-- Last Updated: May-09-13 4:16 PM EST --
Just wanted to show off the fruits of my labor. Spent the last 5 or so weeks breathing new life in to this classic 1974 Old Town Slolom boat. It's not quite complete yet. I just need to add the deck bungies and a bulk head behind the seat and repaint the hull since it has a few rough spots I want to fix in my original paint job. I bought this boat last summer and added a skeg and it proved to be an awesome creek boat. Now I is set up to do some longer distance and overnight trips. I did a test paddle down Tonawanda Creek, and managed 1.55 miles at an easy pace in under 30 minutes. Taking it for a 10 mile paddle this Saturday.
The end result:
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Posted by: edzep on May-09-13 6:41 PM (EST)
I like the paint job. Float bags up front? (when not jamming it full of camping gear)
Posted by: WPFix on May-09-13 8:24 PM (EST)
No. I do not have any float bags right now. the plan is to put another hatch in the very front, and add a bulkhead between that and the front hatch, just in front of the foot pegs. Maybe throw in insulating foam up there and make it a cooler, lol. Some freeze packs and a 6 pack and I'm good to go!
Posted by: jhb8426 on May-09-13 11:20 PM (EST)
Nice, but not a slalom boat. |
Posted by: ezwater on May-11-13 1:25 PM (EST)
It's kind of like a whitewater downriver racing boat.
As best as I can tell...|
Posted by: WPFix on May-12-13 10:16 AM (EST)
It is an old town. There was a thread where someone was looking for a better boat for shallow water. Someone posted a craigslist add, and it had this exact boat listed as an old town. Now whoever posted that boat could be mistaken, but it is the only other one of these boats I have ever seen. Regardless, I have modified it so much, it really doesn't matter what it used to be, lol.
Wait until you try a modern ww kayak. |
Posted by: ezwater on May-12-13 9:35 PM (EST)
It'll turn on a dime and give you a dollar's change.
Posted by: WPFix on May-12-13 10:21 PM (EST)
And I could be wrong. Who knows. And honestly, does it really matter? It is nothing like it originally was anyway, lol. I'm just happy to have a nice boat. We had about 40 kayaks at my outdoors meetup paddle this weekend, and everyone told me mine was the best looking one there. Given, pretty much everyone was in a rec-boat of some kind. 90% plastic boats. So I guess it wasn't a hard beauty contest to win, lol.
nah, it doesn't matter|
Posted by: daggermat on May-13-13 11:47 AM (EST)
Posted by: WPFix on May-13-13 1:23 PM (EST)
Yeah, you might want to remove the |
Posted by: ezwater on May-13-13 12:21 PM (EST)
skeg. With the right technique, you simply will not need it. A skeg makes turning harder on creeks and twisty rivers. It's useful mainly on open water.
I am a bit of a novice, so....|
Posted by: WPFix on May-13-13 1:26 PM (EST)
I really need the skeg to keep it in a strait line. I tried without it, and it liked to spin out on me. Nothing I could do would correct it until it finished whatever type of turn it wanted to do and slowed down. It does make turning slightly more difficult that originally, but this also allows me to keep it in a strait line. Like I said before, it gets me on the water, and it out performs all of the boats my friends have. Given, they are almost exclusively EMS and Dicks Sporting Goods bought boats, but I am proud of it.
Posted by: daggermat on May-13-13 2:33 PM (EST)
you'll look back and chuckle. I stand up and pole up rapids I could barely paddle down 14 years ago. You have no knowlege, but a good attitude. Get out and paddle, play around with stroke technique, experiment. Hopefully you'll find some experienced people to learn from.
More on skegs, tracking, and experience|
Posted by: guideboatguy on May-17-13 12:32 PM (EST)
Make sure it isn't trimmed down at the |
Posted by: ezwater on May-13-13 6:40 PM (EST)
nose. That would make the stern more inclined to spin.
Posted by: WPFix on May-13-13 7:08 PM (EST)
trimmed down...bow heavyNM|
Posted by: daggermat on May-14-13 5:00 AM (EST)
Reread this post...|
Posted by: WPFix on May-15-13 8:35 AM (EST)
G2D, about the questionable manufacture. I will do a little more research with the possible leads you gave me. The older gentleman I bought it from said he had it in storage for about 20 years in his garage and that it was "a British white water kayak". Before I put the skeg on it, it turned phenominally, however it would randomly spin out from the rear. I tried shifting what little weight I had in it at the time to the far back (shoes, dry bag with smokes and a towel and cell phone, waterbottle, ect) and it did not seem to make any difference.
It *might* be "slalom" after all...|
Posted by: Kocho on May-15-13 3:45 PM (EST)
Looking at page 83 in the PDF version of the book here:
You're absolutely wrong. No boat has |
Posted by: ezwater on May-15-13 5:53 PM (EST)
ever been designed for slalom with that shape and conformation.
for newbies that want to learn|
Posted by: daggermat on May-15-13 6:21 PM (EST)
Check the year and the photo '60s|
Posted by: Kocho on May-15-13 6:45 PM (EST)
I know very well what a slalom boat looks like today. I also know what a creek boat looks like today. Recall how a creek boat used to look decades ago - nothing like today's ones, but in their day they were used to run creeks...
that's what I'm saying|
Posted by: daggermat on May-16-13 4:58 AM (EST)
'60's slalom boats were undoubtedly a lot less radical than they are today.
Did you notice the lifted ends and |
Posted by: ezwater on May-15-13 6:43 PM (EST)
marked rocker on that "page 83" kayak? Markedly different from the OP's kayak, where the ends are NOT lifted and rocker is low. So in '65, they already knew how a slalom boat had to be shaped, and the '74 "OT" shows no awareness of such design principles whatsoever.
Hard to tell...|
Posted by: Kocho on May-15-13 7:11 PM (EST)
That's a bad angle for assessing rocker.|
Posted by: ezwater on May-15-13 11:27 PM (EST)
But if that were the only photo available to me, I would never expect that kayak to have enough rocker to be used even in the cruising class of a weekend slalom race. By contrast, the "page 83" kayak clearly has lifted ends and pretty good rocker for a boat raced in 1965.
Posted by: WPFix on May-16-13 11:00 AM (EST)
I still don't know what I have... lol. Regardless of what it is, it's a fun to paddle boat, and gets the job done for me. I really enjoyed working on it, and I plan to do more to it. In a couple years I plan to try my hand at a stich and glue model, and this was a great warm up for that.
You have a fast ww river cruiser. |
Posted by: ezwater on May-16-13 7:48 PM (EST)
A few are still made today.
Incidentally, if you are of relatively |
Posted by: ezwater on May-16-13 10:19 PM (EST)
normal weight and height, you can probably buy a used slalom kayak of recent vintage for, say, $600 or so.
Posted by: kybishop on May-16-13 7:21 AM (EST)
I think you did a real nice job. There is a lot of pleasure in using something you have spent time and work on, really rewarding. Enjoy it and keep paddling.
Posted by: daggermat on May-16-13 11:13 AM (EST)
you could get together with Ness and her group, they're from that area. As a matter of fact, I'm headed to N. Tonawanda in a few weeks for a concert (primus), and may be meeting up with Ness and some paddling friends of hers, just for a get together.
Posted by: WPFix on May-16-13 12:02 PM (EST)
I am always looking for new people to paddle with. I am a member of BOM (Buffalo Outdoors Meetup) on meetup.com, and we do alot of trips, but I have heard there are a few other paddling groups in the area. I am actually in East Amherst, a few miles north and east of Tonawanda. About a mile east of the cofluence of Tonawanda Creek and the Erie Canal.
Does Ness and her group|
Posted by: WPFix on May-17-13 8:28 AM (EST)
have a group name, or is it something more informal?
pretty sure it's informal.|
Posted by: daggermat on May-17-13 8:32 AM (EST)
She's on this site from time to time. I'm a FB friend, and will let her know you're interested. e-mail me if you want, or if you find her on here, you could e-mail her. Mixed group it appears, yaks and canoes, looks like a fun gang. They've been heading into the WW direction as well. I may be paddling when I go up in a couple weeks, but will most likely hike the gorge before the show.
Posted by: guideboatguy on May-17-13 12:43 PM (EST)
Zoar Valley is one group NM|
Posted by: daggermat on May-17-13 8:54 PM (EST)
Soon as I get back...|
Posted by: WPFix on May-17-13 9:32 PM (EST)
I will shoot you an e-mail soon as I get back. I am busy packing for a last minute trip to MI for a Daddy/Daughter dance tomorrow. The mixed group thing sounds a lot like BOM. I wonder if she is a member, there are over 2000 members in the online group.