Whitewater to touring ... need advice
Posted by: old_user on May-20-13 6:58 PM (EST) Category: Kayaks
I'm trading my whitewater for a touring kayak and have someone offering an old necky looksha. I have a few concerns which I'm hoping to get help with. I figured I would ask here before calling Necky.
My concerns are, no forward bulkhead, high seat, no knee braces. Knee braces concern me a lot. I've read that boats which don't have forward bulkheads are not good for ocean exploration but I don't quite understand why. What is the recovery for a wet exit at sea and how would this boat work? Although the boat looks very stable and I'm used to whitewater I don't like to get myself into near death experiences any longer.
From what I can surmise it seems I'd be limited to lakes and flat rivers if I swap out my whitewater kayak for this.
Any comments would be appreciated.
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Posted by: Waterbird on May-20-13 7:33 PM (EST)
the importance of two bulkheads on a touring kayak is about a 15.
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Posted by: edzep on May-20-13 7:38 PM (EST)
in a touring or sea kayak, you need that front bulkhead. The hatch and storage are the bonus that comes with extra water displacement/flotation. If you go for a swim, a boat without a front bulkhead will not be recoverable, except by extreme measures (like, assistance from a power boat). It will float like a needle, with the front end down, and the rear (bulkheaded) end, up.
I wouldn't touch that, unless you are ..|
Posted by: Jackl on May-20-13 7:38 PM (EST)
planning on putting in a front bulkhead, or loading the front with flotation.
Posted by: Waterbird on May-20-13 8:00 PM (EST)
on NH/Maine Craigslist
Posted by: Peter-CA on May-20-13 8:18 PM (EST)
Seems you have the answer from the other posts on the risks for no front bulkheads - the lack of flotation. A sign of how important this is is that just about every touring kayak manufacturer puts in front bulkheads, even though it costs them more and there is no law requiring it.
Posted by: natehanson on May-20-13 9:33 PM (EST)
What's the WW boat you are trading?
Posted by: emanoh on May-20-13 11:18 PM (EST)
You can find better and better suited used touring boats. Bulkheads a priority.
I got a Necky Looksha Sport way back |
Posted by: ezwater on May-21-13 12:13 AM (EST)
about '98, in an Olympic ww team auction. I paid only $550 for what was essentially a demo.
Posted by: old_user on May-21-13 9:45 AM (EST)
Thanks for the advice and links. Lots of clarity from the posts and links.
Lots of good boats listed...|
Posted by: johnysmoke on May-21-13 9:51 AM (EST)
is the trade critical?|
Posted by: slushpaddler on May-21-13 10:03 AM (EST)
What I mean is, people are suggesting you shop around, which is good advice, but maybe you don't have the funds and a trade is the only way to get yourself into a touring kayak. In that case, I'd paddle it, try rolling it, make sure you're comfortable, and plan on purchasing a float bag for the bow. Flotation is critical but I believe Mariner still makes sea kayaks with no bulkheads.
"near death experiences"|
Posted by: Dr_Disco on May-21-13 3:01 PM (EST)
As someone who began as a WW paddler and still does it but added sea kayaking I would have to say that sea kayaking is more dangerous than WW kayaking. Of course I never paddled class IV and I regularly paddle the Great Lakes. You can get into some real near death experiences on, say, Lake Superior, if a storm comes up. There are lots of unpredictable elements to sea kayaking whereas in WW you know what you are up against and can walk around rapids if you need to.
Posted by: old_user on May-21-13 3:23 PM (EST)
Distance from land|
Posted by: Celia on May-21-13 4:29 PM (EST)
Makes a huge difference. There was a story in a Sea Kayaker magazine issue, last year I think, about a trip that had significant problems. One of the issues - and hardly the only one - was a WW paddler who had underestimated the effect of not being able to predictably get to land when things went off the rails.
I was surprised to hear that...|
Posted by: slushpaddler on May-21-13 3:59 PM (EST)
...the first time I heard it, which was from another whitewater convert.
I haven't crossed over to a real degree,|
Posted by: ezwater on May-21-13 4:15 PM (EST)
but I agree that open water and ocean surf conditions pose challenges that can't be dealt with as predictably as most of what I have faced in my 40 year whitewater career.