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  Canoe racers: I have a question
  Posted by: MCImes on May-02-13 9:56 PM (EST)
   Category: unassigned 

I bought a 1988 Crozier J200 over the winter. Ive paddled it 4 times now, and while I love it, it turns like a cargo ship. The stern only breaks when you're leaned over within a couple degrees of the ultimate stability point. I see a 1996 J-202 for sale and am tempted to trade boats.

My question is, does anyone know the difference between a J202 and a J203? To me, both have the tucked in profile at the paddling station but the bottom profile looks slightly different to me. The J202 bottom looks slightly more round?

Does anyone know of a page that explains the difference between a J-200,1,2,3? Or more specifically, does anyone know the difference between a 202 and 203?

Or conversely, should I just spend more seat time and get comfortable near the edge of final stability?


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  I have a J-200
  Posted by: jackl on May-03-13 5:51 AM (EST)
I can't answer your question, but every time I ask about turning the answer I get is: "Lean and pray" !!

Jack L
  Posted by: canoeracer on May-03-13 6:38 AM (EST)
J 202 never caught on with the racers. It has a lot of rocker turns very easy. 202 is not as fast J 200. 1988 J 200 is a fast boat but it wide where the paddler sits. In 1989 the gunnels where pulled in which made the 200 a much better boat. J 200 is still a competitive boat today.

Bruce Barton
  I was loading the J-200 on the truck..
  Posted by: jackl on May-10-13 12:55 PM (EST)
this morning and noticed that it is now 27 years old.
It's kind of like Old Man river and myself. We all just keep rolling along!

Jack L
  Whats a respectable speed?
  Posted by: mcimes on May-06-13 5:02 PM (EST)
Thats exactally what I was looking for. Thanks Bruce.

Jack, I took your advice and will just be uncomfortable near a swim at any moment. I noticed that the seat on my boat is 1-2" higher than on my last solo which probably contributed to some of the instability. I sanded down the seat risers and removed a layer of foam, lowering the seat by about a half inch.

Now, it feels a little more stable. My question is, do you think its worth me buying a new sliding seat assembly that is an inch or 2 lower?

Im thinking about it because I want a sliding footrest (currently its fixed). I would need to cut out the seat mount and install a new one if I want to lower the seat anymore. Im tempted but think a new assembly will be close to $200. In anyone's sage opinion, does a lower seat help stability that much? Or should I just trust that Everett knew what he was doing and that Im still green.

Lastly, I went out for a paddle yesterday in my J200. I went 7.5 miles or so and averaged 4.815 mph over a 105 minute paddle. My question is, whats a respectable cruising speed sustained for 1-2 hours? I know top racers can do close to 7mph, but thats what I averaged down stream with a 1.6mph current pushing me =( Just train more? what do you think I could realistically aim for as an end of summer goal?
  6 MPH
  Posted by: plaidpaddler on May-06-13 7:29 PM (EST)
6 mph for the end of this summer, 6.5 mph for next spring.
  That would be awesome
  Posted by: Guideboatguy on May-10-13 11:41 PM (EST)
6.5 mph is roughly the hull speed for that length of boat. I don't think many people can reach hull speed in a general-purpose canoe, so the performance of this boat must be pretty sweet!
   6.5 MPH is the slower paddlers in
  Posted by: jackl on May-11-13 7:13 PM (EST)
C-1 racing canoes.
I can attest. I averaged 6.4 in todays race and was last.

Jack L


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