Trylon plastic may be vulnerable to damage. Based on the specs that would probably be one I would prefer to the Neckys.
Posted by: benglert on Jun-10-13 7:01 PM (EST)
What are your sizes?|
Posted by: Yanoer on Jun-10-13 10:31 PM (EST)
Your heights & weights will help guide advice.
Posted by: kray416376 on Jun-10-13 11:33 PM (EST)
male 5'9 190 lb
If you're near central IL, .............|
Posted by: Yanoer on Jun-10-13 11:39 PM (EST)
The female should try out my kevlar Perception Shadow 16.5, which is in near new condition and could be bought for about the price of one of the listed boats new.
boats and price|
Posted by: kray416376 on Jun-11-13 7:49 AM (EST)
the three that boats that are listed were being considered as they are for sell used in the $700-900 range. we arent able to spend more than that at this time and were excited about the deal we were getting. if we are buying new, we would need to stay under $1,000.
Posted by: Waterbird on Jun-11-13 1:18 PM (EST)
In your price range, you will be looking at rotomolded plastic, or possibly a used Hurricane. If you don't mind the softness of the Hurricane plastic, go ahead and buy it.
Softness of Hurricane plastic?|
Posted by: Yanoer on Jun-11-13 1:43 PM (EST)
Seems pretty scuff resistant to me.
length and uses|
Posted by: kray416376 on Jun-11-13 2:20 PM (EST)
we have actually tried out a few different things and know that we want to stay in the 14-16 range. i am looking at 14.5 15 primarily. husband is looking more 16 maybe 17 since he will do more overnight trips.
Let us know what you think of the Tracer|
Posted by: Waterbird on Jun-11-13 7:58 PM (EST)
I've done a lot of kayak camping in kayaks that were 12'10", 14'6", and 15'6". The hatch volume of those three kayaks was in the reverse order, with the 12.10 having the largest volume and the 15.5 having the smallest volume. It is very possible to camp with a 13'-14' kayak. You definitely don't need 17' to camp. I could camp for a week in my 12.10.
Posted by: Waterbird on Jun-11-13 7:49 PM (EST)
Stiffness depends on the thickness of the plastic as well as stiffening deck architecture. Eddyline is the only thermoformed manufacturer I know of that builds stiffness into the deck architecture, and it makes a big difference.
Here you go|
Posted by: Waterbird on Jun-11-13 8:48 PM (EST)
Posted by: kray416376 on Jun-12-13 10:37 AM (EST)
nice.. too bad im not closer.
Just an example|
Posted by: Waterbird on Jun-12-13 7:45 PM (EST)
of what you can find with patience and a willingness to travel a bit.
TRACER WOULD BE A GOOD CHOICE|
Posted by: scupperfrank on Jun-11-13 11:48 PM (EST)
Posted by: kray416376 on Jun-12-13 10:31 AM (EST)
The Tampico 140S is VERY straight/|
Posted by: Yanoer on Jun-12-13 8:04 PM (EST)
hard tracking and doesn't turn easily.
Turning the tampico|
Posted by: kray416376 on Jun-13-13 8:34 AM (EST)
Yea ive paddled the 135 and it took a wide girth to turn it, but so does my perception sot, which is basically a 31" barge :) so im used to it.
Posted by: WaterBird on Jun-13-13 2:21 PM (EST)
Length - what's in the water matters....|
Posted by: Yanoer on Jun-13-13 5:22 PM (EST)
not overall length.
140S and 140L|
Posted by: RavenWing on Jun-13-13 2:41 PM (EST)
not sure what you mean by metal plates. To my knowledge there are no metal plates inside any Hurricane cockpit. Could you give more info?
140S & L|
Posted by: kray416376 on Jun-13-13 3:04 PM (EST)
i think i have seen them refered to as hip plates.
140S and 140L|
Posted by: RavenWing on Jun-13-13 5:15 PM (EST)
thanks for the post. This is one situation where a picture is worth 2,000 words :)
Posted by: kray416376 on Jun-14-13 9:44 PM (EST)
husband just got home with his new tracer and i fit in it much better than i thought i would :)
Tracer cockpit fit is very similar to |
Posted by: Yanoer on Jun-14-13 10:55 PM (EST)
Tampico 140S, IIRC from Canoecopia last year.
Once you each have a boat...|
Posted by: Celia on Jun-15-13 8:47 AM (EST)
Go to a local pond after viewing videos or find an outfitter who can work with you on assisted rescues - as in on the water, not going to shore. With two paddlers and boats that have air in each end, a capsize should be a total non-event. It will leave you both a lot more comfortable, both because you got by the first capsize and because now you know how to handle it.
i think i made a choice...|
Posted by: kray416376 on Jun-15-13 7:22 PM (EST)
i actually didnt care for the tracer once i tried it. the tippiness didnt bother me so much, i just felt it was harder to maneuver than i wanted and i wasnt greatly impressed by the tracking on calm water. i had tried the tampico and tsunami just prior and they just felt better.
Posted by: harry0244 on Jun-16-13 8:01 AM (EST)
If you can, try the boats before you put down the $$. A trial of several hours on some bigger water means a lot more than a few minutes near the dock.