Thigh support idea
Posted by: Waterbird on May-16-13 10:39 PM (EST) Category: Kayaks
I tried out a thigh support idea and found it worked very well. I cut a pool noodle long enough that it would curve out a few inches in front of the seat. I cut another piece a few inches shorter and taped the two pieces one on top of the other, with the shorter piece on the bottom. I stuffed the two long ends securely under the preexisting hip pads---nothing else was needed to secure them (but your kayak is probably different so YMMV).
I was surprised at how much comfort this simple solution added. The key is to use two sections so the final product is several inches high.
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Posted by: carldelo on May-16-13 11:32 PM (EST)
I'm not understanding the set-up from the description. If you have a photo, please link to it, as I have an abiding interest in thigh bracing to reduce numb-leg syndrome - thanks in advance...
Sorry, no photos|
Posted by: Waterbird on May-17-13 1:32 PM (EST)
I'm terrible at posting photos.
OK, got it...|
Posted by: carldelo on May-17-13 3:10 PM (EST)
I understand the setup now, I may give it a try soon as I have some cut noodles lying around and they will probably wedge in one of my boats in the manner you suggest.
Does it affect pedaling ?|
Posted by: Celia on May-17-13 7:04 AM (EST)
As in for torso rotation. When I pedal, the pushing leg goes flatter than the other. From the read, it seems like having both propped tightly would inhibit that. But maybe I missed something.
Posted by: magooch on May-17-13 7:57 AM (EST)
I used to use a small inflatible boat fender. However, the real answer is a lot more time in the cockpit. Eventually the need for such devices goes away.
More time in the cockpit, eh?|
Posted by: Waterbird on May-17-13 1:20 PM (EST)
I can say without a doubt that my time in the cockpit has caused or added significantly to fairly substantial anatomical problems. First you've got the knee being forced down and out, putting pressure on the hip. Goodbye hip joint. Then you've got the hip flexor muscle deciding to shrink in length and stay tight forever. That's the muscle that goes from the top of the thigh into the lower back. As it retracts it causes considerable pain in the lower back.
Posted by: Waterbird on May-17-13 1:47 PM (EST)
would depend on the depth of your cockpit. My cockpit is a bit too low for me. I removed the thigh braces which allows one leg to be up and the other down for relief.
Posted by: Celia on May-17-13 2:27 PM (EST)
Object is not to flatten your leg|
Posted by: Waterbird on May-18-13 6:08 PM (EST)
It's to support the leg naturally in a way that relieves tension from the ankle to the thigh and into the lower back.
So are you not pedaling?|
Posted by: Celia on May-18-13 11:46 PM (EST)
Not pedalling, no|
Posted by: Waterbird on May-19-13 11:47 AM (EST)
The problem with the straig legs and knees, for some people, is that the muscles of the calf and thigh are connected up with the muscles of the lower back, as with the thigh flexor, which runs right into the lower back.
Most people don't stretch properly|
Posted by: Guideboatguy on May-19-13 1:51 PM (EST)
Posted by: jsmarch on May-22-13 2:09 PM (EST)
I wouldn't blame the Lotus position. I've spent years cumulatively sitting Burmese or half-lotus, including a month long meditation retreat in April with 10-14 hours of sitting meditation each day. No hip problems so far...
One size does NOT fit all|
Posted by: guideboatguy on May-22-13 2:34 PM (EST)
everyone is different|
Posted by: slushpaddler on May-17-13 6:04 PM (EST)
...but the only thing that works for me is keeping my legs moving and changing position. trying to keep my knees together whenever possible, pulling out of the brace position/knees on underdeck/feet in footpedals. I've tried propping up my thighs but it only seemed to delay the discomfort.
Are we talking sea kayak?|
Posted by: Dr_Disco on May-19-13 12:07 PM (EST)
Assuming yes, the best thigh support in my experience is an inflatable paddle float. By inflating it to the correct amount you get a support that allows pedaling. You can push with one leg while you flatten it and simultaneously raise the other leg. The paddle float adjusts in response by becoming bigger on the end under the raised leg and smaller on the other end. When both legs are at rest they should not be tight up against the thigh braces. In addition your seat should be positioned so that your butt rotates on the seat as you rotate your torso. You can also switch to the legs in the center (still on the pegs but in the vertical position like that used by racers) if conditions allow. Legs in the center will seem tippy at first, especially if you don't rotate your torso, but you will adjust quickly. Remember the best brace is a forward stroke.
I used a Sealine cushion|
Posted by: just1more on May-19-13 11:50 PM (EST)
I love it as i can inflate/deflate in a second to fit me for the particular day and even in different kayaks. I love its adjustability but not the price.
Posted by: Waterbird on May-20-13 1:34 PM (EST)
I think I saw one for $60 the other day. It looked a bit short. Pool noodles $1 each. :-)
I get the price difference|
Posted by: Dr_Disco on May-20-13 6:05 PM (EST)
but you get what you pay for. A two chamber paddle float does cost a little less than $50. But you get the ability to adjust it on the fly and the conforming to your legs while paddling. And compared to the Sealine you can also use it as a paddle float (self rescues, support for injured or ill paddler when you have to tow them, etc.) So YMMV but I still think the paddle float version is superior, especially if you are going to carry a paddle float anyway (you are, aren't you?).
pool noodles are an annual expenditure|
Posted by: slushpaddler on May-21-13 7:44 AM (EST)
If you keep them in the sunlight, maybe even biannual.
What I did|
Posted by: dajarr on May-20-13 7:04 PM (EST)
was glue 3" thick foam in front of the seat. It raises the thighs and stays put. Another thing that really helped was loosening the backband so that I can move around and stretch freely. I also do a fair amount of stretching on a regular basis.